New Rule for Non-Moto (No Politics for the Immediate Future)

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10/3/2026 3:30pm
sumdood wrote:

One of the most iconic practical jokes of the last 40 years.... PUBLIC, too. 🤣

Industry grapevine said a college intern at this TV station -- keep in  mind, this was in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, lots of clever computer nerds around  -- hacked into the news muppet's teleprompter and she read it word for word, like Ron Burgundy "Go fuck yourself, San Diego" 🤣

The shit part was, I referenced this event n a random conversation with a colleague years afterwards, and a vindictive co-worker who hated me because I'd exposed him as a bullshitter,  overheard it and turned me in to HR for "making ray-ciss statements". 

I had to go to a HR tribunal, and printed out this exact picture beforehand. When the HR nazi started in on me, I pulled the print out of my bag and put it on the table in front of her, no comment. Long story short, it cost the toxic corporation way.... WAY over six zeroes 🤣

Still a classic!

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10/6/2026 10:23am

There is no denying that the ban on political discussions have calmed NonMoto down. This place has turned into a ghost town.

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10/6/2026 11:12am

There is no denying that the ban on political discussions have calmed NonMoto down. This place has turned into a ghost town.

I’m actually really liking it this way.

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10/6/2026 12:21pm

Well it's not always the subject matter.

It's the subjects.

Scanning the data center thread will show you a few who need to get a cheap motel room, and take their little slap boxing match elsewhere. 

 

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Well it's not always the subject matter.It's the subjects.Scanning the data center thread will show you a few who need to get a cheap motel room...

Well it's not always the subject matter.

It's the subjects.

Scanning the data center thread will show you a few who need to get a cheap motel room, and take their little slap boxing match elsewhere. 

 

I get a kick outta Droopy thinking he knows how I think.

Priceless!

You Can Not Make That Shit Up! 🤣

 

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10/6/2026 3:52pm

Less threads started, which were just put out there to argue. 

But more posts in the threads that are primarily fun or genuinely interesting for all without the screaming into the void rhetoric.

It's a good change, IMO.

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10/6/2026 4:56pm

Yep, I’m sure that certain posters are cursing ML 512 for doing this since all they appear to want is to spread negativity and divide people. 

It’s a welcome change, IMO.

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ShellyMX wrote:
Yep, I’m sure that certain posters are cursing ML 512 for doing this since all they appear to want is to spread negativity and divide people. It’s...

Yep, I’m sure that certain posters are cursing ML 512 for doing this since all they appear to want is to spread negativity and divide people. 

It’s a welcome change, IMO.

Idk there’s really interesting and major stuff happening regularly and not being able to discuss is lame.


But totally understand how it gets needlessly nasty.

 

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30minmotos wrote:

Idk there’s really interesting and major stuff happening regularly and not being able to discuss is lame.


But totally understand how it gets needlessly nasty.

 

Well, that’s just it. The majority of the folks discussing and arguing their alleged points (usually from the left) are seemingly impervious to logic in the form of constructive discussions presented to them. No matter how they portray themselves to be in the ‘middle’ per se,  there is always, not usually, always, a hidden agenda that reveals itself, 

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10/6/2026 5:22pm
sumdood wrote:
One of the most iconic practical jokes of the last 40 years.... PUBLIC, too. 🤣Industry grapevine said a college intern at this TV station -- keep...

One of the most iconic practical jokes of the last 40 years.... PUBLIC, too. 🤣

Industry grapevine said a college intern at this TV station -- keep in  mind, this was in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, lots of clever computer nerds around  -- hacked into the news muppet's teleprompter and she read it word for word, like Ron Burgundy "Go fuck yourself, San Diego" 🤣

The shit part was, I referenced this event n a random conversation with a colleague years afterwards, and a vindictive co-worker who hated me because I'd exposed him as a bullshitter,  overheard it and turned me in to HR for "making ray-ciss statements". 

I had to go to a HR tribunal, and printed out this exact picture beforehand. When the HR nazi started in on me, I pulled the print out of my bag and put it on the table in front of her, no comment. Long story short, it cost the toxic corporation way.... WAY over six zeroes 🤣

Still a classic!

Why the downvotes and what does it cost them way over 7 zeros mean? You sued them?

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10/7/2026 4:33am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2026 4:36am
30minmotos wrote:

Idk there’s really interesting and major stuff happening regularly and not being able to discuss is lame.


But totally understand how it gets needlessly nasty.

 

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.

Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.

