Central Florida's Bithlo Closed

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:49pm
I tried to go to Bithlo today and it was schedule to be open from 10am until 5pm. I arrived to notice the gates were locked down. I called the track # 407-568-2271 and received a message they are closed due to an emergency. Not sure if someone was very seriously injured type of emergency or something else. The track never opens on time anymore and it is rumored to have serious financing problems. Let hope the gates are not permanently closed and they can straighten their track out. I wish the mean lady was back, she at least ran the track smoothly.
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Who knows, with the track record of this crap happening down here. They have an area qualifier scheduled but that doesn't mean anything nowadays either. I'd bet it's something temporary or they just put the sign up because they didn't feel like opening the track.
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I don't guess it's cause they are snowed in and can't get out like us....
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2/2/2011 8:48am
many tracks in Florida have closed like the seminole motocross park. which sucks as the closest track is L-cross which is like 150+ miles from here.
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2/2/2011 9:21am
who cares bithlo sucked anyway..however the fact that seminole closed is a huge bummer

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rgmx-49 wrote:
many tracks in Florida have closed like the seminole motocross park. which sucks as the closest track is L-cross which is like 150+ miles from here...
many tracks in Florida have closed like the seminole motocross park. which sucks as the closest track is L-cross which is like 150+ miles from here.
Man I miss that place so much. Spent almost every week there for like 8 years and in a second it was closed. Then after so many people showed how much they loved it they said they were considering opening on another location in area but i think it was just to get people to back off on thier disappointment . I have not been the same since. it was my sanctuary. If bithlo closes it will be bad because it will be like the fourth track to close in a year or two.
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2/2/2011 9:33am Edited Date/Time 2/2/2011 9:33am
hopefully the track stays open. Its never good when a track closes down. Its also a place where I had some of my best rides and a place that ended my short racing career,Its the place I broke my neck and stopped racing.
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How is Lcross anyway? It is at a 4x4 park and no irrigation that i can imagine but I pass by it all the time fishing lake okeechobee. We have been going to Sunshine and Thundercross which seem like peewee tracks compared to seminole. Plus i drive 2+ hours to Sunshine and pay $30 for like 3 or 4 15 minute sesions. Seminole you pay 20 bucks and ride all day on multiple long and wide tracks.
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Bellone wrote:
I tried to go to Bithlo today and it was schedule to be open from 10am until 5pm. I arrived to notice the gates were locked...
I tried to go to Bithlo today and it was schedule to be open from 10am until 5pm. I arrived to notice the gates were locked down. I called the track # 407-568-2271 and received a message they are closed due to an emergency. Not sure if someone was very seriously injured type of emergency or something else. The track never opens on time anymore and it is rumored to have serious financing problems. Let hope the gates are not permanently closed and they can straighten their track out. I wish the mean lady was back, she at least ran the track smoothly.
Did some checking when I read this. We spend some time in Florida and Bithlo has always been a great track.
Turns out the track manager had a personal emergency (not track related) and was unable to work that day. The track is not in any financial trouble, in fact, I was told they are planning some track changes in the near future.

The "mean lady", aka Susan, only works on weekends.



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I heard the closed it due to money issues. many people have told me that apparently Jack stole like 300 grand.....but i cant confirm that.
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How is Lcross anyway? It is at a 4x4 park and no irrigation that i can imagine but I pass by it all the time fishing...
How is Lcross anyway? It is at a 4x4 park and no irrigation that i can imagine but I pass by it all the time fishing lake okeechobee. We have been going to Sunshine and Thundercross which seem like peewee tracks compared to seminole. Plus i drive 2+ hours to Sunshine and pay $30 for like 3 or 4 15 minute sesions. Seminole you pay 20 bucks and ride all day on multiple long and wide tracks.
L-cross is not like the Seminole track but its pretty nice, the dirt is good.
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2/2/2011 10:15am
Guys Bithlo is not closed. They're nearly the only game in town since 3 other nearby tracks closed in the past couple years.

Also, about the "mean lady"; Susan has a bad rep among IDIOTS. She comes down on IDIOTS that don't follow the track safety rules such as pit riding and not being around when their kid crashes and needs help.
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2/2/2011 10:27am
rgmx-49 wrote:
I heard the closed it due to money issues. many people have told me that apparently Jack stole like 300 grand.....but i cant confirm that.
Yeah I heard something like that also, I heard it was a lot but I didn't think it was that much.

