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In the other Reeds SX thread , someone posted the email to the guy who is 'trying to shut it down. I sent him a e-mail asking whats up. Well maybe not those exact words and he replied!
I didn't know I had a plume or that he doesn't like to be called a goof ball.
Todd
I note your rude and uncomplementary remarks. However, there are a few aspects of this matter I would like to outline and clarify, in the hope that in future, you maybe a little more informed before jumping to conclusions and injudiciously labelling people with non-complimentary titles, and not having the gumption to fully identify yourself, but to hide under the non de` plume of 'Todd.'
Don't you think it presumptuous for the Stadium to sell so many tickets prior to ascertaining whether the DA has been approved or not??? I don't believe that the Council or I can be held responsible for that happening.
The processing of this DA is no different to any building DA, whereby a building cannot commence until it is approved by Council. It appears that the Stadium does not seem to understand or want to understand the process involved.
As you may or may not be aware, being a Crown Application, Council does not have the power to refuse it, but it does have the power to refer the matter to the Minister with a recommendation if it does not agree with the Officer's recommendation, as it has done. If the Minister does not agree with the action of Council to date, he has the authority to approve the DA, or conversely, if he does agree with Council's stance, he can refuse it.
It should also be noted, If the DA were to have been submitted following the gazettal of the Dec 2007 City Centre LEP, it would have been classified as a MAJOR EVENT, and legally it could not have been recommended for approval. However, because there was a savings clause in the LEP which states that a DA submitted prior to its gazettal, had to be processed under the previous LEP and it could be recommended for approval by Council officers, which in fact was what happened.
whilst Council was in support of the other aspects of the DA, it decided it was not happy with complaints surrounding the proposed Motorcross, and subsequently referred it to the Minister for his decision, seeking his support in having the DA refused.
At the end of the day, it's the Minister's decision which the Council and the Applicant will have to abide by.
Incidentally, I don't recollect any Councillor vehemently opposing my motion or pushing for the approval on the night of the Council Meeting.
Most appeared to concur with my actions.
There were in fact 7 objectors to the DA, not 4 as some are stating, but some of these such as OLMC.. OLMC represents over a thousand students some of whom attend school of a Saturday for tuition, and would be affected by the noise. There was also objection from The Parramatta Park Trust.
What about the park users who come from outside the catchment area and because of this, were not able to be informed of the proposal, but who maybe looking forward to a quiet relaxing day in the park and not expect to be subjected to the noise and pollution of the motorcross.
Also, Westmead Hospital is not all that far away and patients could be affected by the noise.
Unfortunately, the hospital hierarchy were not notified of the DA, so consequently they were not afforded the opportunity to submit a submission.
I therefore stand firmly behind my convictions, and if people such as you don't agree with me and wish to label me an goof ball, that is your choice and opinion, but at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their views as are those who are entrusted with decision-making; doing what they consider is best for the overall community, many of the latter living in close proximity to the event; some of whom do not necessarily like noise, which obviously doesn't worry you.
Chris Worthington.
I didn't know I had a plume or that he doesn't like to be called a goof ball.
Todd
I note your rude and uncomplementary remarks. However, there are a few aspects of this matter I would like to outline and clarify, in the hope that in future, you maybe a little more informed before jumping to conclusions and injudiciously labelling people with non-complimentary titles, and not having the gumption to fully identify yourself, but to hide under the non de` plume of 'Todd.'
Don't you think it presumptuous for the Stadium to sell so many tickets prior to ascertaining whether the DA has been approved or not??? I don't believe that the Council or I can be held responsible for that happening.
The processing of this DA is no different to any building DA, whereby a building cannot commence until it is approved by Council. It appears that the Stadium does not seem to understand or want to understand the process involved.
As you may or may not be aware, being a Crown Application, Council does not have the power to refuse it, but it does have the power to refer the matter to the Minister with a recommendation if it does not agree with the Officer's recommendation, as it has done. If the Minister does not agree with the action of Council to date, he has the authority to approve the DA, or conversely, if he does agree with Council's stance, he can refuse it.
It should also be noted, If the DA were to have been submitted following the gazettal of the Dec 2007 City Centre LEP, it would have been classified as a MAJOR EVENT, and legally it could not have been recommended for approval. However, because there was a savings clause in the LEP which states that a DA submitted prior to its gazettal, had to be processed under the previous LEP and it could be recommended for approval by Council officers, which in fact was what happened.
whilst Council was in support of the other aspects of the DA, it decided it was not happy with complaints surrounding the proposed Motorcross, and subsequently referred it to the Minister for his decision, seeking his support in having the DA refused.
At the end of the day, it's the Minister's decision which the Council and the Applicant will have to abide by.
Incidentally, I don't recollect any Councillor vehemently opposing my motion or pushing for the approval on the night of the Council Meeting.
Most appeared to concur with my actions.
There were in fact 7 objectors to the DA, not 4 as some are stating, but some of these such as OLMC.. OLMC represents over a thousand students some of whom attend school of a Saturday for tuition, and would be affected by the noise. There was also objection from The Parramatta Park Trust.
What about the park users who come from outside the catchment area and because of this, were not able to be informed of the proposal, but who maybe looking forward to a quiet relaxing day in the park and not expect to be subjected to the noise and pollution of the motorcross.
Also, Westmead Hospital is not all that far away and patients could be affected by the noise.
Unfortunately, the hospital hierarchy were not notified of the DA, so consequently they were not afforded the opportunity to submit a submission.
