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Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 10:54pm
I dunno if anyone looked this up, but here it is....seems to be getting a bit more reasonable....

Link: http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2016/Purse/PurseSX16.pdf



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downard254 12/26/2015 6:15pm
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So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket. Just throwing that out there.
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KTMShane699 12/26/2015 6:21pm
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downard254 wrote:
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket...
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket. Just throwing that out there.
Yup. You do. And out of that ticket cost, you need to take out some other expenses. The stadium doesn't come for free. They have to make money. Staffing for the event has to get paid. Emergency personnel, security, etc. Insurance costs have to get paid. The track has to be built and materials brought in. The promoter needs to make a few bucks. There are costs of the required people and equipment getting to the event. The ticket sales company usually gets a piece of each ticket sold.

The cost of your ticket doesn't go as far as you might think. While it sounds great like there should be a much higher purse, it won't happen until the riders demand it. But be careful what you wish for, the costs are simply going to get passed down to the fans. They won't be absorbed by the people doing this to make money.

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Chris_Cooksey 12/26/2015 8:03pm
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downard254 wrote:
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket...
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket. Just throwing that out there.
KTMShane699 wrote:
Yup. You do. And out of that ticket cost, you need to take out some other expenses. The stadium doesn't come for free. They have to...
Yup. You do. And out of that ticket cost, you need to take out some other expenses. The stadium doesn't come for free. They have to make money. Staffing for the event has to get paid. Emergency personnel, security, etc. Insurance costs have to get paid. The track has to be built and materials brought in. The promoter needs to make a few bucks. There are costs of the required people and equipment getting to the event. The ticket sales company usually gets a piece of each ticket sold.

The cost of your ticket doesn't go as far as you might think. While it sounds great like there should be a much higher purse, it won't happen until the riders demand it. But be careful what you wish for, the costs are simply going to get passed down to the fans. They won't be absorbed by the people doing this to make money.

Shane
Yes there are all those costs, but don't forget sponsor money. The Monster money should cover the track build and part of the stadium rental. Are we at a point where we can sell TV rights? That is where the real money is... I say make the format more TV friendly and sign a big deal, that is the future. Football and Baseball don't rely on ticket sales to profit, it is the TV contracts!
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kkawboy14 12/26/2015 8:58pm
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Don't forget, nobody else makes money in moto so why should the riders?......

Shoot with all the stadium costs and tv costs the promoter can't even afford dinner and a helicopter ride home....

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$3350 for the winner of the 250 class?? That's ridiculous!! Almost a $10,000 difference?? What a fuckin joke!
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$3350 for the winner of the 250 class?? That's ridiculous!! Almost a $10,000 difference?? What a fuckin joke!
It's all they can afford, plus nobody watches the 250 class, so they aren't really needed at the event!
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I think it's some what of a joke that a professional series is ran by a billionaire circus promoter. Monster jam is the only other "motorsport" that they are involved in and it is really just a motorized circus act itself. The organization itself need/should be running it just like any other major sport. Just my opinion though.
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KTMShane699 12/26/2015 9:27pm
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Yes there are all those costs, but don't forget sponsor money. The Monster money should cover the track build and part of the stadium rental. Are...
Yes there are all those costs, but don't forget sponsor money. The Monster money should cover the track build and part of the stadium rental. Are we at a point where we can sell TV rights? That is where the real money is... I say make the format more TV friendly and sign a big deal, that is the future. Football and Baseball don't rely on ticket sales to profit, it is the TV contracts!
As far as tv rights go, no we aren't there is my understanding. To get the time slots they've been getting, the networks have been paid rather than the other way around. So that's an expense that can get added to the mix as well that doesn't come cheap. Better time slot requires more money.

