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I was thinking now the USADA has Armstrong do they gonna go after his former staf? And more in particular are they going after Aldon Baker? He was Armstrongs trainer in 1998 & 1999, not??? And he is still working in the US.

For the record, I been never a big Armstrong fan, but what USADA does is bullshit. I mean everyone was fighting with the same weapons back then, period.

PS: Are you guys scared of this question or something because this is a moto-question and the last time you banned this to non-moto. But a motocross trainer was involved with Lance Armstrong. The same Lance Armstrong that is now found guilty on using doping.
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Switch 8/28/2012 3:19pm
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Source? I don't think he worked directly with Lance

And he was only "found guilty" because he got sick of defending himself so many years later. Those guys had a hard on for him and wouldn't leave it be. Is he completely innocent? Probably not, but who the hell cares, he wasn't "found guilty" at the time, so let it go.
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MXMattii wrote:
I was thinking now the USADA has Armstrong do they gonna go after his former staf? And more in particular are they going after Aldon Baker...
I was thinking now the USADA has Armstrong do they gonna go after his former staf? And more in particular are they going after Aldon Baker? He was Armstrongs trainer in 1998 & 1999, not??? And he is still working in the US.

For the record, I been never a big Armstrong fan, but what USADA does is bullshit. I mean everyone was fighting with the same weapons back then, period.

PS: Are you guys scared of this question or something because this is a moto-question and the last time you banned this to non-moto. But a motocross trainer was involved with Lance Armstrong. The same Lance Armstrong that is now found guilty on using doping.
Can you tell/show me when, how, and who he was involved with? Then maybe we can discuss further. Thanks
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BAMX 8/28/2012 3:29pm
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I think that you are confusing Aldon with Jeff Spencer.
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MXMattii 8/28/2012 3:45pm
8/28/2012 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2012 3:46pm
I conclude that he worked with Lance from this interview.

I quote from the interview:

He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can get an idea of the type of suffering he goes through and therefore has a huge respect for that profession. When he starts to think he is really suffering, I (Aldon Baker) can always pull out one of my training logs from ‘98 and ‘99 and show him there is a whole other dimension to suffering.

So he made training logs for Lance Armstrong not?

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UpTiTe 8/28/2012 3:53pm
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No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
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UpTiTe wrote:
No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
I never said they don't, I just said I don't give a shit if they do. Big difference, and I think more than a few people would feel the same way.
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chrisbuehler 8/28/2012 3:56pm
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The witch hunt was bullshit. ALL his competitors were doping, the playing was level. His genetics and hard work made Lance a champion, not drugs
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MXMattii 8/28/2012 3:58pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
If you say that riders don't dope than you're a naive guy. Midden '90 there where some guys who got cached using in Europe. But in America those things were legal back then.

If there is money involved, allot of money involved people will always try to cheat.
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Beats me, don't care.
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BR_HERO 8/28/2012 4:01pm
8/28/2012 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2012 4:09pm
UpTiTe wrote:
No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
I would ask for proof but i know you don't have any.

Not saying they don't but without proof it's just accusation, and that's just bs.
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UpTiTe wrote:
No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
BR_HERO wrote:
I would ask for proof but i know you don't have any.

Not saying they don't but without proof it's just accusation, and that's just bs.
Oh the proof is there, thats all I'm saying.
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426Hemi 8/28/2012 4:13pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
No matter how obvious it is, racer don't dope.

MX fans are a naive bunch.
BR_HERO wrote:
I would ask for proof but i know you don't have any.

Not saying they don't but without proof it's just accusation, and that's just bs.
UpTiTe wrote:
Oh the proof is there, thats all I'm saying.
If you are going to make accusations, you should as a matter of honor back them up with facts.
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BR_HERO 8/28/2012 4:14pm
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BR_HERO wrote:
I would ask for proof but i know you don't have any.

Not saying they don't but without proof it's just accusation, and that's just bs.
UpTiTe wrote:
Oh the proof is there, thats all I'm saying.
426Hemi wrote:
If you are going to make accusations, you should as a matter of honor back them up with facts.
That's what people with no proof do.Smile
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GrapeApe 8/28/2012 4:15pm
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MXMattii wrote:
I conclude that he worked with Lance from [url=http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/Aldon_interview_1_part2.html]this interview.[/url] I quote from the interview: He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can...
I conclude that he worked with Lance from this interview.

I quote from the interview:

He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can get an idea of the type of suffering he goes through and therefore has a huge respect for that profession. When he starts to think he is really suffering, I (Aldon Baker) can always pull out one of my training logs from ‘98 and ‘99 and show him there is a whole other dimension to suffering.