I'm glad to hear Bithlo is fine, its been there a long time. Every time I think of Seminole being closed I get bummed out, I miss that place. I'm going to try out L-Cross soon, I hear Greg is there and he always puts together a good track.
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2/2/2011 10:32am
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Man I miss that place so much. Spent almost every week there for like 8 years and in a second it was closed. Then after so...
Man I miss that place so much. Spent almost every week there for like 8 years and in a second it was closed. Then after so many people showed how much they loved it they said they were considering opening on another location in area but i think it was just to get people to back off on thier disappointment . I have not been the same since. it was my sanctuary. If bithlo closes it will be bad because it will be like the fourth track to close in a year or two.
Is there a common theme in these closures?
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rgmx-49 wrote:
I heard the closed it due to money issues. many people have told me that apparently Jack stole like 300 grand.....but i cant confirm that.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Yeah I heard something like that also, I heard it was a lot but I didn't think it was that much. I'm glad to hear Bithlo...
Yeah I heard something like that also, I heard it was a lot but I didn't think it was that much.

I'm glad to hear Bithlo is fine, its been there a long time. Every time I think of Seminole being closed I get bummed out, I miss that place. I'm going to try out L-Cross soon, I hear Greg is there and he always puts together a good track.
I heard he spent it on a big house......gossip.
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I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is was in the early 2000's.

Hmm, what has changed since then?
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Orange724 wrote:
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is...
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is was in the early 2000's.

Hmm, what has changed since then?
if I were to start guessing my first would be the economy......?
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I started going to Bithlo in 1978 it sucked then also! It use to have alot of mud.
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Orange724 wrote:
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is...
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is was in the early 2000's.

Hmm, what has changed since then?
Some on this site would like to ban discussion on that particular topic during the month of February.

I guess not discussing it will make it disappear.

It will eventually, but it will be the entire sport dying a slow death instead of the particular reason a lot of us feel that the sport is suffering.

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if I were to start guessing my first would be the economy......?
If you look at the history of our sport you will see that it saw remarkable growth in the mid 70's, early 80's, and early 90's.

All these were times when the economy was going through tough times.

As a promoter I can testify to the remarkable growth the sport saw around 2000.

You might want to look a little deeper to find the reason that our sport has seen such a drastic drop in the number of participants since around 2005.
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Huckster wrote:
if I were to start guessing my first would be the economy......?
JustMX wrote:
If you look at the history of our sport you will see that it saw remarkable growth in the mid 70's, early 80's, and early 90's...
If you look at the history of our sport you will see that it saw remarkable growth in the mid 70's, early 80's, and early 90's.

All these were times when the economy was going through tough times.

As a promoter I can testify to the remarkable growth the sport saw around 2000.

You might want to look a little deeper to find the reason that our sport has seen such a drastic drop in the number of participants since around 2005.
Let me take a stab at it hmmmmmmmm 4 strokes right?
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What about Forrest Glen MX did it close also?
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I offered Greg a place to live as I had a rental available but he said he did not know anyone in my area so he went back to the east coast. i did not know he was at L-cross. Going to give it a try. Yea there was some money laundering or some type of cash scandal and the tribe said scrap all the guy involved projects including the mx track. I am still sick anbout it. Doublezeroproductions family are such great moto people and went way out of thier way to try and help save the track. They are a true moto loving family and support our sport in so many ways. Thank you to them for thier efforts.
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Yes i rode forest glen last year before it closed and it had a lot of potential but it also closed. I think I heard people did not like the owner or managers attitude. I never met him but i did see him yell at a mini rider that if he went around the waist high sand whoops again he was going to get kicked out which i thought was a little harsh as half the kids there were struggling and going around them and it was just open field next to them. I liked them.
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Susan gives back what she gets.....it's a two way street.
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greed....no need for any shit as for they were making plenty of money. track was always full and it was located in the perfect place with plenty of land.
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I will say there were only like 20-30 riders at Seminole on week days which was heaven to us but it could not be good for business. The weekends and race days were packed to the rim though. same with Forest glen. The last time i rode there it was a perfect day in the 60's and about ten people whick does not cover the flaggers pay i would imagine. I don't think that Seminole had a $$ issue without the scandal. They had just put 100000 in upgrades and had contracts for a lot more before this BS happened.
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yeah during weekdays it was empty....with work and school taking place. its a shame they closed down the best track in south Florida.
as miamicross also had issues cause they were taking dirt from the city....but that track was kinda garbage any ways.
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Huckster wrote:
if I were to start guessing my first would be the economy......?
JustMX wrote:
If you look at the history of our sport you will see that it saw remarkable growth in the mid 70's, early 80's, and early 90's...
If you look at the history of our sport you will see that it saw remarkable growth in the mid 70's, early 80's, and early 90's.

