Just paid $150 so I can vote

RonSkj
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7/29/2026 5:47pm
ToolMaker wrote:

Hello? the second amendment say "the people" do you need to prove you're a "people"?

Do you see "citizen" anywhere in the second amendment?

RonSkj wrote:

Do you mean the 2nd amendment of the constitution, that starts as.. We the people of the United States. Not the people from wherever.

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Are you claiming we don't have different categories of "people"? Like "permanent residents", "citizens",....While voting is limited to citizens, The second amendment does not appear to...

Are you claiming we don't have different categories of "people"? Like "permanent residents", "citizens",....

While voting is limited to citizens, The second amendment does not appear to be. But what do I know from an 8th grade civics class?

Would you also be claiming a permanent resident does not have the constitutional protection of unreasonable search and seizure? Which just happened to come from that same constitution that says 'we the people of the united states" as you put it?

TM

I think it's clear that the people OF the United States would mean United State citizens.  

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7/29/2026 6:57pm
RonSkj wrote:

Do you mean the 2nd amendment of the constitution, that starts as.. We the people of the United States. Not the people from wherever.

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Are you claiming we don't have different categories of "people"? Like "permanent residents", "citizens",....While voting is limited to citizens, The second amendment does not appear to...

Are you claiming we don't have different categories of "people"? Like "permanent residents", "citizens",....

While voting is limited to citizens, The second amendment does not appear to be. But what do I know from an 8th grade civics class?

Would you also be claiming a permanent resident does not have the constitutional protection of unreasonable search and seizure? Which just happened to come from that same constitution that says 'we the people of the united states" as you put it?

TM

RonSkj wrote:

I think it's clear that the people OF the United States would mean United State citizens.  

Well, in legal terms, words have meaning. And also lack of words. So if you specify in one place "citizen" and not another, there's a strong argument that they intentionally left it out. It's kind of interesting how well written it is. And to think how young they were when they wrote it. But, it's all speculation between us because the constitution only means what SCOTUS tells us it means. Until then, in one area they use the term people and another area they are specific to say citizen. So, we'll agree to disagree.

TM

SEEMEFIRST
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7/30/2026 6:52am
lumpy790 wrote:

ain't America fucking great we now have to pay a $150 tax to vote by getting your passport 

Sully wrote:
You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on...

You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on Vital. Oh woah is me. Have the best day ever. 🤡

lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

Were you not already registered?

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7/30/2026 8:03am
lumpy790 wrote:

ain't America fucking great we now have to pay a $150 tax to vote by getting your passport 

Sully wrote:
You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on...

You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on Vital. Oh woah is me. Have the best day ever. 🤡

lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

Another fail. You can take your own picture. They have instructions of what they want. Why do you make it so difficult on yourself?

And then blame others for what you didn't want to do (yourself correctly)? Hmmm

TM

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7/30/2026 8:22am
Sully wrote:
You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on...

You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on Vital. Oh woah is me. Have the best day ever. 🤡

lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Were you not already registered?

There are two "Save" acts. The "Save Act" and the "Save America Act". They both require proof when registering but the "Save America Act" requires proof when you vote. That one does it for me. IMHO, the Save America Act will cause more people like me to quit voting than it will prevent an illegal alien from voting. Keep stacking up the gun laws and at some point I won't bother to get one. Same thing. 

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7/30/2026 9:21am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2026 9:22am
lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Were you not already registered?

borg wrote:
There are two "Save" acts. The "Save Act" and the "Save America Act". They both require proof when registering but the "Save America Act" requires proof...

There are two "Save" acts. The "Save Act" and the "Save America Act". They both require proof when registering but the "Save America Act" requires proof when you vote. That one does it for me. IMHO, the Save America Act will cause more people like me to quit voting than it will prevent an illegal alien from voting. Keep stacking up the gun laws and at some point I won't bother to get one. Same thing. 

People not understanding that the laws may be changing , and changeing what is acceptable proof is another problem.  With so many people on here not realizing that the law could change and a birth certificate WOULDN"T be acceptable proof. Which makes no sense to me, if You can not use the  same documents to vote, that it takes to get the document You need to vote. It's not about stopping non citizens from voting.  If it was that simple a birth certificate should be good enough .

I wouldn't be surprised if You and I are the only people posting that have read through the actual bills.    

 

There are states that are taking some of the laws and starting to enforce them at the state level. So even if it's not a federal change, it may still change at the local level and change what documents are acceptable. 

I'm attaching a screen shot that will let people know if they live in a state that the process to register to vote, or vote has changed. 

 

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7/30/2026 10:58am

When you’re posting graphs, pie charts, or studies you’ve already lost.

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lumpy790
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7/30/2026 11:11am
Sully wrote:
You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on...

You're aware you could have just brought a copy of your birth certificate, right? Oh, but then you wouldn't have been able to play victim on Vital. Oh woah is me. Have the best day ever. 🤡

lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

ToolMaker wrote:
Another fail. You can take your own picture. They have instructions of what they want. Why do you make it so difficult on yourself?And then blame...

Another fail. You can take your own picture. They have instructions of what they want. Why do you make it so difficult on yourself?

And then blame others for what you didn't want to do (yourself correctly)? Hmmm

TM

We tried that going by their passport rules and it failed. 

The $20 CVS passport photos failed 2 times and that was using 2 different pictures processed at CVS by the passport crew total of 4 pictures. BTW this is the same CVS that worked for both of us the 1st time 11 years ago.