So he made training logs for Lance Armstrong not?
You made the wrong conclusion. He made training logs for himself in '98 and '99, he is a former professional mountain bike racer. He had nothing to do with Lance Armstrong.
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Trauma 8/28/2012 4:17pm
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Not surprised Armstrong was cheating, never surprised when any cyclist is busted. As for Aldon, fuck if I know.
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DownSouth 8/28/2012 4:20pm
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MXMattii wrote:
I conclude that he worked with Lance from [url=http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/Aldon_interview_1_part2.html]this interview.[/url] I quote from the interview: He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can...
I conclude that he worked with Lance from this interview.

I quote from the interview:

He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can get an idea of the type of suffering he goes through and therefore has a huge respect for that profession. When he starts to think he is really suffering, I (Aldon Baker) can always pull out one of my training logs from ‘98 and ‘99 and show him there is a whole other dimension to suffering.

So he made training logs for Lance Armstrong not?
To me that looks like Aldon was talking about his training logs from his own mountain bike racing days when he was training for the 2000 Olympics.

You are reading a lot into a statement where the only mention of Armstrong is that RC admired him.

If you keep reading the interview Baker says he thinks they should be testing the top three at every race and talks about the damage that ped's can cause to an athlete later in life.
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englishman 8/28/2012 4:22pm
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MXMattii wrote:
I conclude that he worked with Lance from [url=http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/Aldon_interview_1_part2.html]this interview.[/url] I quote from the interview: He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can...
I conclude that he worked with Lance from this interview.

I quote from the interview:

He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can get an idea of the type of suffering he goes through and therefore has a huge respect for that profession. When he starts to think he is really suffering, I (Aldon Baker) can always pull out one of my training logs from ‘98 and ‘99 and show him there is a whole other dimension to suffering.

So he made training logs for Lance Armstrong not?
Not

Chris Carmichael was training armstrong back then.

Baker is referring to his personal logs as he raced mountain bike pro back then.
UpTiTe 8/28/2012 4:27pm
8/28/2012 4:27pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2012 4:30pm
BR_HERO wrote:
I would ask for proof but i know you don't have any.

Not saying they don't but without proof it's just accusation, and that's just bs.
UpTiTe wrote:
Oh the proof is there, thats all I'm saying.
426Hemi wrote:
If you are going to make accusations, you should as a matter of honor back them up with facts.
Ok

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Matti has such asshole instincts. It must be breathtaking to be such a natural at it.
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MXMattii 8/28/2012 4:29pm
8/28/2012 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2012 4:36pm
MXMattii wrote:
I conclude that he worked with Lance from [url=http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/Aldon_interview_1_part2.html]this interview.[/url] I quote from the interview: He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can...
I conclude that he worked with Lance from this interview.

I quote from the interview:

He (Ricky #4) has always admired Lance Armstrong, and he can get an idea of the type of suffering he goes through and therefore has a huge respect for that profession. When he starts to think he is really suffering, I (Aldon Baker) can always pull out one of my training logs from ‘98 and ‘99 and show him there is a whole other dimension to suffering.

So he made training logs for Lance Armstrong not?
englishman wrote:
Not

Chris Carmichael was training armstrong back then.

Baker is referring to his personal logs as he raced mountain bike pro back then.
Thanks guys for setting this straight!

@DownSouth No, I'm not saying that... I would never say that. Those guys are living for there sport 24/24. Someone told me that Baker worked with Lance... I was informed wrong, my mistake, so I asked a wrong question. At the end of the day Aldon is one of my hero's because athlete after athlete he makes them better, I would like to run along with him for 14days!

Bye the way, BAMX says: "I think that you are confusing Aldon with Jeff Spencer." So a MX-guy has worked with Lance?
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ocscottie 8/28/2012 4:30pm
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Hell, if it is going on nowadays, it HAS to be a helluva lot safer than what was going on in the 90's, and it was going on, and some of it was pretty scary.
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What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair to the riders who prefer the "natural route" and plan to live a long life, nor to the kids who are exposed. I feel most riders are totally uneducated in health and are 100% okay with what the trainer recommends to give them top performance. These guys risk their lives and push their bodies to their limits in many ways for many reasons. We have no right to tell them what to put in their bodies, they do so at their own risk and require more than you'd ever know to maintain their health. As for Baker...I will say that he has pushed the physical envelope of our sport. Good or a bad thing, I will not say.
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Roscoe33 8/28/2012 5:12pm
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MXMattii wrote:
I was thinking now the USADA has Armstrong do they gonna go after his former staf? And more in particular are they going after Aldon Baker...
I was thinking now the USADA has Armstrong do they gonna go after his former staf? And more in particular are they going after Aldon Baker? He was Armstrongs trainer in 1998 & 1999, not??? And he is still working in the US.