I therefore stand firmly behind my convictions, and if people such as you don't agree with me and wish to label me an goof ball, that is your choice and opinion, but at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their views as are those who are entrusted with decision-making; doing what they consider is best for the overall community, many of the latter living in close proximity to the event; some of whom do not necessarily like noise, which obviously doesn't worry you.
Chris Worthington.
1st you don't really sound like a "goofball".
2nd I do feel from the sound of this that your
end is clearly "over engineering " the whole affair.
Key word in "affair " is to be "fair". This seems like
your ends going to too far. I'm sure better ideas
could've been realized.
These events aren't designed to harm anyone or
anything. They're good for the local economy, etc.
At what cost?
Again, the end, your end doesn't justify the means.
To pull the plug was wrong................
Wrong.
Dave O.
Wedding called off, problem solved.
Chad, I'll take an autographed jersey in thanks for my brilliant plan.
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Your comments did more harm than good.
Try reason next time. Cite examples and a benefits from the event. Do it with some class and show them some respect. It works much better.
BY ALISON MILLS
12/09/2008 2:40:00 PM
Parramatta Chamber of Commerce says the local economy is facing a $1 million loss as a result of the council's refusal to allow a national dirt bike event at Parramatta Stadium.
The council last week approved a development application from Parramatta Stadium Trust to stage a number of additional events at the venue but stopped short of approving the SuperX Australasian Supercross Championship, which was scheduled for Saturday, November 8.
Chamber of Commerce president Roman Dechnicz said that on the weight of cost benefit, the council "got it wrong''.
Mr Dechnicz said the event was being staged in every other capital city in Australia, except Sydney.
"Parramatta is missing out on what the Chamber believes is a major event impacting on local economic revenue and the promotion of Parramatta as a sporting event and tourism destination,'' Mr Dechnicz said.
Parramatta hotels had reported cancellations of bookings while the event's organiser, Global Action Sports Pty Ltd, estimated the loss for the area could range from $500,000 to $1 million.
The company's chief executive Michael Porra said almost 10,000 tickets had already been sold, of which 40 per cent were to people from Queensland, Victoria and country NSW.
"Does the council not see the economic impact of this group spending the weekend at Parramatta?'' Mr Dechnicz said.
"The event the council has rejected was the inaugural event in what was planned as an annual affair. The loss of injection into Parramatta's local economy will be an annual loss, not once-off,'' he said.
Todd was right, what a goofball..............hope he enjoys the wedding.
The Council is really the one to blame for this. They should have had the people who are more than paper shufflers handling this and should have really SOLD it to the community for the benefits it will bring to them. Each Council has a major events department that exist solely to stimulate tourism and economic opportunities to their region. They blew it big time.
Hopefully this will only motivate them (Rush and Chad) to make it a bigger opportunity for another council. Not sure if they are bothered but I am sure several Western Suburbs councils would be more than happy to have a $1 million dollar plus event at their stadium.
Even though Penrith is out of the way it comes to mind. What about the Showground, not sure what the capacity is but it could also be a possibility?
Being rude and name calling won't make them even think about listening to what you have to say.
I love it how motocross is "Noise and pollution".
How many parks are there over there that are right next to major highways or downtown? My guess is more than a few, and last time I checked, cars spew out more pollution than even 100 bikes. Sure 4-strokes are noisy, but if the setup is the same as here in the states, each heat and main event won't last more then 15-20 minutes at a time, then just crowd noise again.
My guess is the complainers haven't ever been to a race and the layout/format wasn't explained to them.
Either way, we(motorcycle enthusiasts) need to work on changing the public view of motorcycles being "noise and pollution".
THE fate of Parramatta's Supercross hinges on the outcome of mediation between the city's stadium and Parramatta Council this week.
The stadium's Luke Coleman said they would meet the council on Thursday to try to get a green light for the event, backed by local motocross world champion Chad Reed.
"We're as hopeful as one can be,'' Mr Coleman said. "It will be mediated with the Department of Planning to determine whether or not it goes ahead.''
Planning Minister Kristina Keneally can either accept the council's decision or allow it to go ahead.
The Daily Telegraph has sent her a petition with 2178 signatures calling on her to save the Supercross.
Promoters have already sold 10,000 tickets to the November 8 event and estimate it would generate at least $1 million investment into Parramatta and Western Sydney.
"At this stage the promoter is obviously looking at alternatives and that will be a significant loss to the stadium and there will be a significant impact for all those people who have purchased tickets.
"We're just taking it one step at a time here and are trying to expediate the process to get an answer.'
After Parramatta City Council effectively sounded the death knell for the event at Parramatta Stadium, event organisers looked elsewhere and found a near-perfect match at Sydney's Showgrounds.
Cronulla and Campbelltown's rugby league stadiums and Acer Arena at Sydney Olympic Park also remain as back-up options being investigated by organisers.
But it is the Showgrounds that appears likely to hold the event after they approached the Supercross with an olive branch and declared - "we want you".
It is understood promoters could take the Supercross to the Showgrounds regardless of the Department of Planning's final say on whether or not it can go ahead at Parramatta Stadium. A mediation will be held tomorrow between the council, Parramatta Stadium, Supercross promoters and officials from the Department of Planning.
"We are 99 per cent certain that if Parramatta falls over we will have another venue in Sydney," Michael Porra, of Global Action Sports, told The Daily Telegraph.
"Even if Parramatta can go ahead there is no guarantee we will keep the event there. Long term we would be concerned the issues that have arisen this time could come up again. We want it to be an annual event kept at the one place and we think Homebush is a great venue that's perfect for this."
Parramatta Chamber of Commerce president Roman Dechnicz said it would be a tragedy felt for years to come. "We have the possibility of at least $1 million worth of investment going out the window," Mr Dechnicz said.
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