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mattyhamz2 wrote:
$3350 for the winner of the 250 class?? That's ridiculous!! Almost a $10,000 difference?? What a fuckin joke!
kkawboy14 wrote:
It's all they can afford, plus nobody watches the 250 class, so they aren't really needed at the event!
Maybe the casual watcher doesn't care about the 250 class but I love it (as do most that are serious about the sport) and would be pissed if they got rid of it. Webb is one of the most entertaining riders on a 250 imo, who doesn't want to see him do what he does? On top of that if it was only 450's how many laps would they race to fill in all the added time?!
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rrdecals 12/26/2015 9:46pm
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Until I see a check written out to Fox I find it very hard to believe they have to buy tv time. That's an urban myth in my opinion.
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KTMShane699 12/26/2015 9:47pm
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motofool wrote:
I think it's some what of a joke that a professional series is ran by a billionaire circus promoter. Monster jam is the only other "motorsport"...
I think it's some what of a joke that a professional series is ran by a billionaire circus promoter. Monster jam is the only other "motorsport" that they are involved in and it is really just a motorized circus act itself. The organization itself need/should be running it just like any other major sport. Just my opinion though.
If only life were really so simple. Nobody is saying the promoters aren't making money. If they weren't, they wouldn't continue to do it. They're also going to protect their profit margins by running events as inexpensively as possible for themselves while allowing the most revenue to be generated (basic business there). If their expenses increase, they'll increase prices to guarantee their profit margin (more business).

The topic of purse money is always a heated one. Ultimately, it's a fight the riders need to make. Outrage from the spectators of the sport is not going to cause a bump in rider purse. And to be quite honest, we aren't the ones who should fight that fight. How often have any of us had someone go fight for a raise for us at our jobs? And by fight for a raise, I mean really try to make it happen. Not the general "that guy deserves a raise" compliment. I'm guessing it's a pretty rare occurance for that to happen. And even so, if the riders themselves won't fight for it; why give it to them? There's no shortage of them coming to the gate. I guess ultimately when it's a big enough issue, they'll get involved and push for it to change.

And speaking of sponsor money, can't forget the sponsor money the riders are making. It seems like with the often talked about depth of field and factory rides, more and more riders are drawing a salary simply to show up (I know it's not always the case). So really, the race purse is just bonus cash for some of the guys.

It's not a perfect system and it's loaded with flaws. Sometimes reading here it seems like it's easy to wave the wand and fix it. If only reality were that easy. And if you think it is, and can offer something great to the riders; why not start your own series and attract the riders and manifacturers into it? You could get rich like Feld...

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tempura 12/26/2015 10:21pm
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Of course the promoters are making a mint out of it. You'd be a fool to think they are doing it for their love of the sport. I also agree that it's the riders fight for a better purse. I don't think any of the pro riders would show up at your premises of employment demanding you get a pay rise Wink Business is a ladder. The ones at the top make the decisions. They take the profits and give the left-overs to everyone else. Unfortunately for the riders, they aren't at the top of this ladder. Almost all business operates in the same way.
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lostboy819 12/26/2015 10:54pm
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Maybe none of the riders will show up at A1 because they are so mistreated. Laughing
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TDeath21 12/26/2015 11:12pm
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In my opinion, the person winning the 250 main event should get a lower purse than the 22nd place rider in the 450 main event.
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Johnny Depp 12/27/2015 7:30am
12/27/2015 7:30am Edited Date/Time 12/27/2015 8:07am
Purses are a joke and always have been. MX racers are like College athletes and get pimped by promoters.

As evidenced by the tiny purses, there isn't enough to go around for 2 classes. Let everyone ride one class and have elimination heats to fill the show.

As long as there are individual rider contracts you won't have an uprising, they would get sued. About all they could do is a work slowdown, that is how unions do it. Roll all the jumps and see if you don't get someones attention..

What is missing is the leverage from another promoter. Remember when NFL/AFL raised football $. Jim Kelly, Mike Rozier, Doug Flutie, Doug Williams, Steve Young, Donald Trump..
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rrdecals wrote:
Until I see a check written out to Fox I find it very hard to believe they have to buy tv time. That's an urban myth...
Until I see a check written out to Fox I find it very hard to believe they have to buy tv time. That's an urban myth in my opinion.
Up until the last few years ago it wasn't an urban myth....
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crusty_xx 12/27/2015 7:53am
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Wow I thought the difference between making the main and not making it would be bigger

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rrdecals wrote:
Until I see a check written out to Fox I find it very hard to believe they have to buy tv time. That's an urban myth...
Until I see a check written out to Fox I find it very hard to believe they have to buy tv time. That's an urban myth in my opinion.
DonM wrote:
Up until the last few years ago it wasn't an urban myth....
Yup, it just changed about three, maybe four years ago.
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hvaughn88 12/27/2015 8:24am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Purses are a joke and always have been. MX racers are like College athletes and get pimped by promoters. As evidenced by the tiny purses, there...
Purses are a joke and always have been. MX racers are like College athletes and get pimped by promoters.

