How does this thing in Iran end?

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gantry25 wrote:

So this didn't have anything to do with nuclear bombs and stopping terrorism? Gotcha.

It's a political ploy to sell fear, something you have brought into, hook, line and sinker.

So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

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9/14/2026 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2026 8:44pm
gantry25 wrote:
"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most...


"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most can agree that the 'regime' before the Shah was better than either of the next two".

What an interesting take. The current Islamic government may not be worse than the previous Iranian government ran by the Shah? I must say your perspective is unbelievably twisted. Under the Shah the people saw a large increase in standard of living even though it was unequal. Shah was far from perfect but life was far better for the Iranian citizens than the current pure evil regime. You must not have seen where the Iranian singer Ahmadi was sentenced to 74 lashes for performing without a habib. The Shah was bad but not that bad.

The previous regime under Mosaddegh dissolved the countries parliament. It was effectively at that time a dictatorship. That dictatorship was courting the USSR. That is the primary reason MI5 and the CIA stepped in to stop the USSR from controlling Iran's oil and expanding it's reach. 

The problem with your perspective is in always trying to find the US and it's allies at fault for the ill's of the world. More good has come from America, Canada, England, France, etc. than has bad. Absolutely no good came from the USSR and communism, nor has any good come from radical Islamic governments. That's what I mean when figuring out who the good guys are as compared to the bad guys. That's as simple as I can make it for you.

You can't see the forest through the trees.  

APLMAN99 wrote:
You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.I don’t...

You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.

I don’t like Iran’s government. The vast majority of Americans don’t. But some Iranians do support it, and from their perspective the U.S. has spent 70+ years interfering in their country, backing their enemies, arming proxies, imposing sanctions, supporting covert operations and using military force.

Iran has absolutely targeted U.S. troops and interests in the Middle East. But Iran has essentially never launched conventional attacks on the U.S. homeland, while U.S. interference in Iran predates the Islamic Republic by decades.

You don’t have to agree with their perspective. But if you’re incapable of even seeing it, then 'we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys' isn’t even remotely a try at honest, objective analysis. It’s just tribalism.

Remember, had the Colonies lost the Revolutionary War they would have been considered traitorous 'terrorists'.  From the perspective of the British, they definitely were considered that for a long, long time.  

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over Iran , or maybe not. I’m well aware the the US isn’t perfect in world affairs, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live anywhere in the middle east over the US and especially Iran.

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9/14/2026 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2026 8:43pm

It's a political ploy to sell fear, something you have brought into, hook, line and sinker.

So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

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So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

Congrats on the granddaughter on the way buddy!! That’s awesome.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

ShellyMX wrote:

Congrats on the granddaughter on the way buddy!! That’s awesome.

Thanks Shelly. 👊🏻

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You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

ShellyMX wrote:

Congrats on the granddaughter on the way buddy!! That’s awesome.

Thanks Shelly. 👊🏻

Congrats buddy. 

I kinda stepped back (a little)…. 
I’m in touch with the decent people outside place and, really have no need to post other than posting salmon pics.

Though there’s many I consider cool I’m not in touch with outside this place, the rest probably couldn’t get laid in a whore house with a fist full of hundreds. 

PM sent. 
 

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So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

Welcome to the club!

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ShellyMX wrote:

Congrats on the granddaughter on the way buddy!! That’s awesome.

Thanks Shelly. 👊🏻

Chance1216 wrote:
Congrats buddy. I kinda stepped back (a little)…. I’m in touch with the decent people outside place and, really have no need to post other than posting salmon...

Congrats buddy. 

I kinda stepped back (a little)…. 
I’m in touch with the decent people outside place and, really have no need to post other than posting salmon pics.

Though there’s many I consider cool I’m not in touch with outside this place, the rest probably couldn’t get laid in a whore house with a fist full of hundreds. 

PM sent. 
 

Thank you Chance..👊🏻

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TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

lumpy790 wrote:

Welcome to the club!

Thanks Lump.👍🏻

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gantry25 wrote:

The sky is falling! Oh no! 

The US doesn't get it's oil from the middle east. Try doing just the most basic research before posting.

ns503 wrote:

I wasn't talking US. Its a global commodity. The US isn't quite as isolated from global issues as lots seem to think.

gantry25 wrote:
The US is oil independent. You stated that "everyone get ready for fuel shortages" it's not going to happen as much as you would like it...

The US is oil independent. You stated that "everyone get ready for fuel shortages" it's not going to happen as much as you would like it to.

No, I would not like it to. Where did you read that?

US oil reserves are at a 40+ year low. That shouldn't be, if US is oil independant. I even read Costco started limiting motor oil purchases. It's happened before - last shortage crisis was ironically also Iran related,  late 70s. Thinking it could never happen again is a bit of the head in sand effect.

