Trump says "Iran agreed to everything"

LoudLove wrote:

Most of us don’t “hate” Trump or disagree with most overarching policies. It’s a lack of clearly defined goals and mismanaged implementations that create concerns.  Immigration...

Most of us don’t “hate” Trump or disagree with most overarching policies. It’s a lack of clearly defined goals and mismanaged implementations that create concerns.  Immigration reform and corralling Iran’s nuclear program are worthy endeavors tackled in ramshackle fashion. ICE became more of a problem for Trump than a solution, and Iran proved to be problematic.  It’s these ham-fisted approaches that leave us lifelong conservatives shaking our heads. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Let's be clear, many of us ARE conservatives which comes from those wanting to "conserve" the good. You're so bent about the process that you fail...

Let's be clear, many of us ARE conservatives which comes from those wanting to "conserve" the good. You're so bent about the process that you fail to acknowledge we are both conservative. But your sacred "methods" have gotten us into such a quagmire by surrendering our power to the liberal democrats that the things we want to conserve have eroded away. You may not like the heavy hand of action but your sacred methods have lost me many of the things that were good in life. Like the ability to walk the streets in the evening (or even day time) without confrontation. The ability to start a business without a government official walking in every week to inspect some bullshit regulation. So while Trump's methods may be over the top on some issues, your way has proven a disaster. That being said, I wish you'd consider new ways to conserve the things that we grew up with that are good.

TM

LoudLove wrote:

Seriously?  You lost rights because of democrats?  Well, TM, that’s on you. I’ve lost zero rights under any White House administration. Why?  Because where you live...

Seriously?  You lost rights because of democrats?  Well, TM, that’s on you. I’ve lost zero rights under any White House administration. Why?  Because where you live has a much greater impact than who inhabits 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Want to walk freely at night?  MOVE!  Don’t like Cali taxes?  MOVE!  Don’t like the color of your neighbor’s house?  MOVE!  But don’t expect DJT to fix things for you. Maybe on a national level some things have improved, but it’s outside your front door matters. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

First , the post of mine that You quoted  asking me why I hate trump,  I said I do not hate him. I do not hate...

First , the post of mine that You quoted  asking me why I hate trump,  I said I do not hate him. I do not hate him.  I think he is a poor leader who is too selfish for being an effective public servant.  That doesn't mean I hate him, or that I automatically endorse  whatever the opposite is of what he's doing.

 

Let's say this last quoted poster hates Trump. Or maybe they just think he's crazy,   or maybe they hate him because they think he is a sociopathic lunatic? 

 

 How does somebody posting that they do not like him mean that they are siding with criminal's? It's not that simple.    

 

   Have You tried going and looking up some of what the Democratic leaders have said as far as why they were objecting to those things?  Why do You choose not to take them at their word? and choose to write if off as baseless hate?    

 

  Can I ask You if You hate democrats, and that's why You oppose what they want to do?  Or do you oppose their police's because they do not align with Your beliefs of what is right for the country ?  

 

ToolMaker wrote:

"  Can I ask You if You hate democrats, and that's why You oppose what they want to do?  Or do you oppose their police's because...

"  Can I ask You if You hate democrats, and that's why You oppose what they want to do?  Or do you oppose their police's because they do not align with Your beliefs of what is right for the country ? "

Democrats don't like police so there is that. Their ide is to defund police. But seriously, their policies are shit. I did actually put up campaign posters in my yard for a democrat that I thought had good values and would influence the machine with those values. But their leadership is causing them to destroy our way of life. Plain and simple. I don't need full on men in the locker room with my daughter, I not only don't need it I don't want it, and neither does she. I don't want a good portion of my tax dollars to house illegal immigrants while veterans are in need of a LOT of help. I feel bad for people in other countries but until we solve our own problems to a reasonable degree, only then we can focus on bringing in the needy. There are however some places that are killing of segments of their population that do need immediate attention to which we adjust, however, the exception NEVER makes for a good rule.

TM

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Sorry I had written police's and meant policies . Looks like you got what I meant. But Do You see what I mean? You dislike the Democrat...

Sorry I had written police's and meant policies . Looks like you got what I meant. 

But Do You see what I mean? You dislike the Democrat policies that You feel like are wrong for the country. Why is it so hard to believe that Democrat leaders dislike the way Trump is doing stuff or his policies on other things?  and are not opposing just out of hate for him personally? It's the same thing. They have a different way of how they would like the country to go that's all. You may dislike democrats who are still for policies You disagree with. But its not the blind hate for them, its their actions right? 

 

 To be fair, Democrats have not been for defunding police for a while now, and they did realise the border policy they had wasn't what the majority wanted and they did try to change that a year before Trump was re elected but they couldn't get it to pass because Trump asked republicans to Not support it. So that he could get the credit when he took office. So if it was purely about the security of the border and safety of the country, the Republicans allowed it to continue for a year longer than it needed to. 

 

 Israel duped Trump into thinking Iran would be easy. They have been saying the same thing for many many years. His advisors told him it wouldn't be easy .  Trump could have still gone into Iran , and listened to the advisors that told him what would happen and had a plan in place to address it. It still wouldn't have been what I personally would have prefered he did. But  the chance for being successful quicker would have been higher if You were prepared for everything.

 

Chance1216 wrote:

This should be an Olympic Sport…. 

This should be an Olympic Sport…. 

ToolMaker wrote:

"Trump isn’t any different then previous presidents. He’s getting his buddies rich, getting involved in foreign affairs, and screwing over middle class Americans.   What is...