All these were times when the economy was going through tough times.

As a promoter I can testify to the remarkable growth the sport saw around 2000.

You might want to look a little deeper to find the reason that our sport has seen such a drastic drop in the number of participants since around 2005.
Why do you think you need to look deeper than the economy in general?

Motocross is a expensive sport, and most dollars that track owners depend on to keep the gates open come from non-professional participants. A significant portion of these are also blue-collar types that would be impacted by, for example, the housing/construction market collapsing. Florida was hit extra hard in that area.

The drywall guy who back in 2006 used his credit cards and 2nd mortgage to roll in with his whole family and $40k worth of bikes and toy hauler, paying $100 at the gate each weekend has since been cut off or foreclosed upon. They're not showing up at tracks anymore, they're out pole-fishing on the intercoastal waterways drinking PBR right now. It's not a matter of what kind of bike is cheaper when the bank has cut off your credit or or you're only getting half the work you used to.

Quick Track closed because the land they leased was sold, the whole speedway complex is being developed. Ace closed for other financial reasons. Just like everything, there is a "correction" still in the works, which just means a smaller market that we all have to live with. Motocross in California and Florida aren't going anywhere soon, although we may have to go further afield to ride good tracks.

Walt
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OldTiddler wrote:
Why do you think you need to look deeper than the economy in general? Motocross is a expensive sport, and most dollars that track owners depend...
Why do you think you need to look deeper than the economy in general?

Motocross is a expensive sport, and most dollars that track owners depend on to keep the gates open come from non-professional participants. A significant portion of these are also blue-collar types that would be impacted by, for example, the housing/construction market collapsing. Florida was hit extra hard in that area.

The drywall guy who back in 2006 used his credit cards and 2nd mortgage to roll in with his whole family and $40k worth of bikes and toy hauler, paying $100 at the gate each weekend has since been cut off or foreclosed upon. They're not showing up at tracks anymore, they're out pole-fishing on the intercoastal waterways drinking PBR right now. It's not a matter of what kind of bike is cheaper when the bank has cut off your credit or or you're only getting half the work you used to.

Quick Track closed because the land they leased was sold, the whole speedway complex is being developed. Ace closed for other financial reasons. Just like everything, there is a "correction" still in the works, which just means a smaller market that we all have to live with. Motocross in California and Florida aren't going anywhere soon, although we may have to go further afield to ride good tracks.

Walt
Because it IS more than just the economy.

In the mid to late 70's inflation was in the double digits and interest was close to 20%, and yet our sport took off during that time.

It was still affordable recreation.

Anybody with any mechanical ability could maintain their bike.

Now are in the midst of a perfect storm.

The economy sucks, the cost of racing has skyrocketed (in part becuase of the change to fourstroke techonology), and dealers are going out of business left and right (discussed in another thread).

Pricing the middle class out of our sport is a major blunder by those that have been steering the direction of our sport.

The economy is simply speeding up the process, and if corrections aren't made soon, Moto may not ever recover to the participant based sport that many of us love so much.
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Orange724 wrote:
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is...
I talked to a few track owners in VA, they all have a common theme, rider turnout is about is half or less of what is was in the early 2000's.

Hmm, what has changed since then?
The biggest issue I see with a lot of the southern tracks is too many fair weather riders.
If its below 65 or drizzling no one shows up.
Its become more common in the north too but no where near as bad as the southern tracks.

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