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Retirement, so to speak, is frikkin awesome.

Used to think it was hanging around doing nothing.

Still spend just as much shop time building stuff.

Just now it's in my home shop, walking downstairs to work instead of spending time driving to a jobsite.

Building stuff on my own timeline for customers, paying closer attention to detail, instead of multiple projects semi rushed to completion by a move in date.

And cranking the sound system without someone entering my area telling me to turn it down. 

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So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

Grandkids are the best, enjoy your retirement!

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So it’s not true that Iran supported/ supports and funded terrorism all over the world? 🤦‍♂️

TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

My first grandchild played a huge role in our decision to return to the Northwest. And it was definitely a great decision!  

I never understood what people meant when they said that your love for your grandkids is different, and maybe even more intense, than your love for your children. I understand it now. I might not describe it as ‘greater’, but it’s different for sure and it’s pretty humbling just to be able to watch them become themselves. 

Congratulations! 

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We also became grandparents for the first time, August 21. Beautiful girl. Ya, it hits.  Kudos guys.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

avidchimp wrote:

Grandkids are the best, enjoy your retirement!

Thank you Avid. 👍🏻

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TeamGreen wrote:
Kenny…Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…Whatever.But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your...

Kenny…

Come on down and ride with us. Maybe make a run into Baja…

Whatever.

But, spinning your wheels on the web with this crowd is not worth your time.

I’ll see ya out there…out here…this weekend is Vegas and Tennessee…’cause Feld has made me NOT want to go watch their shit show.

Be well. Get some. 

Manny 

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no...

You know what , I’d love to do that. But I have a lot of things go’n on. I literally just fully retired last Wednesday, no more bus driving for me. My daughter is going to have a little girl this month, she can go anytime. Thank you for the invite, probably won’t be ready for a road trip till spring. 👊🏻

APLMAN99 wrote:
My first grandchild played a huge role in our decision to return to the Northwest. And it was definitely a great decision!  I never understood what...

My first grandchild played a huge role in our decision to return to the Northwest. And it was definitely a great decision!  

I never understood what people meant when they said that your love for your grandkids is different, and maybe even more intense, than your love for your children. I understand it now. I might not describe it as ‘greater’, but it’s different for sure and it’s pretty humbling just to be able to watch them become themselves. 

Congratulations! 

Thank You Apple.👍🏻

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ns503 wrote:

We also became grandparents for the first time, August 21. Beautiful girl. Ya, it hits.  Kudos guys.

Wife and I have been blessed with little babies recently. We also have 2 little grandsons that are only a month apart 1-1/2 year olds.  One from my daughter and one from my Oldest son. Now my only daughter is giving us a baby girl. ❤️

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gantry25 wrote:
"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most...


"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most can agree that the 'regime' before the Shah was better than either of the next two".

What an interesting take. The current Islamic government may not be worse than the previous Iranian government ran by the Shah? I must say your perspective is unbelievably twisted. Under the Shah the people saw a large increase in standard of living even though it was unequal. Shah was far from perfect but life was far better for the Iranian citizens than the current pure evil regime. You must not have seen where the Iranian singer Ahmadi was sentenced to 74 lashes for performing without a habib. The Shah was bad but not that bad.

The previous regime under Mosaddegh dissolved the countries parliament. It was effectively at that time a dictatorship. That dictatorship was courting the USSR. That is the primary reason MI5 and the CIA stepped in to stop the USSR from controlling Iran's oil and expanding it's reach. 

The problem with your perspective is in always trying to find the US and it's allies at fault for the ill's of the world. More good has come from America, Canada, England, France, etc. than has bad. Absolutely no good came from the USSR and communism, nor has any good come from radical Islamic governments. That's what I mean when figuring out who the good guys are as compared to the bad guys. That's as simple as I can make it for you.

You can't see the forest through the trees.  

APLMAN99 wrote:
You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.I don’t...

You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.

I don’t like Iran’s government. The vast majority of Americans don’t. But some Iranians do support it, and from their perspective the U.S. has spent 70+ years interfering in their country, backing their enemies, arming proxies, imposing sanctions, supporting covert operations and using military force.

Iran has absolutely targeted U.S. troops and interests in the Middle East. But Iran has essentially never launched conventional attacks on the U.S. homeland, while U.S. interference in Iran predates the Islamic Republic by decades.

You don’t have to agree with their perspective. But if you’re incapable of even seeing it, then 'we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys' isn’t even remotely a try at honest, objective analysis. It’s just tribalism.

Remember, had the Colonies lost the Revolutionary War they would have been considered traitorous 'terrorists'.  From the perspective of the British, they definitely were considered that for a long, long time.  

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over...

