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This is exactly what I'm talking about. You had a bad interaction and went straight to veiled threat of lawsuit. This is why the people you initially complained about have been able to run free. Whether or not you are technically right in your interaction or within your rights isn't really the point. Business owners down have the time, energy, resources etc to sort out who is ADA expert with legitimate service dog and who's an asshole with their pet, and since trying to figure it out gets you threatened with lawsuits, it basically becomes a matter of survival to just tolerate it all no matter how much they and most of their patrons dislike it. Standing between the handler and other people if the handler has social anxiety is literally enough to satisfy the two questions and hop over the legal line from emotional support to service dog. Impossible for anyone to police things when it's that easy to muddy the waters.
We have state park by me that shuts the gates for the winter but you are still allowed to park and walk in. Its a good park to see bald eagles. Anyways it is staffed in the winter with i think 3 people. A maintenance person and 2 park rangers, each in different buildings at either end of the park. This past winter I parked outside the gate, ...the only car..and I walk past the gate with my unleashed dog and then I see a man sitting behind a large window in one building. We wave at each other and then he makes a motion which I understood to be, leash my dog. So I did, no problem.
I begin walking into the park when the other ranger comes out of her building, gets in her car and slowly drives by me and my dog. I continue my walking. The ranger turns around and parks in the middle of a large empty parking lot and proceeds to watch me. I am the only 1 there. Irritated I was being surveiled i cut my walk short.
Anyways, I have heard that a person should not pet a service dog while they are on the job because it takes there focus away from their human?
While that's true, there are many types of service dogs. In public she wears a vest to keep people from wanting to pet her. I'm selective who I let interact with her. If she interacts with someone depending on what she's doing it's not detrimental to her work. Some service dogs it is. Since the general public doesn't know what the work being done is, the rule is, leave service dogs alone. Think of them as a medical device such as a wheel chair for someone who can't walk. You wouldn't go want to play with someone's wheel chair. Soo many people walking through the airport think it's their job to get her attention, it gets pretty frustrating. One of her favorite places to go is the hospital/doctor's office. When she was young, she spent a lot of time in the chemo room during my wife's cancer and visiting the other infusion patients. So she knows she gets to interact with a lot of people there.
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I don't hate dogs...I actually have a ton of respect for well trained dogs, and the people who own/train well mannered dogs. Especially Service dogs, search and rescue dogs, law enforcement dogs, and even well trained hunting and herding dogs...it's impressive!
And this isn't an attack on your dog...I'm sure your dog is great. But pets in public is just plain getting out of hand...I was at the grocery store just today, and someone's dog was barking at someone else's dog in the produce section...its ridiculous. Earlier this summer...outdoor seating at a restaurant in Park City, a dog takes a dump right in the middle of the walk way of a crowded outdoor seating section of a restaurant...I sit down on a flight recently, and some lady is holding a tiny dog on her lap...lucky me! I forgot my inhaler (my fault), and had to suffer through an asthma attack for the 2 hour flight and then hour drive home...never mind that dogs wet nose touching my arm the entire flight (which gives me hives)...
My opinion, and my opinion only (feel free to disagree with me...I'm sure most of you will)...dogs are animals...they are pets...not humans. They belong outside with the other animals...not inside with humans. Do what you want in your own home...but dogs don't belong inside in public places. Legit Service Dogs-not emotional support animals-being the exception (and legit service dogs should have legit signage on them...hard to get, government issued, easily recognizable, painfully obvious, signage on them...and a stiff fine/penalty for faking/replicating that signage...this will eliminate any confusion by businesses and allow easy enforcement).
"This is exactly what I'm talking about. You had a bad interaction and went straight to veiled threat of lawsuit. This is why the people you initially complained about have been able to run free."