And with part of the county inside the expanding oakridge laboratory circle, with the news of small reactors being developed, trying to ensure local labor is used in the construction process. 

 

You'd think it would be two subjects bringing everyone in the community together. 

But no, you have the same types, you see here, that can't see the forest for the ideological trees blocking their view.

And just like here, they're the one's getting online foaming at the mouth.

 

All you can do is, laugh at their derangement syndrome and move on.

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10/7/2026 7:52am
30minmotos wrote:

Idk there’s really interesting and major stuff happening regularly and not being able to discuss is lame.


But totally understand how it gets needlessly nasty.

 

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.And with part of the county...

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.

Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.

And with part of the county inside the expanding oakridge laboratory circle, with the news of small reactors being developed, trying to ensure local labor is used in the construction process. 

 

You'd think it would be two subjects bringing everyone in the community together. 

But no, you have the same types, you see here, that can't see the forest for the ideological trees blocking their view.

And just like here, they're the one's getting online foaming at the mouth.

 

All you can do is, laugh at their derangement syndrome and move on.

I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias is inevitably present and controlling). Coming from CA there are dozens of examples of this turning out badly for the citizens with constant missed construction deadlines and cost over runs because the politicos bow to campaign contributions and union endorsements in a quid pro quo of scratching each other's backs for personal and career advancement/enrichment.

The Bullet train to nowhere is a prime example of what happens when gov't picks winners and losers ahead of time while locking out fair competition.

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10/7/2026 8:32am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2026 8:36am
30minmotos wrote:

Idk there’s really interesting and major stuff happening regularly and not being able to discuss is lame.


But totally understand how it gets needlessly nasty.

 

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.And with part of the county...

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.

Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.

And with part of the county inside the expanding oakridge laboratory circle, with the news of small reactors being developed, trying to ensure local labor is used in the construction process. 

 

You'd think it would be two subjects bringing everyone in the community together. 

But no, you have the same types, you see here, that can't see the forest for the ideological trees blocking their view.

And just like here, they're the one's getting online foaming at the mouth.

 

All you can do is, laugh at their derangement syndrome and move on.

RDnutz wrote:
I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias...

I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias is inevitably present and controlling). Coming from CA there are dozens of examples of this turning out badly for the citizens with constant missed construction deadlines and cost over runs because the politicos bow to campaign contributions and union endorsements in a quid pro quo of scratching each other's backs for personal and career advancement/enrichment.

The Bullet train to nowhere is a prime example of what happens when gov't picks winners and losers ahead of time while locking out fair competition.

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's just the way it is in there)

There is enough skilled people around here to fill those positions, either from the local hall, or via permits.

And not have to recruit workers from out of state. 

 

Being an independent contractor for most of my career, I'm not all that pro union. But at the same time, I've worked union jobs with a permit.

And some construction projects you definitely don't want yokels. Or trainees.

You want those who can get the job done. And done right the first time.

Right now there's a rare opportunity for qualified workers to get their foot in the door of a very lucrative career in the labs. Even after construction is complete, there's going to be a new maintenance workforce needed.

(If I were younger...)

 

That's one of the discussions online.

And then discussions get invaded by those around here with barely the skills to flip burgers, griping about shit they know nothing about.

And then blaming whatever politician, or party they've been told to hate, for their lack of viable skills. 

And it's the same handful of clowns over and over again. 

Sound familiar  ??

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10/7/2026 10:22am
There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.And with part of the county...

There's a few things going on in the county I live in, at the moment.

Controling growth, and maintaining the rural areas.

And with part of the county inside the expanding oakridge laboratory circle, with the news of small reactors being developed, trying to ensure local labor is used in the construction process. 

 

You'd think it would be two subjects bringing everyone in the community together. 

But no, you have the same types, you see here, that can't see the forest for the ideological trees blocking their view.

And just like here, they're the one's getting online foaming at the mouth.

 

All you can do is, laugh at their derangement syndrome and move on.

RDnutz wrote:
I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias...

I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias is inevitably present and controlling). Coming from CA there are dozens of examples of this turning out badly for the citizens with constant missed construction deadlines and cost over runs because the politicos bow to campaign contributions and union endorsements in a quid pro quo of scratching each other's backs for personal and career advancement/enrichment.

The Bullet train to nowhere is a prime example of what happens when gov't picks winners and losers ahead of time while locking out fair competition.

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's...

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's just the way it is in there)

There is enough skilled people around here to fill those positions, either from the local hall, or via permits.

And not have to recruit workers from out of state. 

