Comparing Deegan’s first 8

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Goon645 wrote:
Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys...

Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys "the class is drunk" "whose gonna take control" are some of the common media sayings - since Deegan left nobody has stepped up to be the guy, they have all messed up, and out of that chaos Deegan seemed like something to compare to Jett but it was never going to be the case when he went head to head. These current 250 kids dont have it, I can only look at the amateur scene as a source of that. Phil and Zacho are kicking these kids asses, Zacho fair enough he is a former champ but Phil is beating them too. Something is going wrong with the development of US talent and the Euro Wave is about to crest over the horizon where in the next 5 to 8 years more and more Euro kids will come over who are better prepared and will take to SX quickly whilst having a solid base of grit, fitness and bike skill that for some reason seems to be missing in US amateur scene and its the reason the pro 250 class is a bunch of pussies who Deegan could dog walk up and down the pro circuit till he left.

TalinH112 wrote:

You feel better now? 

He is right though 

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Goon645 wrote:
Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys...

Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys "the class is drunk" "whose gonna take control" are some of the common media sayings - since Deegan left nobody has stepped up to be the guy, they have all messed up, and out of that chaos Deegan seemed like something to compare to Jett but it was never going to be the case when he went head to head. These current 250 kids dont have it, I can only look at the amateur scene as a source of that. Phil and Zacho are kicking these kids asses, Zacho fair enough he is a former champ but Phil is beating them too. Something is going wrong with the development of US talent and the Euro Wave is about to crest over the horizon where in the next 5 to 8 years more and more Euro kids will come over who are better prepared and will take to SX quickly whilst having a solid base of grit, fitness and bike skill that for some reason seems to be missing in US amateur scene and its the reason the pro 250 class is a bunch of pussies who Deegan could dog walk up and down the pro circuit till he left.

TalinH112 wrote:

You feel better now? 

DonJulio wrote:

He is right though 

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

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8/7/2026 9:12am

Cool stats, well done. Deegan is one tough cookie. Looking forward to seeing him on the 450 at Unadilla.

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TalinH112 wrote:

You feel better now? 

DonJulio wrote:

He is right though 

TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

Not sure you are proving you case when you bring up two retired pros that are beating the next crop of amateurs…

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DonJulio wrote:

He is right though 

TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

yak651 wrote:

Not sure you are proving you case when you bring up two retired pros that are beating the next crop of amateurs…

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

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TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

yak651 wrote:

Not sure you are proving you case when you bring up two retired pros that are beating the next crop of amateurs…

TalinH112 wrote:

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

Pretty sure he's talking about Open Pro sport......Although I still disagree with his assessment.... 

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8/7/2026 9:40am

Cool stats, well done. Deegan is one tough cookie. Looking forward to seeing him on the 450 at Unadilla.

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yak651 wrote:

Not sure you are proving you case when you bring up two retired pros that are beating the next crop of amateurs…

TalinH112 wrote:

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

DonM wrote:

Pretty sure he's talking about Open Pro sport......Although I still disagree with his assessment.... 

Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting take on a bunch of Kids who have shown an amount dedication that these window lickers couldn’t fathom. Rant over. 

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I tried my hand at comparing Deegan’s first eight 450 races to those of the last five multi-time Lites MX champs. I wrestled with what metrics...

I tried my hand at comparing Deegan’s first eight 450 races to those of the last five multi-time Lites MX champs. I wrestled with what metrics to use and how to create them for the opposition strength slides. I settled with two relatively simple ones. Quick conclusion is Deegan’s competition has been stiffer than any other multi time lites champ has seen. Plenty of other metrics to dig even further though.

Total overall wins faced at round one is the amount of wins from everyone on the gate prior to the evaluated riders’ debut.

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This slide shows the weighted average previous-three-season overall finish of the top-10 opponents faced during each rider's first eight 450 starts, weighted by both opponent experience (prior starts over the previous three seasons) and frequency faced. For example, Cooper Webb finished in the top 10 against Haiden Deegan five times during Deegan's first eight 450 starts. Webb's 2023-2025 average overall finish is therefore included five times in Deegan's weighted calculation.
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This slide uses the same metric but for average points per round

Y’all Deegan fans are wild, just clutching at straws to make your boy look good on paper, when he’s getting whooped on the track.

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TalinH112 wrote:

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

DonM wrote:

Pretty sure he's talking about Open Pro sport......Although I still disagree with his assessment.... 

