Really YOUTHSTREAM?!?! FIM WMX

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4/11/2011 8:10am
There are 25 girls in that old photo. Someone made mention that there are only 9 girls signed up for this series this years series?

Could be the reason they decided to run the old photo.
4/11/2011 8:23am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2011 8:23am
Maybe the future for you women is coming over here to the U.S.? You won't get live coverage though. Our men barely get that. Fiolek gets beat in Europe. Come add some depth to our field and make it a 4-6 way fight for overalls. You sure as hell know our women aren't coming over there. KTM has a team over here now, why not bring Laier? Fontanesi and Papenmeier are quick too. It's either that, or stay and complain. Those are the options right now for WMX racing at a professional level.
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4/11/2011 8:24am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2011 8:27am
i'm with Livy all the way.........what YS made to wmx this year was really bad, we all knew mx3 is dead, so to put the girls there is to kill their series too..........
there are a lot of young girls racing in the youth classes around the world, its hard for them to progress and make a sporting career in mx, a lot more support goes for the boys and it takes the girls the same effort to train and prepare as it does the boys, so to take the spotlight out of wmx is to put all does young girls in even bigger dificulties to get support.......
whats the point on keeping the veterans series in the gp schedual and dropping the woman...????? it gives some fun to a few old big names of the sport, they cruise around the track, have their picture taken and then go and have a beer with the mates.........and for that there are a lot of young and hard working atheletes, that really love the sport and help it grow......that are just put aside to where no one looks.......dont think its fair at all......!!!!!!!!!
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I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make it home for dinner. Let`s face it: watching slow riders is no fun at professional event, regardless of their sex

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4/11/2011 8:50am
How much do the womens teams have to pay to race the series?
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Sunhouse wrote:
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make...
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make it home for dinner. Let`s face it: watching slow riders is no fun at professional event, regardless of their sex
Moderator/Administer or GuyB, is this crossing the line for sexism?
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Sunhouse wrote:
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make...
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make it home for dinner. Let`s face it: watching slow riders is no fun at professional event, regardless of their sex
WMXLover wrote:
Moderator/Administer or GuyB, is this crossing the line for sexism?
irony...
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jmar wrote:
There are 25 girls in that old photo. Someone made mention that there are only 9 girls signed up for this series this years series? Could...
There are 25 girls in that old photo. Someone made mention that there are only 9 girls signed up for this series this years series?

Could be the reason they decided to run the old photo.
23 girls raced in Bulgaria.

'IF' only 9 girls have signed up permanently for this series (or even if there has been a significant drop in participants) that might explain Youthstreams decision to drop WMX from supporting most of the GPs?
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rileymx wrote:
i'm with Livy all the way.........what YS made to wmx this year was really bad, we all knew mx3 is dead, so to put the girls...
i'm with Livy all the way.........what YS made to wmx this year was really bad, we all knew mx3 is dead, so to put the girls there is to kill their series too..........
there are a lot of young girls racing in the youth classes around the world, its hard for them to progress and make a sporting career in mx, a lot more support goes for the boys and it takes the girls the same effort to train and prepare as it does the boys, so to take the spotlight out of wmx is to put all does young girls in even bigger dificulties to get support.......
whats the point on keeping the veterans series in the gp schedual and dropping the woman...????? it gives some fun to a few old big names of the sport, they cruise around the track, have their picture taken and then go and have a beer with the mates.........and for that there are a lot of young and hard working atheletes, that really love the sport and help it grow......that are just put aside to where no one looks.......dont think its fair at all......!!!!!!!!!
Thank you.....

The point for keeping vets is bc of money. Its all Giuseppe luongo cares about. That and saving his a$$ from politics. The only reason he keep the women is for Political reason. He said women get more exposure in mx3 but thats bullsh*t....who watches mx3?! No one.

