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You are entitled to sue, when things that shouldn't be a thing in the first place still are still a thing.
Mixing riders (size, speed), shouldn't be a thing. After 25 years that isn't a misdemeanor. It's gross negligence. No waiver in my opinion should free you from that.
It is as backwards and out of date as driving car without seatbelt. You just don't do it, because you know the risks. Still, it had to be put in law becase people is slow. Splitting up riders, shall and hopefully will be made as mandatory. If you don't do it as a track owner, you pay the consequences when shit goes wrong (no valid insurance if accidents occur).
Ok, I lost you at “entitled to sue” 👎🏼
We are on different wave lengths, I’m out….
Godspeed little one, praying for his family and all those involved. We could go on and on about how things are ran, but at the end of the day, some parents are having to deal with the nightmare of burying their little one. I couldn’t imagine having to go thru that with my son. Hopefully lessons are learned and people see things differently, but just praying for those involved.
To me it's not about the suing but it is about accountability and change. You can damn sure bet that track has a system in place to ensure no one gets in the front gate without paying. But do they have a system in place to ensure that big bikes don't get on a track with little bikes?
Apparently, they don't, or if they do it just isn't as important to reinforce as taking money at the gate is.
But as many in here will say, actually do say, it's just the dad's fault. Carry on and don't worry about implementing any changes.
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Mixing bikes is as fucking bad today as placing a water truck in the middle of the racing line. Shit will happen, not a question of if, but how often.
If we mixed small bikes and big bikes, we will would get yelled at and would be called idiots. That has been the norm for 25 year's. That's how far from normal this should be anywhere.
I may have missed something but have the actual sequence of events come out about this horrible tragedy seems to be a lot of judgment going on and nobody really knows what happened other than a little child got killed?
I know the post that crossed the threshold.
And I support you. My reply went with it.
Thank you
My deepest condolences to the family of the little one. Do I think it's common sense to not allow minis and big bikes on the track at the same time? Of course. But having had my own track I'll also say that enforcing that is a whole other discussion. And typically, at least in my experience, it's not the big bikes that are the ones ignoring the rule. Most of the time, again in my experience, the minis don't want to practice with slower minis (or the minis parents) because it's not racy enough. So how do you really enforce that? Often practices are unsupervised or there's a feeling like it's ok for one fast kid who's trying to get to Loretta's, etc.etc. it's not quite as simple in reality as some would like it to seem. Just my opinion though.
Actions and consequences. Break the rules you go home.
1 person for oversight. Cameras are cheap today.
One of my pro friends did a practise start at WW ranch in his first session for the day. That was the end of his day. And he was frequently there. He ain't making that mistake again.
"Also, I didn't say it's someone else's responsibility. I said it's the tracks owner's responsibility as to who is allowed on the track and when". Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?"
No, my reading comprehension is fine. Maybe I misunderstood "ULTIMATELY" it's the track owners and managers who are responsible for who is allowed on the track and when. To me the safety of a child "ultimately" lies on the parents. Just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
I'd show you the post(s) that made me think you were suggesting suing the track, but you either deleted or edited the posts, so .... not an option.
I see your point, I do. Something needs to change and you think (or at least it seems like you do from your missing and or edited posts) that suing the track is the only option to get their attention to the seriousness of the problem. And who knows maybe it is. But the problem with suing the tracks as we are all too well aware of is then they disappear and we have one less place to ride. We don't even know the details, yet people are jumping on the sue the track bandwagon. Maybe the track tried ? Suing tracks until they disappear isn't the fix we need. I know we're on the same page, no one wants to see this ever happen again, period. I don't know what the answer is, like someone else mentioned, even if there are rules in place it doesn't guarantee everyone will follow them. So what do we do ? What solutions besides lawyering up are there ? I have 4 grandkids that are all amped to ride, this scares the absolute shit out of me.
First off, RIP little man. Such a tragic story and horrible to hear.
As another UK rider, I find it absolutely baffling that big and small bikes are still mixed. It very rarely happens here.
There was 1 occasion I encountered when they ran mixed a group. It was a new ish practice club, most of the day had been run, every class had gotten 4 sessions and around 50% of the paddock had gone home. The organiser decided to run open session for the last 30 mins. I went out, had a somewhat close call (wasn't that close but close enough to make me pucker up majorly) with a little guy on a 50cc, pulled straight off the track. The organiser received multiple complaints and it never happened again.
That one brief experience put me off completely. How there are adults that happily ride on a track regularly with little bikes is just as confusing to me. It's not a question of IF, but WHEN.
Here's my main question, why DO they run mixed sessions, what is the benefit? Money? Finish riding a little earlier?
I would rather wait, ride at set times with people of my bike size and skill level, than risk ending the life of a younger rider.
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You must be confusing me with someone else; I absolutely never said anything about suing the track. I'm 60 years old and have never considered suing anyone in my life, I'm far from one of these people that go around trying to sue everyone. As far as the parents being ultimately responsible, of course they are, but there is only so much they can do. For all we know it was an organized practice, and the dad was doing everything right and somehow big bikes got on the track before his son had gotten off. So, to sit here without the facts and say "it's the parent's fault" when all the facts aren't known is just irresponsible. Just because this is a sport everyone on this board loves everyone quickly wants to protect track owners and point fingers at the parents.
My god the parents just lost a small child and people here want to say "its the parents responsibility". If in fact it was the parents' responsibility every time a child got injured or killed at a track do you know what that would do to this industry?? There would be no more kids racing!
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