Water leak …. here we go again!

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sumdood wrote:
I wasn't super stoked on the pvc valve so I made it easy to change later if I ever need to.🤷‍♂️ I can swap it quick...

I wasn't super stoked on the pvc valve so I made it easy to change later if I ever need to.🤷‍♂️ I can swap it quick and easy with no sweating, cutting, or gluing.  4 hours and $39.26 total. 

 @ $8.75 a minute I saved about $2,100.00 plus parts, sweet !  🙂😆  

Josh422 wrote:
Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case...

Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case scenario.

I’m usually pipe locked and the customer wants the fastest, cheapest fix. 4 90s it is.

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borg wrote:

Have you had any luck using the slip couplings/unions? I have never used one. Relying on O rings on a buried pipe makes me nervous.

Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed repair with some sort of quick fix setup. I’ve used enough propress to be confident in orings in that sense though. When installed correctly.

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Josh422 wrote:
Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case...

Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case scenario.

I’m usually pipe locked and the customer wants the fastest, cheapest fix. 4 90s it is.

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borg wrote:

Have you had any luck using the slip couplings/unions? I have never used one. Relying on O rings on a buried pipe makes me nervous.

Josh422 wrote:
Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed...

Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed repair with some sort of quick fix setup. I’ve used enough propress to be confident in orings in that sense though. When installed correctly.

Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be just as quick and the fittings are way cheaper but  like i said, never used it.

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Josh422 wrote:
Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case...

Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case scenario.

I’m usually pipe locked and the customer wants the fastest, cheapest fix. 4 90s it is.

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Yep. "Make a bridge"  Looks good to me.  What else are going to do ? We do pretty much every underground pool leak like the because we're dealing with 1-1/2" or 2" pvc and the pipes don't budge. Sometimes they're in a bundle and you're kind of fucked and wind up cutting out a bunch of good shit just cause you gotta. Oh well T&M friend sorry🤷‍♂️😄  A couple times on smaller lines like 1/2" or 3/4" I've been able to move them apart sideways and use a 90 / street. 90 combo. They don't stick up as high that way.  And I'm with you guys on the rubber union coupling things. I've never even bought one. Probably would be ok for a sprinkler that runs a few minutes a day under no pressure and doesn't matter if it drips anyway. You could tell the customer that's our patented "Subterranean deep root watering system", a calculated percentage of the water goes straight to the roots where it's needed, less run off and no evaporation. We don't even charge extra LOL.       

edit: When I was adding the extra 90 I was thinking oh damn I hope this doesn't slow the flow a noticeable amount. Our water pressure here sucks balls, like under 50psi (not kidding) Pffffft.... the cracked mip I replaced was 40% blocked by a big fucking glob of glue. My shower works better than before. Sold !  😊

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borg wrote:

Have you had any luck using the slip couplings/unions? I have never used one. Relying on O rings on a buried pipe makes me nervous.

Josh422 wrote:
Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed...

Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed repair with some sort of quick fix setup. I’ve used enough propress to be confident in orings in that sense though. When installed correctly.

borg wrote:
Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be...

Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be just as quick and the fittings are way cheaper but  like i said, never used it.

In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that, but at the same time those old school guys have had plenty of callbacks for pinhole leaks on their solder. I don’t care how good you are, it’s just a matter of time and probability your joint isn’t good with today’s solder and working on existing pipe. Add torching in a little pocket against drywall paper, insulation and 2x4s. 

Ever have a customer pay you to fix something only for it to leak and cause water damage in their home?



There is a time and place for both methods for sure. They compliment each other not replace.

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Josh422 wrote:
Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case...

Oh that’ll work out just fine. Looks good from my house! You gotta use/do what you have to work with sometimes. It isn’t always best case scenario.

I’m usually pipe locked and the customer wants the fastest, cheapest fix. 4 90s it is.

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sumdood wrote:
Yep. "Make a bridge"  Looks good to me.  What else are going to do ? We do pretty much every underground pool leak like the because...