But everyone defending Giuseppe only defend him bc just like MXmatt say:

"But stay loving them Jefro and Jamma otherwise you maybe lose your free tickets en presscards"

And to be kiss a$$ to GL bc they don't want to be on bad side or just to be good politicians. Angry
It's not working bc FIM notice this bad stuff YS do.

Karma.........karma always comes back, good and bad.
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4/11/2011 9:16am
jmar wrote:
There are 25 girls in that old photo. Someone made mention that there are only 9 girls signed up for this series this years series? Could...
There are 25 girls in that old photo. Someone made mention that there are only 9 girls signed up for this series this years series?

Could be the reason they decided to run the old photo.
jamma10 wrote:
23 girls raced in Bulgaria. 'IF' only 9 girls have signed up permanently for this series (or even if there has been a significant drop in...
23 girls raced in Bulgaria.

'IF' only 9 girls have signed up permanently for this series (or even if there has been a significant drop in participants) that might explain Youthstreams decision to drop WMX from supporting most of the GPs?
It's actually the other way around.

Giuseppe drop the girls bc he say he did not make money from them (bc he did not promote them correctly), then the big sponsors of us, like Red Bull KTM, Kawasaki, etc say they can't afford to go to all mx3 races, it would be better if we were in mx1/2 races, so we as women riders will not and can not pay from our pocket to race rest of the series.

Since the final decision was to move the WMX with mx3, all the women lost their support they used to have, factory support, which is why the drop of participants. No money to go to the races for championship that does not give exposure to sponsors.

Make sense?
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4/11/2011 9:23am
Well, I'm just a guy who loves to take photos of MX racing at the highest level who doesn't care about the politics.
GuyB gave me the chance of doing that for Vital and if taking GP pictures means that I have to wear a bib with YS logo then so be it. I don't care.
I think that is a contribution to the sport we all love and sure is better then sit behind your computer and bitch about every little thing Luongo did not handle according to your satisfactory.
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4/11/2011 9:25am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2011 9:32am
I won x2 tickets to the 500cc Hawkstone GP in a DBR magazine competition when I was about 12 yrs old, but I've never been offered a free ticket or press pass in my life!!

Listen, I understand your frustrations WMXLover and despite what Sunhouse and others may say, I would prefer it if the WMX championship remained on the GP schedule! I agree that MX3 is pointless, nobody is interested in it, it holds no value and seems to be a waste of time/money which could be much better spent by investing in the Womens series and other aspects of the sport.

I treat individual points of discussions on their own merits, but I also take quite a pragmatic view of things where YS are involved.
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4/11/2011 9:31am
WMXLover wrote:
It's actually the other way around. Giuseppe drop the girls bc he say he did not make money from them (bc he did not promote them...
It's actually the other way around.

Giuseppe drop the girls bc he say he did not make money from them (bc he did not promote them correctly), then the big sponsors of us, like Red Bull KTM, Kawasaki, etc say they can't afford to go to all mx3 races, it would be better if we were in mx1/2 races, so we as women riders will not and can not pay from our pocket to race rest of the series.

Since the final decision was to move the WMX with mx3, all the women lost their support they used to have, factory support, which is why the drop of participants. No money to go to the races for championship that does not give exposure to sponsors.

Make sense?
It makes perfect sense, and I feel very sorry for everyone involved in trying to push Womens racing forward as it appeared to really be taking off in the last few years. Im also a big fan of Natalie Kane. I wish you had started the thread specifically about that, instead of picking fault with a small photograph which is really quite a trivial issue - there are many possible reasons why that picture was used.
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Sunhouse wrote:
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make...
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make it home for dinner. Let`s face it: watching slow riders is no fun at professional event, regardless of their sex
WMXLover wrote:
Moderator/Administer or GuyB, is this crossing the line for sexism?
You´re not doing the WMX any favors. Acting like a turd over minor issues and seemingly representing an already struggling championship is causing them more damage than good.