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over Iran , or maybe not. I’m well aware the the US isn’t perfect in world affairs, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live anywhere in the middle east over the US and especially Iran.

Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or regime change is justified.

I wouldn’t want to live in Louisiana either. It incarcerates people at roughly twice Oregon’s rate and close to three times Washington’s. That doesn’t mean I think all (or even most) Louisianans are evil, that Louisiana should be bombed, or that Oregon and Washington should get to impose regime change on Baton Rouge.

You can think another government is worse than yours without concluding that anything done to that country is therefore justified.

That’s the distinction I’m making.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.I don’t...

You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.

I don’t like Iran’s government. The vast majority of Americans don’t. But some Iranians do support it, and from their perspective the U.S. has spent 70+ years interfering in their country, backing their enemies, arming proxies, imposing sanctions, supporting covert operations and using military force.

Iran has absolutely targeted U.S. troops and interests in the Middle East. But Iran has essentially never launched conventional attacks on the U.S. homeland, while U.S. interference in Iran predates the Islamic Republic by decades.

You don’t have to agree with their perspective. But if you’re incapable of even seeing it, then 'we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys' isn’t even remotely a try at honest, objective analysis. It’s just tribalism.

Remember, had the Colonies lost the Revolutionary War they would have been considered traitorous 'terrorists'.  From the perspective of the British, they definitely were considered that for a long, long time.  

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over...

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over Iran , or maybe not. I’m well aware the the US isn’t perfect in world affairs, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live anywhere in the middle east over the US and especially Iran.

APLMAN99 wrote:
Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or...

Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or regime change is justified.

I wouldn’t want to live in Louisiana either. It incarcerates people at roughly twice Oregon’s rate and close to three times Washington’s. That doesn’t mean I think all (or even most) Louisianans are evil, that Louisiana should be bombed, or that Oregon and Washington should get to impose regime change on Baton Rouge.

You can think another government is worse than yours without concluding that anything done to that country is therefore justified.

That’s the distinction I’m making.

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m the only member here that views you that way. Anyway have a good day Apple.

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Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m...

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m the only member here that views you that way. Anyway have a good day Apple.

You’re by far not the only member that sees that and you certainly aren’t wrong.

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You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over...

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over Iran , or maybe not. I’m well aware the the US isn’t perfect in world affairs, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live anywhere in the middle east over the US and especially Iran.

APLMAN99 wrote:
Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or...

Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or regime change is justified.

I wouldn’t want to live in Louisiana either. It incarcerates people at roughly twice Oregon’s rate and close to three times Washington’s. That doesn’t mean I think all (or even most) Louisianans are evil, that Louisiana should be bombed, or that Oregon and Washington should get to impose regime change on Baton Rouge.

You can think another government is worse than yours without concluding that anything done to that country is therefore justified.

That’s the distinction I’m making.

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m...

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m the only member here that views you that way. Anyway have a good day Apple.

I’ll push back pretty hard on the 'anti-American' label.

To me, being American isn’t about reflexively defending whatever our government does simply because it’s our government. It’s about advocating for what is right, even when the right answer is inconvenient, unpopular, or against our short-term interests.  If we criticize Russia, Iran or China for interfering in other countries, backing proxies, overthrowing governments or killing civilians, then we ought to be willing to apply the same standards to ourselves.

That isn’t anti-American. I’d argue it's the exact opposite. Blindly excusing something because America did it is nationalism, not patriotism.

I want the U.S. to be the 'good guys' because we do the right thing, not because we simply declare ourselves the 'good guys' afterward.

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9/15/2026 11:03am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2026 11:06am

It’s really not that complicated. 

Big Oil is a massive global business and they will sell to who ever pays them the most for the product. Oil is not all the same so some will not work for some things. What the USA has can not do it all.

Trump might flip and end this whole world wide shortage by stopping attacks on Iran. He might do that in an attempt to get voters to stop massively hating him and vote his way in November but at this point thats doubtful 

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gantry25 wrote:
"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most...


"The regime that replaced the Shah is not a good one.  Is it worse than the Shah?  Again, depends upon one's perspective, but I think most can agree that the 'regime' before the Shah was better than either of the next two".

What an interesting take. The current Islamic government may not be worse than the previous Iranian government ran by the Shah? I must say your perspective is unbelievably twisted. Under the Shah the people saw a large increase in standard of living even though it was unequal. Shah was far from perfect but life was far better for the Iranian citizens than the current pure evil regime. You must not have seen where the Iranian singer Ahmadi was sentenced to 74 lashes for performing without a habib. The Shah was bad but not that bad.

The previous regime under Mosaddegh dissolved the countries parliament. It was effectively at that time a dictatorship. That dictatorship was courting the USSR. That is the primary reason MI5 and the CIA stepped in to stop the USSR from controlling Iran's oil and expanding it's reach. 