We had to pay $20 each again for the pictures that we shot using a white sheet hanging from our fence in my back yard and processed by an on line passport company.

Why are the pictures shot by professionals more difficult ???

$340 total 

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7/30/2026 12:34pm
lumpy790 wrote:
If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really...

If I walked in to vote with my 65 year old folded up birth certificate (yes I have the original) saying its me do you really think I would be able to vote with it?

Everything is so in the air With all the flip flopping going on whats valid and my passport had expired I wasn’t going to risk it. Same for my wife

Im still not sure if I can vote on who moves forward on Lindsey Grahams replacement.in a few days.

BTW filing took 3 days to get our picture to work and that was having the pic done at CVS passport 2 times and didn't work.

BTW its finally filed and the amount is now up to $170 each for both of us.

ToolMaker wrote:
Another fail. You can take your own picture. They have instructions of what they want. Why do you make it so difficult on yourself?And then blame...

Another fail. You can take your own picture. They have instructions of what they want. Why do you make it so difficult on yourself?

And then blame others for what you didn't want to do (yourself correctly)? Hmmm

TM

lumpy790 wrote:
We tried that going by their passport rules and it failed. The $20 CVS passport photos failed 2 times and that was using 2 different pictures processed...

We tried that going by their passport rules and it failed. 

The $20 CVS passport photos failed 2 times and that was using 2 different pictures processed at CVS by the passport crew total of 4 pictures. BTW this is the same CVS that worked for both of us the 1st time 11 years ago.

We had to pay $20 each again for the pictures that we shot using a white sheet hanging from our fence in my back yard and processed by an on line passport company.

Why are the pictures shot by professionals more difficult ???

$340 total 

Can't be wearing a gray or dark green shirt on the passport picture.  I had mine done over 6 years ago and was informed that I need to wear a different shirt in the pic.  

7/30/2026 2:41pm
ShellyMX wrote:

When you’re posting graphs, pie charts, or studies you’ve already lost.

Not sure what you think I'm trying to prove. I'm not arguing anything so no chance of me winning or losing  None of what I've posted in this thread has been an argument for or against the requirements. Most has been info that explains what may be required. 

The only people that will be losing are the ones who try to vote and are told they can not due to not having the proper ID. 

 

A regular Driver's lic. To vote or register to vote MAY just not be good enough ANYMORE  depending on what state You live in .  

 

 That chart shows states Voting laws have been changed to ones that are similar to the SAVE act.  And that are NEW, most put into law in 2026  

I didn't bother reading most of the states changes. I saw my state hasn't changed yet so I'm all set as long as the federal law isn't changed.I know that anybody who doesn't just go check on their own is not going to care enough to read what I've said about their state. So whatever. 

 

In NH in a local election they turned away 250 people from one polling station the first election they had when they put the new laws into place. There is a very strong chance that happens on a larger scale in many of those states with laws that have changed. It appears republicans are either in denial or hoping they can spread misinformation and stop  others from voting. Not sure why else they would be saying misleading things about the required ID. Seems like it would hurt republicans if they show up without the proper ID and are unable to vote. After reading the  Save act bills and knowing what would be required, In my opinion it's a strange strategy.  

 

 Are they just that stubborn that they have to disagree with their own laws if somebody they label as a liberal, TDS suffer/ non trump blower/etc. happens to retype them out?  

 

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Reese95w
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7/30/2026 2:49pm
lumpy790 wrote:

ain't America fucking great we now have to pay a $150 tax to vote by getting your passport 

But the good news is you can now get a passport with Trump's picture on it. 😆

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gt80rider
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7/30/2026 3:23pm

"If voting made any difference, it would be illegal"... mark twain... 

We are ruled by the epstein class... you voting means your compliance, nothing more... 

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gt80rider
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7/30/2026 3:24pm
Not sure what you think I'm trying to prove. I'm not arguing anything so no chance of me winning or losing  None of what I've posted...

Not sure what you think I'm trying to prove. I'm not arguing anything so no chance of me winning or losing  None of what I've posted in this thread has been an argument for or against the requirements. Most has been info that explains what may be required. 

The only people that will be losing are the ones who try to vote and are told they can not due to not having the proper ID. 

 

A regular Driver's lic. To vote or register to vote MAY just not be good enough ANYMORE  depending on what state You live in .  

 

 That chart shows states Voting laws have been changed to ones that are similar to the SAVE act.  And that are NEW, most put into law in 2026  

I didn't bother reading most of the states changes. I saw my state hasn't changed yet so I'm all set as long as the federal law isn't changed.I know that anybody who doesn't just go check on their own is not going to care enough to read what I've said about their state. So whatever. 

 

In NH in a local election they turned away 250 people from one polling station the first election they had when they put the new laws into place. There is a very strong chance that happens on a larger scale in many of those states with laws that have changed. It appears republicans are either in denial or hoping they can spread misinformation and stop  others from voting. Not sure why else they would be saying misleading things about the required ID. Seems like it would hurt republicans if they show up without the proper ID and are unable to vote. After reading the  Save act bills and knowing what would be required, In my opinion it's a strange strategy.  

 

 Are they just that stubborn that they have to disagree with their own laws if somebody they label as a liberal, TDS suffer/ non trump blower/etc. happens to retype them out?  

 

Good grief the bullchit npc's are willing to beLIEve... 

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