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probably complicated but why not everyone get together and at least attempt to start a series for 2 strokes............like there was for 4 strokes back in the day??
give a place for guys like Nick Wey to keep racing if they wanted or the up and comers who didn't get the factory ride from Lorettas..................make it non AMA so brands like TM could compete
start a small regional series and see if it could work.........doubt MX sports or any of the national tracks could be involved but many others I think would jump at the chance...................
surely you could grab enough sponsors to come up with a legit purse so be worth doing.............look at FormulaE......starting to get traction and names and companies involved
and be legit title...........almost I dare say better than AX
give a place for guys like Nick Wey to keep racing if they wanted or the up and comers who didn't get the factory ride from Lorettas..................make it non AMA so brands like TM could compete
start a small regional series and see if it could work.........doubt MX sports or any of the national tracks could be involved but many others I think would jump at the chance...................
surely you could grab enough sponsors to come up with a legit purse so be worth doing.............look at FormulaE......starting to get traction and names and companies involved
and be legit title...........almost I dare say better than AX
The Assumption that MX Sports or the AMA are Anti-Two-Stroke is jus' funny and very telling. Been to a GNCC race? Who sanctions and promotes those? Where you at Glen Helen? Have you been to Amateur Day at the Unadilla, Hangtown or Washougal tracks...THICK BLUE SMOKE!
Seriously, you guys and your presumed Martyrdom...well...you guys are FUNNY!
There's sooooo many of you. Make it HAPPEN. Ask DC some open questions on "how to"...I'll bet he'll do everything he can.
and only reason fro no AMA is to not have the stupid homoo rule so TM and Beta and any other mfg could race
would be awesome if MX sports could do it cause you know it would work
it would be great if MX sports could do it..........look what they have turned GNCC into...........a little testy ay
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No four strokes are permitted all weekend. Last season we had 240 entries over 2 days. the pro classes have been a big spectator draw on Sunday's. It's growing each season, becoming a must do event for more guys each season.
We sacrifice some entries for going "2 Stroke only" but it adds a mystique and atmosphere that is beyond special.
I've had several inquires about a series. It could be done. Is it viable for a promoter? I think it would be tough to turn a profit. You must charge a premium due to lower entries, It would have to be after the Nationals in order to draw any big names. You need names to draw spectators. A four race regional series would help eliminate the travel deal. Could it be done? Yes, if there is a will there is a way. We were informed by so called expert promoters that a 2 stroke only race would never work. It's been growing every year.
Some highlights from last years race:
https://youtu.be/9NGhtvT1guc
"The quickest way to a million dollars it to start with two million."
Like Disneyland, you don't want to work the gate, you want to go in and get excited about lifesize Mickey Mouse and shit. (I've never been, I don't know what the draw is)
Is that wrong? IDK. I ran a Remote Control Car track for a few years. Was it as fun as going to a big race and just racing? It can be MORE fun! It can also be a lot less but without a doubt it is a lot MORE WORK.
Our American dream is based on being in charge and not working with your hands. No one pictures Donald Trump getting dirty, unless it's in a pile of strippers and Coca-Cola.
to do the riders meeting in "full gear" because he was racing too...
The Other Races at the Nationals, "amateur", are I guess, up to the promoter... Davey has a deal for live TV
with the 250 & 450's on Saturdays in a 4 hour format... You all know that...
Click on link for full story, according to this the OEM's were "frightened" by the transworld results of 2010. This needs to be revisted with the introduction of FI...
As far as equal displacement just read this... Here's the link, I'm going to do a couple of screen shots too, because
some idiots think it's funny to link to a plumbing site...http://articles.superhunky.com/4/106
I know this was a waste of time for me because the Honda Lovers will say that Yamaha made the 1st modern 4 stroke...
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Have you spoken with the guy who runs Hog Heaven? He's always talking about a series. He seems to be passionate and have quite a bit of disposable income from the pig farming to "invest" into motocross. I don't know him, but it might be worth collaborating with him somehow.
Theres a 125 "dream race" at Washougal.
Your race at Sleepy Hollow (which i've hit ever year but 1)
FMF does one at GH every year
There's one in Massachusetts. Crow-something?
What I am getting at, is that there are already enough one-off twostroke races that if you just joined forces, it WOULD be a series.
Think ya might want to have a Production Class and a Special Build Class, tho.
What're ya gonna do with all those $10,000 "AF" bikes?
what is happening now on pro/national level won't change or why try to change.........like I mentioned formulaE..........just bring in a new ladder
yeah maybe there actually is 125, 250, and "open" class that would allow non production one offs..............but I would like 125 and 250 to be "stock" production so small mfg had somewhere to go..............
this could happen and be an avenue to keep 2 strokes relevant............could even help grow local stuff again
Which flies in the face of the fact that it took Honda -5- years to catch up to Yamaha in 4T technology and "speed".
It's a strange bunch, these 2 stroke conspiracy types.
basic format would 125's and 250 or open. and then your normal amateur classes. ie 30+ 40+ 50cc 65, 85 125 and 250. with the current races like SLEEPY HOLLOW, GLEN HELEN WORLD , WASHOUGAL 125 DREAM all that would be needed to make a good series is 5 more venues to make it good. then you can have east west regional 125 titles like AX and a premier class for open/250
really a two stroke series has no reason to be tied to the Pro AMA circuit. the old 4t series wasnt. really the main thing is having someone with money and ability to organize it
Pit Row
I'd break the country up into regions.. West, South, Southeast, East, North, and Midwest. Have four qualifiers in each region, then the top X riders go to two semis, one somewhere on the west, another on the east coast. Then a final championship round.
Wouldn't be less expensive for fast guys that advanced but would give more people a shot at competing.
We already know about the DC and Honda and California thing.
I think the OP just mentioned getting something like a couple of 2-stroke races together. Geez, chill out people. Get a grip!
Why not argue something real, like KTM's front fender - yuk. Why can't they get it right?!!!
I would love to see a 2 stroke series but think the rules getting changed in mx/sx might be the more possible oprion for 2 strokes. Coordinating a new series with a team of guys who run one off races sounds awesome but business partners are tough. It could work though with the right personalities and just a little cash!
these ones neither.
This video was obviously doctored somehow, because two strokes aren't ridden by pros anymore.
2014 champ Jimmy D on his 125
A shout out to Boyesen and FMF.
We keep it simple for the Shootout; 125 class 122cc-144cc 250's 250cc -open. both classes any frame/engine combo.
Yes Pastrana could run his 500cc zilla bike in the 250cc class
Benoit has lead every single lap of 6 of the last 8 motos. Yup, dead for sure.
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