TalinH112 wrote:
Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting...

Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting take on a bunch of Kids who have shown an amount dedication that these window lickers couldn’t fathom. Rant over. 

Agree 100% it's so easy to talk tough on a keyboard...

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8/7/2026 10:11am
TalinH112 wrote:

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

DonM wrote:

Pretty sure he's talking about Open Pro sport......Although I still disagree with his assessment.... 

TalinH112 wrote:
Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting...

Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting take on a bunch of Kids who have shown an amount dedication that these window lickers couldn’t fathom. Rant over. 

Let’s be honest, 98% of them are never going to make a living off of it. Most of them just need to have a chat with Bobby Reagan so he can tell them 

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DonM wrote:

Pretty sure he's talking about Open Pro sport......Although I still disagree with his assessment.... 

TalinH112 wrote:
Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting...

Landon beat Zach in Open Sport second moto. But yeah the idea that American Motocross is filled with a bunch of “pussies” is an absolutely disgusting take on a bunch of Kids who have shown an amount dedication that these window lickers couldn’t fathom. Rant over. 

DonJulio wrote:
Let’s be honest, 98% of them are never going to make a living off of it. Most of them just need to have a chat with...

Let’s be honest, 98% of them are never going to make a living off of it. Most of them just need to have a chat with Bobby Reagan so he can tell them 

They should all just stop chasing their dreams. 

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DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

Do you ever talk just to hear yourself speak??? Like... in the middle of the night do you just talk all night long, to yourself,  about just how amazing you are??

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DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

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Do you ever talk just to hear yourself speak??? Like... in the middle of the night do you just talk all night long, to yourself,  about...

Do you ever talk just to hear yourself speak??? Like... in the middle of the night do you just talk all night long, to yourself,  about just how amazing you are??

🤣

That's deep...

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TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

yak651 wrote:

Not sure you are proving you case when you bring up two retired pros that are beating the next crop of amateurs…

TalinH112 wrote:

If you’re not pro at 25, ya missed the bus. Those aren’t amateur kids, the class is 25 PLUS, as in age. 😂

Um yeah as DonM said, talking about open pro sport

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DonM wrote:

Sure bud….you don’t have to lie.

aussie_108 wrote:

Not lying, i honestly think you would be even more insufferable in real life.

DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might keep the one username but if someone has a differing opinion to yourself you cant handle it and argue because you have to be right, the bloke is probably sick to death of it and trolling you because he knows it will get under your skin. Its an mx forum not a dick, dont take it so hard.

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aussie_108 wrote:

Not lying, i honestly think you would be even more insufferable in real life.

DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

aussie_108 wrote:
No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might...

No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might keep the one username but if someone has a differing opinion to yourself you cant handle it and argue because you have to be right, the bloke is probably sick to death of it and trolling you because he knows it will get under your skin. Its an mx forum not a dick, dont take it so hard.

Apparently trolls hate me....😂😂....ask me if I care...lol!

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DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

aussie_108 wrote:
No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might...

No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might keep the one username but if someone has a differing opinion to yourself you cant handle it and argue because you have to be right, the bloke is probably sick to death of it and trolling you because he knows it will get under your skin. Its an mx forum not a dick, dont take it so hard.

DonM wrote:

Apparently trolls hate me....😂😂....ask me if I care...lol!

You care enough to reply to him in almost every thread/topic..........

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Goon645 wrote:
Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys...

Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys "the class is drunk" "whose gonna take control" are some of the common media sayings - since Deegan left nobody has stepped up to be the guy, they have all messed up, and out of that chaos Deegan seemed like something to compare to Jett but it was never going to be the case when he went head to head. These current 250 kids dont have it, I can only look at the amateur scene as a source of that. Phil and Zacho are kicking these kids asses, Zacho fair enough he is a former champ but Phil is beating them too. Something is going wrong with the development of US talent and the Euro Wave is about to crest over the horizon where in the next 5 to 8 years more and more Euro kids will come over who are better prepared and will take to SX quickly whilst having a solid base of grit, fitness and bike skill that for some reason seems to be missing in US amateur scene and its the reason the pro 250 class is a bunch of pussies who Deegan could dog walk up and down the pro circuit till he left.

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course he didn't come out of the 'spoilt brat raised in rip off training facilities' system. 

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DonM wrote:
Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your...

Ok bud....sorry to hurt your feeling but he is on his 3rd username he was MX Fo Fiddy and Deegan Realist....and the guy that liked your post, he's also on his 3rd username....oh the irony...

aussie_108 wrote:
No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might...