 

Being an independent contractor for most of my career, I'm not all that pro union. But at the same time, I've worked union jobs with a permit.

And some construction projects you definitely don't want yokels. Or trainees.

You want those who can get the job done. And done right the first time.

Right now there's a rare opportunity for qualified workers to get their foot in the door of a very lucrative career in the labs. Even after construction is complete, there's going to be a new maintenance workforce needed.

(If I were younger...)

 

That's one of the discussions online.

And then discussions get invaded by those around here with barely the skills to flip burgers, griping about shit they know nothing about.

And then blaming whatever politician, or party they've been told to hate, for their lack of viable skills. 

And it's the same handful of clowns over and over again. 

Sound familiar  ??

I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they can't offer the same service or same price, that's a different story. Should outside contractors be required to pay local prevailing wage as part of their contract bid. The answer is probably yes so it's economical to hire local labor vs bringing in out of state labor. Why not spend our tax dollars on our people? Are we getting close to political here?

TM

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10/7/2026 11:01am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2026 11:06am
ToolMaker wrote:
I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they...

I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they can't offer the same service or same price, that's a different story. Should outside contractors be required to pay local prevailing wage as part of their contract bid. The answer is probably yes so it's economical to hire local labor vs bringing in out of state labor. Why not spend our tax dollars on our people? Are we getting close to political here?

TM

Kind of like when an area is under the urban sprawl cycle. 

Fast food, chain stores etc... start popping up. 

And the companies that have been building those places across the country, come in with their own proven crews, throw the places up and move on. Local labor never has a chance. 

 

A huge issue around here now is, a rural area they're trying to rezone for housing, and the out of town contractor (pulte) being rumored to be the one's getting the contract to build. Bringing on their own crews.

There's a big grassroots movement to keep the area rural farmland. 

Problem is, the families who inherited the land sees big $$$, and no sense of quality of life. 

Nearby Knox county literally plowed off beautiful wooded ridgetop land, terraced off the slopes, and built countless cookie cutter homes and condos. Absolutely hideous. 

Residents here are fighting tooth and nail to keep that from happening here.

 

Edit:

Nowadays everything is a political topic. Even Chase leaving Kawasaki. 

😉

 

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10/7/2026 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2026 1:09pm
RDnutz wrote:
I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias...

I'm with you on everything except trying to ensure local labor is used in construction. It should be open bidding and not "ensuring" (meaning gov't bias is inevitably present and controlling). Coming from CA there are dozens of examples of this turning out badly for the citizens with constant missed construction deadlines and cost over runs because the politicos bow to campaign contributions and union endorsements in a quid pro quo of scratching each other's backs for personal and career advancement/enrichment.

The Bullet train to nowhere is a prime example of what happens when gov't picks winners and losers ahead of time while locking out fair competition.

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's...

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's just the way it is in there)

There is enough skilled people around here to fill those positions, either from the local hall, or via permits.

And not have to recruit workers from out of state. 

 

Being an independent contractor for most of my career, I'm not all that pro union. But at the same time, I've worked union jobs with a permit.

And some construction projects you definitely don't want yokels. Or trainees.

You want those who can get the job done. And done right the first time.

Right now there's a rare opportunity for qualified workers to get their foot in the door of a very lucrative career in the labs. Even after construction is complete, there's going to be a new maintenance workforce needed.

(If I were younger...)

 

That's one of the discussions online.

And then discussions get invaded by those around here with barely the skills to flip burgers, griping about shit they know nothing about.

And then blaming whatever politician, or party they've been told to hate, for their lack of viable skills. 

And it's the same handful of clowns over and over again. 

Sound familiar  ??

ToolMaker wrote:
I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they...

I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they can't offer the same service or same price, that's a different story. Should outside contractors be required to pay local prevailing wage as part of their contract bid. The answer is probably yes so it's economical to hire local labor vs bringing in out of state labor. Why not spend our tax dollars on our people? Are we getting close to political here?

TM

I can’t speak for other trades, but in the IBEW out of state elections make whatever the local jurisdiction they are working in pays. If a contractor is out of state then they would bid the job accordingly. For instance right now in Seattle Local 46 a journeyman is making $76 and some change. Many of the brothers from 46 went to Idaho because the halls over there are a walk thru and 46 has been really slow going on 4 years now. Anyway I believe over there, wages are much lower, I’m not certain but I think it’s in the high 40s low 50s. So irregardless weather, the contractors are outta state or local, if they use union labor they pay the rate that , that local in that jurisdiction is paying . Of course if the contractor needs more man power than the local has , then the call goes out asking for out of state union labor and they offer per diem and overtime to entice out of state workers/ travelers to come there.