Yep. "Make a bridge"  Looks good to me.  What else are going to do ? We do pretty much every underground pool leak like the because we're dealing with 1-1/2" or 2" pvc and the pipes don't budge. Sometimes they're in a bundle and you're kind of fucked and wind up cutting out a bunch of good shit just cause you gotta. Oh well T&M friend sorry🤷‍♂️😄  A couple times on smaller lines like 1/2" or 3/4" I've been able to move them apart sideways and use a 90 / street. 90 combo. They don't stick up as high that way.  And I'm with you guys on the rubber union coupling things. I've never even bought one. Probably would be ok for a sprinkler that runs a few minutes a day under no pressure and doesn't matter if it drips anyway. You could tell the customer that's our patented "Subterranean deep root watering system", a calculated percentage of the water goes straight to the roots where it's needed, less run off and no evaporation. We don't even charge extra LOL.       

edit: When I was adding the extra 90 I was thinking oh damn I hope this doesn't slow the flow a noticeable amount. Our water pressure here sucks balls, like under 50psi (not kidding) Pffffft.... the cracked mip I replaced was 40% blocked by a big fucking glob of glue. My shower works better than before. Sold !  😊

Haha, I like that. You could say the proprietary root hydration treatment will draw roots away from attacking your sewer line saving you 10s of thousands in repairs. 🤣

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Josh422 wrote:
Haha, I like that. You could say the proprietary root hydration treatment will draw roots away from attacking your sewer line saving you 10s of thousands...

Haha, I like that. You could say the proprietary root hydration treatment will draw roots away from attacking your sewer line saving you 10s of thousands in repairs. 🤣

😄 I like it !   "We spend your money like it was ours, we're here for YOU"  Now fork over that $8.75 a minute...   This is going to sound bad, you guys ever add 1/2 hour on an older persons job because you know it's going to take them 25 minutes to write out a check ?  Oh did I say that out loud.. lol  

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Josh422 wrote:
Haha, I like that. You could say the proprietary root hydration treatment will draw roots away from attacking your sewer line saving you 10s of thousands...

Haha, I like that. You could say the proprietary root hydration treatment will draw roots away from attacking your sewer line saving you 10s of thousands in repairs. 🤣

sumdood wrote:
😄 I like it !   "We spend your money like it was ours, we're here for YOU"  Now fork over that $8.75 a minute...  ...

😄 I like it !   "We spend your money like it was ours, we're here for YOU"  Now fork over that $8.75 a minute...   This is going to sound bad, you guys ever add 1/2 hour on an older persons job because you know it's going to take them 25 minutes to write out a check ?  Oh did I say that out loud.. lol  

No but there is hazard pay for medical emergencies while I’m on site. I’ve had elderly people fall a time or two. I also had to triage a gentleman who cut his leg on my tool bucket while checking on me. He was on blood thinners and very old.

Just kidding about the hazard pay. I have some FF and EMT history and love helping people in general. I tried really hard to get him to allow me to drive him to urgent care. I also took care of the lady that fell.

I’m a very honest person and pride myself on good work and truly helping people. The big outfits that are sales oriented don’t sit well with me. I sleep good at night when it comes to work and doing the right thing. I have kids that are paying attention.

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Josh422 wrote:
Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed...

Hard no. We warranty our work so I don’t like to dig more than once. A good chunk of leak in ground calls are someone’s failed repair with some sort of quick fix setup. I’ve used enough propress to be confident in orings in that sense though. When installed correctly.

borg wrote:
Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be...

Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be just as quick and the fittings are way cheaper but  like i said, never used it.

Josh422 wrote:
In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that...

In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that, but at the same time those old school guys have had plenty of callbacks for pinhole leaks on their solder. I don’t care how good you are, it’s just a matter of time and probability your joint isn’t good with today’s solder and working on existing pipe. Add torching in a little pocket against drywall paper, insulation and 2x4s. 

Ever have a customer pay you to fix something only for it to leak and cause water damage in their home?



There is a time and place for both methods for sure. They compliment each other not replace.

I had to replace a whole kitchen in a condo. The upstairs condo sprang a leak with nobody home. So replaced all the DW. I noticed later on that I had splattered some compound on the drapes that covered a slider going outside. I didn't have time to hand scrub that shit so I pulled it off and threw it in the washing machine then the dryer. No problem until I rehung it and it was a foot shorter. Turns out she hated those drapes and her mom bought her some new ones. I was friends with mom and dad so basically it was just a big joke and I was the butt of the joke. Only a moron would have machine washed it.

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borg wrote:
Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be...

Never used propress either. Of course I'm an old timer and that stuff wasn't available when I was doing residential work. Seems like solder would be just as quick and the fittings are way cheaper but  like i said, never used it.

Josh422 wrote:
In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that...

In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that, but at the same time those old school guys have had plenty of callbacks for pinhole leaks on their solder. I don’t care how good you are, it’s just a matter of time and probability your joint isn’t good with today’s solder and working on existing pipe. Add torching in a little pocket against drywall paper, insulation and 2x4s. 

Ever have a customer pay you to fix something only for it to leak and cause water damage in their home?