"Trump isn’t any different then previous presidents. He’s getting his buddies rich, getting involved in foreign affairs, and screwing over middle class Americans.   What is different is his hold on the Republican Party. Anyone that defies him is a pariah. "

Really? The previous administration was doling out billions of our tax $$$$s to their friends under the guise of grants. Those grants then got fed back to the Democrat machine to keep getting them elected. Hey Stacey, where did you get all that money from? Your nonprofit did what less than a thousand dollars before that grant? Hmmm, sounds pretty legit to me.

NO equivalence.

TM

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, that? 

That’s different! 

soggy wrote:

This is exactly the problem I’m talking about. Diehards on both sides think their side is above board and their both scum. I’ll state it again politics...

This is exactly the problem I’m talking about. Diehards on both sides think their side is above board and their both scum. 

I’ll state it again politics in this country is broken. People can’t even talk to eachother. Which is very evident on here when people are so quick to jump down another’s throat at any small mistake or grievance. 

We’re so fucking cooked because all we have is a bunch of cheerleaders on either side that represent a small fraction of the population and the majority of us and just left saying, What The Fuck?

It’s so damn short-sighted, death by 1,000 paper cuts. 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

LoudLove wrote:

Seriously?  You lost rights because of democrats?  Well, TM, that’s on you. I’ve lost zero rights under any White House administration. Why?  Because where you live...

Seriously?  You lost rights because of democrats?  Well, TM, that’s on you. I’ve lost zero rights under any White House administration. Why?  Because where you live has a much greater impact than who inhabits 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Want to walk freely at night?  MOVE!  Don’t like Cali taxes?  MOVE!  Don’t like the color of your neighbor’s house?  MOVE!  But don’t expect DJT to fix things for you. Maybe on a national level some things have improved, but it’s outside your front door matters. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Holy shit Batman. You're actually saying run away from problems? And for the record, the inhabitant of 1600 Pensylvania Ave. makes a huge difference. Just the...

Holy shit Batman. You're actually saying run away from problems? And for the record, the inhabitant of 1600 Pensylvania Ave. makes a huge difference. Just the fact that you complain so much about him is evidence of that. And yes CA is awful in their policies but nothing is a free lunch. Independent of government over reach CA is pretty fricken awesome. We just have some really brain rotted people here. So you think the universities would have changed their gender/dei policies with a dem inhabitant? C'mon man, you know better than that.

TM

LoudLove wrote:

I complain ‘cause it’s fun!  My news sources are:Mover and GonkyWard CarrollNon-MotoI literally consume no other media. But watching the shit slinging from both sides in...

I complain ‘cause it’s fun!  My news sources are:

Mover and Gonky

Ward Carroll

Non-Moto

I literally consume no other media. But watching the shit slinging from both sides in this monkey cage is entertaining. 

And I still firmly believe locality plays a massively larger role in our daily lives than the White House. Want proof?  Come visit me in Ormond Beach!  We both have the same president but apparently vastly different situations. So it’s ain’t the executive branch that’s influencing your quality of life. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Sorry I had written police's and meant policies . Looks like you got what I meant. But Do You see what I mean? You dislike the Democrat...

Sorry I had written police's and meant policies . Looks like you got what I meant. 

But Do You see what I mean? You dislike the Democrat policies that You feel like are wrong for the country. Why is it so hard to believe that Democrat leaders dislike the way Trump is doing stuff or his policies on other things?  and are not opposing just out of hate for him personally? It's the same thing. They have a different way of how they would like the country to go that's all. You may dislike democrats who are still for policies You disagree with. But its not the blind hate for them, its their actions right? 

 

 To be fair, Democrats have not been for defunding police for a while now, and they did realise the border policy they had wasn't what the majority wanted and they did try to change that a year before Trump was re elected but they couldn't get it to pass because Trump asked republicans to Not support it. So that he could get the credit when he took office. So if it was purely about the security of the border and safety of the country, the Republicans allowed it to continue for a year longer than it needed to. 

 

 Israel duped Trump into thinking Iran would be easy. They have been saying the same thing for many many years. His advisors told him it wouldn't be easy .  Trump could have still gone into Iran , and listened to the advisors that told him what would happen and had a plan in place to address it. It still wouldn't have been what I personally would have prefered he did. But  the chance for being successful quicker would have been higher if You were prepared for everything.

 

ToolMaker wrote:

Why in the world would you claim he had/has no plan? Because you don't know what it is does not equal that there is none.Why do...

Why in the world would you claim he had/has no plan? Because you don't know what it is does not equal that there is none.

Why do you claim he was duped by Isaer? Were you involved in some top secret meetings? Because when 2 peoples goals align, does no way indicate one dragged another into it. Trump's desire to defang Iran is consistent with his statements decades ago. Are you going to argue Israel started influencing Trump to be president and take care of Iran decades ago?

TM

The real Sasquatch wrote:

I would say that it's not been the best plan. and see my other posts. Tired of going in circles.   Imagine if  we had a democrat in...

I would say that it's not been the best plan. and see my other posts. Tired of going in circles. 

 

Imagine if  we had a democrat in office. We would be in a  war that we can't get out of,  cutting  a  deal that results in $100's of billions in funding for some of the worst terra groups ,everything would cost more,  Inflation would be at a record high, You would have half naked people rolling around together on the south lawn of the white house , Insider trading  out in the open , the Epstein list would still be secret and mostly redacted, boys would be peeing in girls bathrooms.       It would be a mess,   

 

It is magical the power of positive thinking,perspective, and what a person  chooses to focus on.