The problem with your perspective is in always trying to find the US and it's allies at fault for the ill's of the world. More good has come from America, Canada, England, France, etc. than has bad. Absolutely no good came from the USSR and communism, nor has any good come from radical Islamic governments. That's what I mean when figuring out who the good guys are as compared to the bad guys. That's as simple as I can make it for you.

You can't see the forest through the trees.  

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You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.I don’t...

You’re still proving my point. You’ve already decided who the 'good guys' are, so anything we do gets justified and anything Iran does becomes 'terrorism'.

I don’t like Iran’s government. The vast majority of Americans don’t. But some Iranians do support it, and from their perspective the U.S. has spent 70+ years interfering in their country, backing their enemies, arming proxies, imposing sanctions, supporting covert operations and using military force.

Iran has absolutely targeted U.S. troops and interests in the Middle East. But Iran has essentially never launched conventional attacks on the U.S. homeland, while U.S. interference in Iran predates the Islamic Republic by decades.

You don’t have to agree with their perspective. But if you’re incapable of even seeing it, then 'we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys' isn’t even remotely a try at honest, objective analysis. It’s just tribalism.

Remember, had the Colonies lost the Revolutionary War they would have been considered traitorous 'terrorists'.  From the perspective of the British, they definitely were considered that for a long, long time.  

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over...

You act as if Iran and the US are on the same level. I’m pretty sure that you would rather live in the United States over Iran , or maybe not. I’m well aware the the US isn’t perfect in world affairs, but I certainly wouldn’t want to live anywhere in the middle east over the US and especially Iran.

Ask him to explain who’s running things in Iran. 

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Our goals, and the goals of the West in general, include restraining global terrorism and controlling nuclear proliferation.  I’m just not convinced the tactics used by the Trump Administration will be successful in either. 

History has proven bombing campaigns alone won’t get the job done. And boots on the ground have varying levels of success.  Trump’s strategy included an internal Iranian uprising that has yet to materialize. Because nothing unifies a people like a common foe. 

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Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or...

Of course I’d rather live in the U.S. than Iran. But 'where would you rather live?' is a pretty useless test for whether military action or regime change is justified.

I wouldn’t want to live in Louisiana either. It incarcerates people at roughly twice Oregon’s rate and close to three times Washington’s. That doesn’t mean I think all (or even most) Louisianans are evil, that Louisiana should be bombed, or that Oregon and Washington should get to impose regime change on Baton Rouge.

You can think another government is worse than yours without concluding that anything done to that country is therefore justified.

That’s the distinction I’m making.

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m...

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m the only member here that views you that way. Anyway have a good day Apple.

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I’ll push back pretty hard on the 'anti-American' label.To me, being American isn’t about reflexively defending whatever our government does simply because it’s our government. It’s...

I’ll push back pretty hard on the 'anti-American' label.

To me, being American isn’t about reflexively defending whatever our government does simply because it’s our government. It’s about advocating for what is right, even when the right answer is inconvenient, unpopular, or against our short-term interests.  If we criticize Russia, Iran or China for interfering in other countries, backing proxies, overthrowing governments or killing civilians, then we ought to be willing to apply the same standards to ourselves.

That isn’t anti-American. I’d argue it's the exact opposite. Blindly excusing something because America did it is nationalism, not patriotism.

I want the U.S. to be the 'good guys' because we do the right thing, not because we simply declare ourselves the 'good guys' afterward.

Too funny! Your perspective is a tad skewed.

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Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m...

Ok, that’s fine , but to me , your posts on these topics always seem to come off as anti-American. I don’t know , maybe I’m the only member here that views you that way. Anyway have a good day Apple.

APLMAN99 wrote:
I’ll push back pretty hard on the 'anti-American' label.To me, being American isn’t about reflexively defending whatever our government does simply because it’s our government. It’s...

I’ll push back pretty hard on the 'anti-American' label.

To me, being American isn’t about reflexively defending whatever our government does simply because it’s our government. It’s about advocating for what is right, even when the right answer is inconvenient, unpopular, or against our short-term interests.  If we criticize Russia, Iran or China for interfering in other countries, backing proxies, overthrowing governments or killing civilians, then we ought to be willing to apply the same standards to ourselves.

That isn’t anti-American. I’d argue it's the exact opposite. Blindly excusing something because America did it is nationalism, not patriotism.

I want the U.S. to be the 'good guys' because we do the right thing, not because we simply declare ourselves the 'good guys' afterward.

Too funny! Your perspective is a tad skewed.

All of our perspectives are 'a tad skewed'.  That's why it's important to try to look at an alternate perspective from time to time.......

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Anyon scared of Iran having a nuke should be terrified of AI….

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