No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might keep the one username but if someone has a differing opinion to yourself you cant handle it and argue because you have to be right, the bloke is probably sick to death of it and trolling you because he knows it will get under your skin. Its an mx forum not a dick, dont take it so hard.

DonM wrote:

Apparently trolls hate me....😂😂....ask me if I care...lol!

Oh no one has to ask, it's pretty clear. You care so much your first post on this thread was calling them out by name, with zero provocation, and zero to do with the actual topic. Which is a shame because the statistics OP shared are actually super interesting. But you just can't help yourself. You, the other Don, and big lips wolf licker just have to fuck up every thread that mentions or even eludes to the #38. 

170 posts on this topic, 20+ of them yours. Yet you "don't care" lol. lmao. 🤡 

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TalinH112 wrote:

You feel better now? 

DonJulio wrote:

He is right though 

TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love to be wrong in future. Yes they would all destroy me but this is vital on an off weekend. Who of the current 250 pro guys have the killer instinct?  Davies doesn’t count he came through a different path. 

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DonJulio wrote:

He is right though 

TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

Goon645 wrote:
Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love...

Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love to be wrong in future. Yes they would all destroy me but this is vital on an off weekend. Who of the current 250 pro guys have the killer instinct?  Davies doesn’t count he came through a different path. 

Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha came over here and made our guys look silly, but I can argue that those two (Coenen Brothers) are gonna give the Lawrence brothers fits and are generational. I can understand how it looks, but I would also say I think the level has been raised so high that it takes incredible talent, that doesn’t come around often, to really dominate anymore. 

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TalinH112 wrote:
No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is...

No he’s not, but that’s alright. Phil and Zach are racing the 25+ class, that’s not the “Amateur” scene at all. 😂 Calling kids “pussies” is also not a good look for a grown man who would get “dog walked” by every single one of them. 

Goon645 wrote:
Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love...

Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love to be wrong in future. Yes they would all destroy me but this is vital on an off weekend. Who of the current 250 pro guys have the killer instinct?  Davies doesn’t count he came through a different path. 

TalinH112 wrote:
Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha...

Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha came over here and made our guys look silly, but I can argue that those two (Coenen Brothers) are gonna give the Lawrence brothers fits and are generational. I can understand how it looks, but I would also say I think the level has been raised so high that it takes incredible talent, that doesn’t come around often, to really dominate anymore. 

Levi just doesn’t have that dog in him is his problem. Jo does but it’s been like 6 years in kid class. Both need to get on 450 

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Goon645 wrote:
Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love...

Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love to be wrong in future. Yes they would all destroy me but this is vital on an off weekend. Who of the current 250 pro guys have the killer instinct?  Davies doesn’t count he came through a different path. 

TalinH112 wrote:
Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha...

Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha came over here and made our guys look silly, but I can argue that those two (Coenen Brothers) are gonna give the Lawrence brothers fits and are generational. I can understand how it looks, but I would also say I think the level has been raised so high that it takes incredible talent, that doesn’t come around often, to really dominate anymore. 

DonJulio wrote:
Levi just doesn’t have that dog in him is his problem. Jo does but it’s been like 6 years in kid class. Both need to get...

Levi just doesn’t have that dog in him is his problem. Jo does but it’s been like 6 years in kid class. Both need to get on 450 

I can seem them both doing better on the big bike due to their riding style, but I seem them along the lines of JCoop as far as ceiling goes. They can win but the circumstances have to play into their hand. 

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No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might...

No feelings hurt....... The amount of downvotes you get on almost every post i ever see from you, you are no different to him, you might keep the one username but if someone has a differing opinion to yourself you cant handle it and argue because you have to be right, the bloke is probably sick to death of it and trolling you because he knows it will get under your skin. Its an mx forum not a dick, dont take it so hard.

DonM wrote:

Apparently trolls hate me....😂😂....ask me if I care...lol!

NotTheStig wrote:
Oh no one has to ask, it's pretty clear. You care so much your first post on this thread was calling them out by name, with...

Oh no one has to ask, it's pretty clear. You care so much your first post on this thread was calling them out by name, with zero provocation, and zero to do with the actual topic. Which is a shame because the statistics OP shared are actually super interesting. But you just can't help yourself. You, the other Don, and big lips wolf licker just have to fuck up every thread that mentions or even eludes to the #38. 