Luongo is trying to put on a good show, and more people follow the EMX than the WMX. NAturally he tries to give the more popular series the exposure they can, and the fans what they want.

Causing all this over a non-issue is IMO ridiculous.
4/11/2011 10:26am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2012 4:07pm
Sunhouse wrote:
The new talent has everything to do with YS. The tracks today are up to par with the American tracks, and the riders today have way...
The new talent has everything to do with YS. The tracks today are up to par with the American tracks, and the riders today have way more technical skills than 15 years ago. And this is needed to adapt to the new tracks.

Look at how embarrassingly bad the tracks were back in 1996 for example. San Marino, Roggenburg, etc, etc. The list goes on. they were little more than fields with a few natural bumps. Today the paddock, tracks and presentation is way better, and still improving.

Heck, look at 2001 and Dorna - now THAT was a disgrace. Luckily YS picked up the pieces and are trying to put them back together.

The way the riders have to pay their way to teams, or be picked up is just the wau it is done in many other motorsports. WRC, STCC, F1 etc. comes to mind. Same thing is happening in US MX/SX
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4/11/2011 10:36am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2011 10:37am
Sunhouse wrote:
The new talent has everything to do with YS. The tracks today are up to par with the American tracks, and the riders today have way...
The new talent has everything to do with YS. The tracks today are up to par with the American tracks, and the riders today have way more technical skills than 15 years ago. And this is needed to adapt to the new tracks.

Look at how embarrassingly bad the tracks were back in 1996 for example. San Marino, Roggenburg, etc, etc. The list goes on. they were little more than fields with a few natural bumps. Today the paddock, tracks and presentation is way better, and still improving.

Heck, look at 2001 and Dorna - now THAT was a disgrace. Luckily YS picked up the pieces and are trying to put them back together.

The way the riders have to pay their way to teams, or be picked up is just the wau it is done in many other motorsports. WRC, STCC, F1 etc. comes to mind. Same thing is happening in US MX/SX
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You do realize YS had a saying in the design of many of the tracks on the circuit today? The harder to get a ride, the better the competition the more effort will have to be made by the riders and their surroundings. It´s like the butterfly effect. I can take ONE look at MX in Norway today as opposed to 15 years ago and it´s hard to compare the amount of effort put in today. Tracks are redesigned and made more technical, the racing is better etc. The people involved however aren´t that many more compared to back then. The level of our top riders though, is way better IMO.

https://youtu.be/XGGE_8O2ljk
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LOVE your honesty, and you have my RESPECT! Many thumbs up.. Wink
How many thumbs do you have? Wink
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Sunhouse wrote:
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make...
I`m glad the WMX is moved away from the MX1 and MX2. That makes it easier for me to stay and watch the EMX125 AND make it home for dinner. Let`s face it: watching slow riders is no fun at professional event, regardless of their sex
X2...sorry but it is painful at times. its just like most other women's sport not appealing and too slow. look at the WNBA, Women's Professional Soccer, softball, no one cares nobody is watching. thank god for Title IX.
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rileymx wrote:
i'm with Livy all the way.........what YS made to wmx this year was really bad, we all knew mx3 is dead, so to put the girls...
i'm with Livy all the way.........what YS made to wmx this year was really bad, we all knew mx3 is dead, so to put the girls there is to kill their series too..........
there are a lot of young girls racing in the youth classes around the world, its hard for them to progress and make a sporting career in mx, a lot more support goes for the boys and it takes the girls the same effort to train and prepare as it does the boys, so to take the spotlight out of wmx is to put all does young girls in even bigger dificulties to get support.......
whats the point on keeping the veterans series in the gp schedual and dropping the woman...????? it gives some fun to a few old big names of the sport, they cruise around the track, have their picture taken and then go and have a beer with the mates.........and for that there are a lot of young and hard working atheletes, that really love the sport and help it grow......that are just put aside to where no one looks.......dont think its fair at all......!!!!!!!!!
WMXLover wrote:
Thank you..... The point for keeping vets is bc of money. Its all Giuseppe luongo cares about. That and saving his a$$ from politics. The only...
Thank you.....