As evidenced by the tiny purses, there isn't enough to go around for 2 classes. Let everyone ride one class and have elimination heats to fill the show.

As long as there are individual rider contracts you won't have an uprising, they would get sued. About all they could do is a work slowdown, that is how unions do it. Roll all the jumps and see if you don't get someones attention..

What is missing is the leverage from another promoter. Remember when NFL/AFL raised football $. Jim Kelly, Mike Rozier, Doug Flutie, Doug Williams, Steve Young, Donald Trump..
Pimped? Really? Come on, man.
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motofool wrote:
I think it's some what of a joke that a professional series is ran by a billionaire circus promoter. Monster jam is the only other "motorsport"...
I think it's some what of a joke that a professional series is ran by a billionaire circus promoter. Monster jam is the only other "motorsport" that they are involved in and it is really just a motorized circus act itself. The organization itself need/should be running it just like any other major sport. Just my opinion though.
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If only life were really so simple. Nobody is saying the promoters aren't making money. If they weren't, they wouldn't continue to do it. They're also...
If only life were really so simple. Nobody is saying the promoters aren't making money. If they weren't, they wouldn't continue to do it. They're also going to protect their profit margins by running events as inexpensively as possible for themselves while allowing the most revenue to be generated (basic business there). If their expenses increase, they'll increase prices to guarantee their profit margin (more business).

The topic of purse money is always a heated one. Ultimately, it's a fight the riders need to make. Outrage from the spectators of the sport is not going to cause a bump in rider purse. And to be quite honest, we aren't the ones who should fight that fight. How often have any of us had someone go fight for a raise for us at our jobs? And by fight for a raise, I mean really try to make it happen. Not the general "that guy deserves a raise" compliment. I'm guessing it's a pretty rare occurance for that to happen. And even so, if the riders themselves won't fight for it; why give it to them? There's no shortage of them coming to the gate. I guess ultimately when it's a big enough issue, they'll get involved and push for it to change.

And speaking of sponsor money, can't forget the sponsor money the riders are making. It seems like with the often talked about depth of field and factory rides, more and more riders are drawing a salary simply to show up (I know it's not always the case). So really, the race purse is just bonus cash for some of the guys.

It's not a perfect system and it's loaded with flaws. Sometimes reading here it seems like it's easy to wave the wand and fix it. If only reality were that easy. And if you think it is, and can offer something great to the riders; why not start your own series and attract the riders and manifacturers into it? You could get rich like Feld...

Shane
Because its easier to complain on vital, and do nothing about it, i wonder how many complainers actually attend races?
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Johnny Depp 12/27/2015 8:30am
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Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act

Book the perfect Circus performer!

Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour

Acrobat Trapeze Artist - $500-$10000 per event

Sword Swallorwer - $1500-$5000 per event

There is your competitive pay scale...
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hvaughn88 12/27/2015 8:32am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act Book the perfect Circus performer! Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour Acrobat Trapeze...
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act

Book the perfect Circus performer!

Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour

Acrobat Trapeze Artist - $500-$10000 per event

Sword Swallorwer - $1500-$5000 per event

There is your competitive pay scale...
Soooo...what's your point?
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Johnny Depp 12/27/2015 8:48am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act Book the perfect Circus performer! Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour Acrobat Trapeze...
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act

Book the perfect Circus performer!

Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour

Acrobat Trapeze Artist - $500-$10000 per event

Sword Swallorwer - $1500-$5000 per event

There is your competitive pay scale...
hvaughn88 wrote:
Soooo...what's your point?
This is the kind of money Feld has to pay to put on a Circus, which is their primary business background. We aren't talking about a company with multi-million dollar earners from their "commission" structure.

As long as Feld owns the rights to the sport we won't likely see any significant changes to the purse.