For the record, I been never a big Armstrong fan, but what USADA does is bullshit. I mean everyone was fighting with the same weapons back then, period.

PS: Are you guys scared of this question or something because this is a moto-question and the last time you banned this to non-moto. But a motocross trainer was involved with Lance Armstrong. The same Lance Armstrong that is now found guilty on using doping.
I think your a little confused on who works for who, 1998 Lance Armstrong was a pro cyclist signed to The US postal team run by Johan Bruyneel and coached by Jim Ochowicz.
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RevealerOfTruths wrote:
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair...
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair to the riders who prefer the "natural route" and plan to live a long life, nor to the kids who are exposed. I feel most riders are totally uneducated in health and are 100% okay with what the trainer recommends to give them top performance. These guys risk their lives and push their bodies to their limits in many ways for many reasons. We have no right to tell them what to put in their bodies, they do so at their own risk and require more than you'd ever know to maintain their health. As for Baker...I will say that he has pushed the physical envelope of our sport. Good or a bad thing, I will not say.
Jeez, you act like these guys are juicing like Lyle Alzado. Not saying no one uses PED's, but, I doubt the amounts and duration are really harmful in the long term. JMO
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BR_HERO 8/28/2012 5:25pm
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RevealerOfTruths wrote:
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair...
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair to the riders who prefer the "natural route" and plan to live a long life, nor to the kids who are exposed. I feel most riders are totally uneducated in health and are 100% okay with what the trainer recommends to give them top performance. These guys risk their lives and push their bodies to their limits in many ways for many reasons. We have no right to tell them what to put in their bodies, they do so at their own risk and require more than you'd ever know to maintain their health. As for Baker...I will say that he has pushed the physical envelope of our sport. Good or a bad thing, I will not say.
You didn't reveal shit, just more speculation.
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chrisbuehler 8/28/2012 5:28pm
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To me that looks like Aldon was talking about his training logs from his own mountain bike racing days when he was training for the 2000...
To me that looks like Aldon was talking about his training logs from his own mountain bike racing days when he was training for the 2000 Olympics.

You are reading a lot into a statement where the only mention of Armstrong is that RC admired him.

If you keep reading the interview Baker says he thinks they should be testing the top three at every race and talks about the damage that ped's can cause to an athlete later in life.
PED's are actually quite safe if used moderately and under supervision i.e. getting regular bloodwork.
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I'd do PEDs too if it meant the difference between winning and or fading into oblivion then working construction after my moto career was done
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The witch hunt was bullshit. ALL his competitors were doping, the playing was level. His genetics and hard work made Lance a champion, not drugs
Agreed Chris, he would have won either way. Just another Govt intrusion into our lives.
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chrisbuehler 8/28/2012 7:14pm
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Agreed Chris, he would have won either way. Just another Govt intrusion into our lives.
The government knows what's best and has to save us from ourselves lol. Yet you or I can go five minutes in any direction and get booze and cigarettes.
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chrisbuehler 8/28/2012 7:20pm
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RevealerOfTruths wrote:
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair...
What is our sport magically exempt from p.e.d.'s? Get real people... Top riders, or whoever can afford "the package" gets the trainer/doctor special. It's not fair to the riders who prefer the "natural route" and plan to live a long life, nor to the kids who are exposed. I feel most riders are totally uneducated in health and are 100% okay with what the trainer recommends to give them top performance. These guys risk their lives and push their bodies to their limits in many ways for many reasons. We have no right to tell them what to put in their bodies, they do so at their own risk and require more than you'd ever know to maintain their health. As for Baker...I will say that he has pushed the physical envelope of our sport. Good or a bad thing, I will not say.
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Jeez, you act like these guys are juicing like Lyle Alzado. Not saying no one uses PED's, but, I doubt the amounts and duration are really...
Jeez, you act like these guys are juicing like Lyle Alzado. Not saying no one uses PED's, but, I doubt the amounts and duration are really harmful in the long term. JMO
Exactly. No one is shortening their lives, jesus. I'm not naive enough to think there isn't a chance of some riders using. But these guys are tiny, they aren't trying to be bodybuilders. The amounts would be tiny and I can tell you it's far from expensive. It's def not a case of only the top guy's being able to afford the "program".

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