There is a time and place for both methods for sure. They compliment each other not replace.

borg wrote:
I had to replace a whole kitchen in a condo. The upstairs condo sprang a leak with nobody home. So replaced all the DW. I noticed...

I had to replace a whole kitchen in a condo. The upstairs condo sprang a leak with nobody home. So replaced all the DW. I noticed later on that I had splattered some compound on the drapes that covered a slider going outside. I didn't have time to hand scrub that shit so I pulled it off and threw it in the washing machine then the dryer. No problem until I rehung it and it was a foot shorter. Turns out she hated those drapes and her mom bought her some new ones. I was friends with mom and dad so basically it was just a big joke and I was the butt of the joke. Only a moron would have machine washed it.

🤣

Had a toilet replacement in a nice neighborhood retirement community type with a golf course. White carpet, white tile, white everything. They just moved in and wanted new toilets. P/O put the blue cleaner discs in the tanks. We use a small shop vac to pull the water out and yank the toilet out in a quick amount of time. Well after I shop vacc’d I noticed it sudded up nicely and aspirated out of the exhaust of my vac and sprayed the floor and wall with the blue water you’d see in a honey bucket. It was everywhere. I blocked the door while I panic cleaned. I’ve never cleaned so fast in my life and always make sure to have a trusty old beach towel with me every time I’m working inside.  Always thought it was just the primer that’ll bite ya. 🤣

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Josh422 wrote:
In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that...

In my experience propress is substantially faster. It’s also easier and more reliable. A lot of “old school” guys throw a fit when I say that, but at the same time those old school guys have had plenty of callbacks for pinhole leaks on their solder. I don’t care how good you are, it’s just a matter of time and probability your joint isn’t good with today’s solder and working on existing pipe. Add torching in a little pocket against drywall paper, insulation and 2x4s. 

Ever have a customer pay you to fix something only for it to leak and cause water damage in their home?



There is a time and place for both methods for sure. They compliment each other not replace.

borg wrote:
I had to replace a whole kitchen in a condo. The upstairs condo sprang a leak with nobody home. So replaced all the DW. I noticed...

I had to replace a whole kitchen in a condo. The upstairs condo sprang a leak with nobody home. So replaced all the DW. I noticed later on that I had splattered some compound on the drapes that covered a slider going outside. I didn't have time to hand scrub that shit so I pulled it off and threw it in the washing machine then the dryer. No problem until I rehung it and it was a foot shorter. Turns out she hated those drapes and her mom bought her some new ones. I was friends with mom and dad so basically it was just a big joke and I was the butt of the joke. Only a moron would have machine washed it.

Josh422 wrote:
🤣Had a toilet replacement in a nice neighborhood retirement community type with a golf course. White carpet, white tile, white everything. They just moved in and...

🤣

Had a toilet replacement in a nice neighborhood retirement community type with a golf course. White carpet, white tile, white everything. They just moved in and wanted new toilets. P/O put the blue cleaner discs in the tanks. We use a small shop vac to pull the water out and yank the toilet out in a quick amount of time. Well after I shop vacc’d I noticed it sudded up nicely and aspirated out of the exhaust of my vac and sprayed the floor and wall with the blue water you’d see in a honey bucket. It was everywhere. I blocked the door while I panic cleaned. I’ve never cleaned so fast in my life and always make sure to have a trusty old beach towel with me every time I’m working inside.  Always thought it was just the primer that’ll bite ya. 🤣

Ok. that is effed up. Hopefully none of it hit the carpet. Shit does happen and there no way you can put enough profit in every job to cover major f'ups. Sometimes you just eat it to keep up your rep.

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I already threw it away but ours this time was the metal coupler that joined 2 different plastic water hose (one red and one white) together the metal at the end failed and let one of them start leaking.

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Josh422 wrote:
🤣Had a toilet replacement in a nice neighborhood retirement community type with a golf course. White carpet, white tile, white everything. They just moved in and...

🤣

Had a toilet replacement in a nice neighborhood retirement community type with a golf course. White carpet, white tile, white everything. They just moved in and wanted new toilets. P/O put the blue cleaner discs in the tanks. We use a small shop vac to pull the water out and yank the toilet out in a quick amount of time. Well after I shop vacc’d I noticed it sudded up nicely and aspirated out of the exhaust of my vac and sprayed the floor and wall with the blue water you’d see in a honey bucket. It was everywhere. I blocked the door while I panic cleaned. I’ve never cleaned so fast in my life and always make sure to have a trusty old beach towel with me every time I’m working inside.  Always thought it was just the primer that’ll bite ya. 🤣

Hahahahahahaha......  let's be super careful and not spill any of this blue water on the floor 😆  

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