170 posts on this topic, 20+ of them yours. Yet you "don't care" lol. lmao. 🤡 

All my posts about Deegan stand. I've been consistant on my views about Jett Lawrence the whole time. And on Deegan. 

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Goon645 wrote:
Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love...

Maybe you’re right, the podium interviews this week at LL seem to have a few kids with a chip on their shoulder so I would love to be wrong in future. Yes they would all destroy me but this is vital on an off weekend. Who of the current 250 pro guys have the killer instinct?  Davies doesn’t count he came through a different path. 

TalinH112 wrote:
Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha...

Julian seems to want it pretty bad. Levi can’t stay off the ground to help himself, Joe Shomoda is the same. I will agree that Sasha came over here and made our guys look silly, but I can argue that those two (Coenen Brothers) are gonna give the Lawrence brothers fits and are generational. I can understand how it looks, but I would also say I think the level has been raised so high that it takes incredible talent, that doesn’t come around often, to really dominate anymore. 

DonJulio wrote:
Levi just doesn’t have that dog in him is his problem. Jo does but it’s been like 6 years in kid class. Both need to get...

Levi just doesn’t have that dog in him is his problem. Jo does but it’s been like 6 years in kid class. Both need to get on 450 

Jo absolutely doesn't have any dog in him. He's super mellow and not aggressive in the least - apart from the one time with Donger. He's a long term 250 geriatric at this point. 

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Goon645 wrote:
Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys...

Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys "the class is drunk" "whose gonna take control" are some of the common media sayings - since Deegan left nobody has stepped up to be the guy, they have all messed up, and out of that chaos Deegan seemed like something to compare to Jett but it was never going to be the case when he went head to head. These current 250 kids dont have it, I can only look at the amateur scene as a source of that. Phil and Zacho are kicking these kids asses, Zacho fair enough he is a former champ but Phil is beating them too. Something is going wrong with the development of US talent and the Euro Wave is about to crest over the horizon where in the next 5 to 8 years more and more Euro kids will come over who are better prepared and will take to SX quickly whilst having a solid base of grit, fitness and bike skill that for some reason seems to be missing in US amateur scene and its the reason the pro 250 class is a bunch of pussies who Deegan could dog walk up and down the pro circuit till he left.

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course...

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course he didn't come out of the 'spoilt brat raised in rip off training facilities' system. 

Nothing says taking control of the class like being 7 points behind the leader in what you agreed is a weak 250 class.

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Goon645 wrote:
Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys...

Deegan came out of a weak 250 class that is the result of a failing amateur feeder program. Look at the current class of 250 guys "the class is drunk" "whose gonna take control" are some of the common media sayings - since Deegan left nobody has stepped up to be the guy, they have all messed up, and out of that chaos Deegan seemed like something to compare to Jett but it was never going to be the case when he went head to head. These current 250 kids dont have it, I can only look at the amateur scene as a source of that. Phil and Zacho are kicking these kids asses, Zacho fair enough he is a former champ but Phil is beating them too. Something is going wrong with the development of US talent and the Euro Wave is about to crest over the horizon where in the next 5 to 8 years more and more Euro kids will come over who are better prepared and will take to SX quickly whilst having a solid base of grit, fitness and bike skill that for some reason seems to be missing in US amateur scene and its the reason the pro 250 class is a bunch of pussies who Deegan could dog walk up and down the pro circuit till he left.

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course...

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course he didn't come out of the 'spoilt brat raised in rip off training facilities' system. 

Nothing says taking control of the class like being 7 points behind the leader in what you agreed is a weak 250 class.

Being a rookie while also having a dnf while Levi has finished every moto? Seth hammacker still has most laps lead and hasn’t raced since high point moto 1?

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Forgot 0-18 and zero laps led. Can't forget that.

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Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course...

Fair points except they don't apply to Cole Davies. He does have 'it' and is taking control of the class. And he's 18. And of course he didn't come out of the 'spoilt brat raised in rip off training facilities' system. 

Nothing says taking control of the class like being 7 points behind the leader in what you agreed is a weak 250 class.

DonJulio wrote:
Being a rookie while also having a dnf while Levi has finished every moto? Seth hammacker still has most laps lead and hasn’t raced since high...

Being a rookie while also having a dnf while Levi has finished every moto? Seth hammacker still has most laps lead and hasn’t raced since high point moto 1?

Davies has a huge advantage in laps led now. https://smxmuse.com/season/mx/2026/250

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