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Sully22 12/27/2015 9:06am
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Sure, the payout is a joke, hasn't changed much in years, and probably won't ever change too much. But it's not where these guys make their dineros mi amigos. Salary, bonus structure from contacts with their different sponsors. This is the couch cushion money for some, and sad but true for others, it's the way they get to the next round

Here's a good article from MXA on the payout...the 250 payout has almost doubled in a couple years.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/you-asked-for-it-how-much-does-…
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downard254 12/27/2015 9:06am
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downard254 wrote:
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket...
So in a crowd of about 45,000 fans, about $2.75 of each ticket goes to cover the night purse. I pay on average $125 per ticket. Just throwing that out there.
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Yup. You do. And out of that ticket cost, you need to take out some other expenses. The stadium doesn't come for free. They have to...
Yup. You do. And out of that ticket cost, you need to take out some other expenses. The stadium doesn't come for free. They have to make money. Staffing for the event has to get paid. Emergency personnel, security, etc. Insurance costs have to get paid. The track has to be built and materials brought in. The promoter needs to make a few bucks. There are costs of the required people and equipment getting to the event. The ticket sales company usually gets a piece of each ticket sold.

The cost of your ticket doesn't go as far as you might think. While it sounds great like there should be a much higher purse, it won't happen until the riders demand it. But be careful what you wish for, the costs are simply going to get passed down to the fans. They won't be absorbed by the people doing this to make money.

Shane
I know what you're saying Shane, I'm third generation business owner myself, and just started up another. I was, however raised "old school" where an honest living should be the norm. No way I'm going to rape anybody (not that I mean to imply that certain people are getting raped). I would however, like the see the ledger sheets to see how much and where it's going. Im in construction and I personally like to see as many of my friends in "the business" get a share of what's out there. We all need to earn an honest living and while I'm not going to become a millionaire doing this, I will raise my boys, get them through school, and sleep well at night. In our family we live by the saying "you get what you earn".

Edit: just for informations sake, look at the face value of your average SX ticket and compare to what you pay the ticket supplier. I think there's a problem right there. No way there should be 300+% markup.
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hvaughn88 12/27/2015 9:19am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act Book the perfect Circus performer! Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour Acrobat Trapeze...
Here is a link to where Feld could hire entertainers for a show: https://www.gigmasters.com/services/circus-act

Book the perfect Circus performer!

Fire eater- $200-$4000 per hour

Acrobat Trapeze Artist - $500-$10000 per event

Sword Swallorwer - $1500-$5000 per event

There is your competitive pay scale...
hvaughn88 wrote:
Soooo...what's your point?
Johnny Depp wrote:
This is the kind of money Feld has to pay to put on a Circus, which is their primary business background. We aren't talking about a...
This is the kind of money Feld has to pay to put on a Circus, which is their primary business background. We aren't talking about a company with multi-million dollar earners from their "commission" structure.

As long as Feld owns the rights to the sport we won't likely see any significant changes to the purse.

Look man, I would love to see the guys make more money. It would be awesome to see the last place guy to make the night show making incredible money just to be there. But let's not forget what we are dealing with here. This sport is small. Like really small. Like really, really, really small. We aren't talking about the NFL here. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but given the size of the sport, I'm actually pretty impressed with the product being put forth. This could easily all go away.
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Johnny Depp 12/27/2015 9:29am
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"If you keep doing what you've always done, you're gonna get what you always got"

"Is the glass half empty or half full?"

I can't help but imagine what this sport could be with the right mentor. Maybe Trump?
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NV825 12/27/2015 9:29am
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Do the riders still have to pay an entree fee? I believe all qualified riders should only have to pay an annual AMA card fee and no entree fee to any AMA SX or MX race.
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hvaughn88 12/27/2015 9:31am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
"If you keep doing what you've always done, you're gonna get what you always got" "Is the glass half empty or half full?" I can't help...
"If you keep doing what you've always done, you're gonna get what you always got"

"Is the glass half empty or half full?"

I can't help but imagine what this sport could be with the right mentor. Maybe Trump?
So perhaps instead of continuing to ride motorcycles, the guys at the back could learn how to juggle fire or swallow swords?

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