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10/7/2026 1:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2026 1:40pm
sumdood wrote:
One of the most iconic practical jokes of the last 40 years.... PUBLIC, too. 🤣Industry grapevine said a college intern at this TV station -- keep...

One of the most iconic practical jokes of the last 40 years.... PUBLIC, too. 🤣

Industry grapevine said a college intern at this TV station -- keep in  mind, this was in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, lots of clever computer nerds around  -- hacked into the news muppet's teleprompter and she read it word for word, like Ron Burgundy "Go fuck yourself, San Diego" 🤣

The shit part was, I referenced this event n a random conversation with a colleague years afterwards, and a vindictive co-worker who hated me because I'd exposed him as a bullshitter,  overheard it and turned me in to HR for "making ray-ciss statements". 

I had to go to a HR tribunal, and printed out this exact picture beforehand. When the HR nazi started in on me, I pulled the print out of my bag and put it on the table in front of her, no comment. Long story short, it cost the toxic corporation way.... WAY over six zeroes 🤣

Still a classic!

Why the downvotes and what does it cost them way over 7 zeros mean? You sued them?

Oh who knows.... who cares? 🤣

No, I turned their game on them. HR tried the usual attack and it backfired. They hadn't done their homework, I had a joker in my pack they were unaware of 🤣  It got one step away from a $100 million Federal discrimination lawsuit..... and the "problem" suddenly went away.  

Let's just, say, I had a looong vacation at max pay. Still do, in fact 😁

 

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10/7/2026 2:11pm
Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's...

Everything over in the ORNL is union, or permit, labor. And pretty much locked in with long time contractor's with a history at the plants. (That's just the way it is in there)

There is enough skilled people around here to fill those positions, either from the local hall, or via permits.

And not have to recruit workers from out of state. 

 

Being an independent contractor for most of my career, I'm not all that pro union. But at the same time, I've worked union jobs with a permit.

And some construction projects you definitely don't want yokels. Or trainees.

You want those who can get the job done. And done right the first time.

Right now there's a rare opportunity for qualified workers to get their foot in the door of a very lucrative career in the labs. Even after construction is complete, there's going to be a new maintenance workforce needed.

(If I were younger...)

 

That's one of the discussions online.

And then discussions get invaded by those around here with barely the skills to flip burgers, griping about shit they know nothing about.

And then blaming whatever politician, or party they've been told to hate, for their lack of viable skills. 

And it's the same handful of clowns over and over again. 

Sound familiar  ??

ToolMaker wrote:
I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they...

I'm all for giving local companies the nod if they can offer the same product at the same cost as out of state contractor. If they can't offer the same service or same price, that's a different story. Should outside contractors be required to pay local prevailing wage as part of their contract bid. The answer is probably yes so it's economical to hire local labor vs bringing in out of state labor. Why not spend our tax dollars on our people? Are we getting close to political here?

TM

I can’t speak for other trades, but in the IBEW out of state elections make whatever the local jurisdiction they are working in pays. If a...

I can’t speak for other trades, but in the IBEW out of state elections make whatever the local jurisdiction they are working in pays. If a contractor is out of state then they would bid the job accordingly. For instance right now in Seattle Local 46 a journeyman is making $76 and some change. Many of the brothers from 46 went to Idaho because the halls over there are a walk thru and 46 has been really slow going on 4 years now. Anyway I believe over there, wages are much lower, I’m not certain but I think it’s in the high 40s low 50s. So irregardless weather, the contractors are outta state or local, if they use union labor they pay the rate that , that local in that jurisdiction is paying . Of course if the contractor needs more man power than the local has , then the call goes out asking for out of state union labor and they offer per diem and overtime to entice out of state workers/ travelers to come there.

Point being, some contractors have people on speed dial that just do what they need. Sometimes at a much lower rate than what a local employee might get paid from a local contractor. My best friend, he got his start in self employment with a contract with "Southland Corp". They were the outfit that built 7/11s. So whenever a new 7/11 was built, the same group of people would travel to that destination, build it, and go home. However, nobody was union, they were all subcontractors so they got paid a set amount for the work they did. It was all cookie cutter stuff and you got really fast doing the same ting over and over. So, you could make a lot of $$s, but if you were new, you were quite slow and got paid not many $$s till you got up to speed. So many work arounds!

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