The point for keeping vets is bc of money. Its all Giuseppe luongo cares about. That and saving his a$$ from politics. The only reason he keep the women is for Political reason. He said women get more exposure in mx3 but thats bullsh*t....who watches mx3?! No one.

But everyone defending Giuseppe only defend him bc just like MXmatt say:

"But stay loving them Jefro and Jamma otherwise you maybe lose your free tickets en presscards"

And to be kiss a$$ to GL bc they don't want to be on bad side or just to be good politicians. Angry
It's not working bc FIM notice this bad stuff YS do.

Karma.........karma always comes back, good and bad.
From my perspective I prefer WMX over any veteransrace. I think the top 10 rides really well, doing most of the jumps on the different tracks etc. I remember when Livia crasched really hard on the tabletop just before the finish in Sweden and just got back on the bike and finished. The skills of the riders top 5 (and almost the speed as well) would see them score point among the best swedish guys. They certainly would beat a lot of the veterans.

Regarding EMX 125 the ride twostrokes and for me they are the main attraction...

Bring back twostrokes, the girls and while we're at it I want 377 and Pichon back on their respective bikes (KX125 and RM250)

The girls and television make mx a bigger sport. That's good. Internet only and veterans race doesn't.

I think most of the guys hating on fast girls are intimidated by the fact they would beat them on the track...am I right? =)
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Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King Brothers, Smets on Husaberg, Jacky Martens on Husky, and stuff like that. But know it is just an other cool money cow (don't know if that is a word in English but it is in my country)
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MXMattii wrote:
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King...
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King Brothers, Smets on Husaberg, Jacky Martens on Husky, and stuff like that. But know it is just an other cool money cow (don't know if that is a word in English but it is in my country)
I agree authentic bikes would add another dimension.
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MXMattii wrote:
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King...
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King Brothers, Smets on Husaberg, Jacky Martens on Husky, and stuff like that. But know it is just an other cool money cow (don't know if that is a word in English but it is in my country)
themrtoad wrote:
I agree authentic bikes would add another dimension.
The week after the MXdN at St Jean D'Angeley in September you guys need to head straight to Farleigh Castle here in the UK...

Veterans Motocross des Nations
4/12/2011 1:20am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2012 4:07pm
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this is exactly the point of this argument........when the gp's had wmx you could see a lot of girls in the main teams, racing equal bikes to the boys, there were about 35 girls per race and the best were progressing good.......also there were a lot of woman line products coming from major brands, which can only do good for the mx business......and most of all the presence of a girl series was very important on the image of the sport and helped a lot to bring it mainstream.....
now besides the youth classes we have a vet class for a few old friends....last year only less then 10 vets raced all races, most of them are really not that known or remembered and can't even race, they just ride around, its so much of a showing that everybody would prefer if they came on their old bike.......i guess gp's are supposed to be the world best mx, wmx were girls best mx, vets are just an exabition..........
i think dropping wmx makes the mx business lose alot, and dont see how vets can give earnings to the organizers.......i think its all politics and plain old ass licking...!!!!!!!
also since it is YS that choses who can race and have a permanent place on the grid, maybe the best girls would put some of their clients in a strange position...... being the same track laptimes are comperable...!!!!!!!
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MXMattii wrote:
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King...
Veterans would be cool if they where riding old bikes and it where the guys like Werner De Wit and Bervoets on Winfield Suzuki.., the King Brothers, Smets on Husaberg, Jacky Martens on Husky, and stuff like that. But know it is just an other cool money cow (don't know if that is a word in English but it is in my country)
We say Cash Cow. Vets on old bikes is a great idea but they wouldn't work with the modern SX inspire style jumps, table tops etc.

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