I didn't threaten a law suit. I did however let them know they will get one from someone in the future without education of the staff. And as an FYI, during our discussions, the sergeant admitted that Sydney does not even need to be on a leash, the law states she needs to be under my control. But when the government employee tells me he doesn't want to see her state issued "service dog tag" and we, Sydney and I "cannot recreate on his beach" had I been the type, that would have been serious $$s. In my discussions with the sergeant, when he asked what I want, I told him "training for the staff". So don't bother going there.
My son raced Mammoth one year. I was going to fly up from LA and ride home with him. The plane couldn't land turned around brought us back to LA. I had my wife's Honda Pilot, seats 8. I told everyone around me I'm driving up as I needed to be there in the morning, anyone who wants a ride is welcome. I got 2 takers, an FBI agent and a disability attorney. Nothing to do but talk the whole way there. Yup, government employee telling someone they can't be there because of a service dog. Big time bad!
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"legit service dogs should have legit signage on them...hard to get, government issued, easily recognizable, painfully obvious, signage on them...and a stiff fine/penalty for faking/replicating that signage...this will eliminate any confusion by businesses and allow easy enforcement"
In an ideal world this would be perfect. I get flamed on some of the "service dogs" threads for advocating for this. But so many ae against this that it is unlikely to ever happen. You can read about dogs washing out of programs just for defending themselves from other aggressive dogs in public. After many hours of training.
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That dog barking in the store is 100% not a service dog.
Sounds like some of you have had a bad experience with a non-service dog. Kind of like we have a bad experience with Karen’s.
My dog doesn’t wear a “vest”. I don’t wear any ball caps, or tshirts that say “thank me for my service” either.
I’ll 100% guarantee that my dog is better behaved than your children or grandchildren. 🤣
I think the point of this entire thread is the morons who bring their non-service dogs into public places, right? Nobody has an issue at all with legit service animals...But because of ADA ambiguity and potential law suits businesses/employees are afraid to talk to anyone with a dog, so they don't talk to anyone and now people bringing their pets everywhere is getting out of hand...and now dogs are barking in the supermarket...pooping in restaurants (and those are just my experiences this year...I've got plenty more) And businesses are afraid to say anything.
The fix is legit, government issued, hard to get, penalty enforced for forging, and required while working, service dog signage...I guarantee if this happened there'd be less barking dogs in supermarkets, and pooping dogs in restaurants...no service dog signage, your dog isn't allowed...
Based on the input of the owners it sounds like service dogs are best at creating contentious situations. I have zero ADA knowledge but do know not to walk around with “Kick Me” taped to my back. At what point does constantly justifying your dog’s presence supersede the value? Getting in people’s face about ADA rights just seems exhausting.
Milo goes on the road with me…
A lot.
He gets to go in dog friendly establishments…& that’s it
On the road I’ve had a few hot days where he’s had to stay in his Hybrid F150 w/the ac on turbo mode while I go and grab a to go order.
Hasn’t been a problem. He sits in the driver’s seat when I do this.🤣
Well, it's nice that your life is sorted out that you don't have to deal with any issues.
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Oh, I got issues! And I try to minimize their complexity whenever possible. It just ironic that the very thing used to help people with disabilities seems to routinely result in uncomfortable scenarios. On both sides.
It’s similar to cyclists who complain about drivers. All the ranting about road laws is not going to change the situation, so ride at your own risk. Service dog owners will continue their awareness campaigns knowing full well that their arguments will fall on deaf ears. So like the cyclist, you leave the house with your radar on waiting for that nearly inevitable conversation, glare, or car that passes just a little too close.
This is what I want to do with a Pup when I get one - but that will have to wait for my travelling overseas work to come to a stop.
Because Pups have been so much of a Joy to me during my various, well, many, Hospital stays, and I want to provide the same thing to others.
But, I'm a bit confused by a fair bit here.
Service Dogs, have to be Trained ( and Passed) and Licensed here in OZ - at least in my State.
