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Yeah, I didn't mean to be condescending. I re-read your post...I missed a lot of sleep last night.
The thing that bothers me the most about these data centers is the blatant lie about how many jobs they will create. You look at those parking lots and they're all very small and very empty.
You didn't come off as condescending at all. I appreciate discussion.
Yes, after they are built they become relative ghost towns. The earliest ones in Eastern Washington seem to employ a few more people than originally thought, but even that isn't all that many.
Here's the parking lots of a Microsoft Data Campus being built versus one that is built and operating. The top picture is from Malaga, WA, and the bottom picture is right across the river in East Wenatchee, WA. They are both MS owned campuses. The Malaga campus is planned on being something like 6 or 8 different buildings, but the picture is from them working on Building 2 I think.
I worked as a building maintenance engineer for multiple high rise buildings in Downtown SLC, the floors that had data rooms (Goldman Sachs, Key Bank etc) were ALWAYS extremely hot and had to be separated with their own additional mini split units on top of the buildings cooling tower to keep the floor at optimal temps.
Refrigerated warehouses / storing facilities are amonia based cooling units.
The amount of water these proposed data centers are going to use is insane, and the way the counties and powers that be are going about enabling them to be built is straight up immoral.
https://www.ksl.com/article/mona-residents-file-appeal-seeking-to-overturn-approval-of-data-center-project/51624497?_gl=1*1gwo5dz*_gcl_au*MTAwNjA0ODc0NS4xNzg4MDkyODM4Li0uLS4xNzg4MTE2ODA0LjUwNzQ3NDIwNy4xNzkwNTIxNzQ5LjE3OTA1OTc2Njg.*_ga*ODk0OTQyMDgzLjE3NjI2OTM3NzE.*_ga_JW89DL7T5D*czE3OTA2MzcwOTUkbzE5NyRnMSR0MTc5MDYzNzEwMyRqNTIkbDAkaDA.
Sounds like data centers are a good way to combat the “rising seas”…no?
All the areas that are going to be under water in 10 years…..we should put the data centers there..they can consume that water..
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Sincerely hope this is tongue in cheek comment.
Good thing there haven't been any super rich tech bros that have talked about reducing the global population or anything. Maybe they're not planning for us to be here to consume water.
Uncle Bill was just talking about AI producing a super virus...
I just hope we can all come to a consensus that the government is just a corrupt mess and we are not voting our way out of it at this point. 39+ trillion in debt with no end in sight, time for a real regime change.
It’s been officially changed to Super Intelligence!!😂
“It’s Going By The Book.”
-Johnny Cash
It’s almost as if you want to hold a certain founder of Microsoft accountable for the things he’s said and done?!
What the hell!
Are you crazy?!🤣
Now, back to the narrative…
Date Centers! They’re a new and scary occurrence in the world of information and data processing/storage. Right?
uh, no.
How about ENIAC in ‘45 and the THOUSANDS of centers built since then.
Data Centers…
OVER EIGHTY FUCKING YEARS OF DATA CENTERS.
WHAT THE FUCK?!
That’s 80. As in 8 times 10…?
Hey, I know! Let’s store all our shit in the Magical Cloud! 🤣 And then let’s bitch about it!
You’ll have to forgive as I continuously laugh at the…
Suddenly Aware.
But, I digress…or, do I?
Um, dude, the old 20-50mw storage/processing centers are not these. 1gw campus' the size of Manhattan individually using as much power as a million person city relying on GPU's to process chatbots and deepfakes so Scammy and Scario can keep conning people. That's what we're talking about. The small ones? Sure, put 'em ip. There's probably one right near your house. I'd rather live next to a nuclear power plant than an AI center.
Oh, and Peter Thiel? Look up Eliezer Yudkowsky, the Zizians, and Rationalists. Basically, these assholes whole worldview centers around Harry Potter fanfic.
Thanks for that very informative lecture. We are fortunate to have you explain such things to the rest of us who would otherwise have no knowledge of anything.
But for context, ENIAC was a computer, not a data center like what is being talked about here. But even generously calling its installation an early data center, nobody is really claiming that computing facilities or even data centers were new. Their existence 80 years ago tells us nothing about the power and cooling demands of the facilities being built today.
But go ahead and educate us on the electrical demand of ENIAC vs all the ‘traditional’ data centers, then compare it to the newer ones that are being built to tackle the increased storage needed for the growing usage of AI models.
That would be great if you could educate us “Suddenly Aware” or ‘Completely Unaware’…..
You forgot to include ‘the narrative’ in there somewhere.
Loudon County is mind blowing if you look at it over the last couple years. That growth is exponential which, in my opinion, seems nefarious. Look at the data from 2016-2025, and then look at the data for the first 3 months on 2026. I occasionally travel there for work, and the construction traffic is crazy there.
I was afraid that I might digress.... or, did I?
How about make them generate their own power?
They could use the reactors from decommissioned subs and carriers.
There, that one's solved...
I don't think that math maths........!
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A Nimitz class makes about 300MW with 2 reactors.
You could run a good sized center on that.
Key word, “a”. You might even get 2. You’d only need to decommission several thousand nuclear carriers reactors to make that work……
Amazon plans to run the data center they are wanting to build in Walla Walla county using yet to be built small modular reactors on the neighboring Hanford nuclear site. I didn't hear about this open house so thus did not attend when they had it.
I just wonder how they will get the power from Hanford to the data center? New power lines going straight through some of the most expensive farm land in Washington or are they going to use existing right of ways and power lines?
The X-Energy mentioned in the quote from the article I post is a publicly traded company fwiw, XE
https://www.tricitiesbusinessnews.com/articles/8340-amazon-works-to-stem-data-center-fears-at-burbank-open-house
"...The tech giant already has smaller data centers peppering the land in and around Hermiston and Boardman(Oregon). But building a larger one close to the Tri-Cities makes sense; Amazon has also partnered with Energy Northwest and nuclear power company X-energy to develop and build four small modular nuclear reactors, or SMRs, near the nuclear-powered Columbia Generating Station north of Richland..."
The decommissioned boats was a bit tongue-in-cheek.
You could use similar small reactors.
I definitely think that small reactors could be the key to the energy production issue, but I'm not sure if that would exacerbate the demand for water to cool not just the data center, but the reactors themselves. You probably are a lot more informed on the latest developments for proposed small reactors. Are they big draws for fresh water? Or are they more 'self contained' and only have periodic demand?
I'm no nuclear expert, but I think they can cool a small reactor with a closed loop system with a chiller.
I don't think they use enough to make too much of a drain unlike big reactors that are usually found built next to a lake. Even those reclaim the condensed water after the steam it makes cools off.
You guys talking about this?
A startup wants to build a massive nuclear-powered data center on public land in Utah
https://www.npr.org/2026/09/30/nx-s1-5983482/valar-atomic-nuclear-data-center-project-beehive-utah
Sincerely hope that after all these years you realize no one cares what you think.
^ Mature. Kudos.
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Sincerely hope that was a tongue in cheek comment.
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