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But when you look at things like this the UK is pretty amazing too... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death… I'm still trying to figure out how they're going to get bikes from Ukraine to Brazil in time to do any racing.

If PC simply sold pipes in the USA I could kind of let this fly on by - even though it's incredibly short sighted. Is Mitch Payton ready to sell up and retire I wonder? For me the problem is that we have retards in the UK who'll be buying these pipes because their "crosser" needs more power. They don't...

Here's a time lapse of a drawing. http://www.5twenty2.de/english/media-1/ Hope you don't mind me linking to it Merle.

Of course we could go by population count - in which case it's pretty similar and the results look like this (using just 3 riders to score points). Fairly pointless of course as USA only sent 3 (6) riders but on each occasion the top 3 EU riders out scored the top 3 US riders.

Go back to the 9/10 Suzuki information and the weights are lower (no fuel etc) - which is where the 224 came from. The FIM limit is with coolant/oils/air etc but without fuel. I'm pretty sure the new published weights from manufacturers include fuel - perhaps a set amount? Add in 10 litres of fuel and the GP bikes will...

FIM weight limit for 450F = 99kg = 217lb Ramon bike = 218lb Stock bike = 224lb (or there abouts) Reed bike = 239lb What on earth were they bolting to it to get it that heavy?