And, they Must be Completely Identifiable as such, when performing their work, and, it does Not give all of them a " free pass " to everywhere. I think that is only extended to Guide Dogs. And, if Not Identifiable / Wearing their attire, be it Vests, or Harnesses ( much better for the Doggos in Hot Weather) well, they Are Not considered Service Dogs. They Have To Be Identifiable, To All, full stop .
And, trying to pass off a Pet as such, when they are not, well, you'll have a problem.
And all that, is Fair Enough.
I love Pups - and, I like seeing well behaved ones out on the streets with their owners - they brighten my ( and, it seems, so many others ) day.
And, until a few weeks ago, I'd have been hard pressed to recall seeing any bad behavior from Doggos out in Public, with their owners, for many years now.
But, when I was recently in one of our local Big Hardware Stores here, where they seem to let dogs of any kind in ( but only if leashed) , two got into a brawl, and 2 people were badly bitten. I'd say there's going to be lawsuits flying over it.
Our Big Shopping Center across the river from me, is used heavily for Guide Dog Training - it's fantastic to see, and, people see / realize they are In Training, and don't bother them . But, there's a grassy 'rec' area between the Shopping Center and Performing Arts Center, where the Trainee Pups are allowed to have a break - and people are encouraged to interact with them. Helps differentiate Work, and Play for them, and, well the Public.
That's the flaw in your thinking, you think having a SD is a choice like riding a bicycle.
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I used to take George grocery shopping with me, but he stayed his ass in the truck, locked, running with A/C on, while i was inside. I take him to pet friendly areas only, and he isn't a service dog, but he has gone on flights, etc. I understand the complaints, nothing worse than a yapper.... No different than bad parenting, bad pet owning same difference. One of my most fun things to do was race out at Murphys in Lockhardt or Stokes MX Park. He would come to the track, then we would tailgate on Congress in Austin, grab a beer, and wait for the pizza at Home Slice. Everyone would walk up to the pups and talk to the lady and I as we just people watched.
Yep, doesn’t have to be a service dog to go into dog friendly establishments, just well behaved.
All snuggled in and ready to go. I did however call some lady an asshole this morning. Her "service dog" tried to go after Sydney twice. Once in the security line and then second time just walking past us.
Pit Row
I got something better, people watching, watching drunk people trying to load their boats on the trailers at the end of the day at Havasu. Good God is there an abundance of stupid! And nice asses to look at too lol
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Oh yeah did a bunch of that at Lake Austin and Travis. Would load in under the penny bridge and at the end of the day all the drunktards were falling in and cracking hulls. Goobers the lot of em.
Yeah, there are some Youtubers out there that focus on some of those boat launch fails and they are absolutely hysterical. There’s one based out of Miami that’s very funny.
I live in the city limits and they have laws that prohibit farm animals within the city. The neighbor across the street got several ducks probably 7 or 8. She told my wife they were her emotional support animals, to get around the law. Later she slipped up and told my wife they were actually eating them and their ducklings. Wasn’t too much after that that the ducks were gone. We figured they ate um all.🫣
If her dog was going after your dog, then it wasn’t a service animal. Cute pup BTW.
😃 There is something pleasurable about watching some chick in a thong bikini fall overboard.
Then there is the guy who is launching his yacht that is on a 3 axle trailer...with his F-150. The slow slide of death down the ramp.
Ducks aren't so bad, it's roosters that wake you up every morning an hour before the sun rises.
I would love to see the headline someday, "Seattle Neighborhood Overrun with Feral Emotional Support Pigs" 🙃
Yes😂😂
And the ever present tough guy yelling at people to hurry up while taking the boats out of the lake.
Why she got called an asshole, quite loud BTW, needed to make sure she heard it over her dog's barking.
I'm not sure if it is still this way or not, but for a long time there were only a few animals that were able to be considered truly 'service animals'. They were dogs, obviously, and mini horses.......
(Technically the mini horses were sort of a separate classification, but but businesses and government entities generally had to allow a properly trained one when it could reasonably be accommodated.)
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