Do first moto results count for non-points paying positions in the outdoors?

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How does a 39-21 (60) beat a 24-24 (48) or other combined scores less than 60? 

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That is true. I'm not asking about points paying positions.

What I'm asking is how a 39th in Moto 1 and 21st Moto 2 (sums to 60) beat a 24th in Moto 1, 24th in Moto 2 (sums to 48)? 

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mtl wrote:
That is true. I'm not asking about points paying positions.What I'm asking is how a 39th in Moto 1 and 21st Moto 2 (sums to 60)...

That is true. I'm not asking about points paying positions.

What I'm asking is how a 39th in Moto 1 and 21st Moto 2 (sums to 60) beat a 24th in Moto 1, 24th in Moto 2 (sums to 48)? 

Because 21st gets a point. 

39 21 is 1 championship point

24 24 is zero championship points 


so 39 21 beats 24 24 


A 24 24 would be a 39 22 but that’s not what the result was 

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Got it, that helps. Thank you. 

What about a 30-25 (Oldenberg)  beating a 23-27 (Hammond) or 22-28 (Locurcio)? 

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It looks like positions outside of point scoring are determined from 2nd moto result.

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 I think it's silly when guys say they know they had the overall so they didn't need/push for another position etc.  when every point counts toward the title. Overalls don't actually mean anything except hardware and bonus money. 

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mtl wrote:

Got it, that helps. Thank you. 

What about a 30-25 (Oldenberg)  beating a 23-27 (Hammond) or 22-28 (Locurcio)? 

When no points are scored, I believe second moto score matters most.

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6/9/2026 6:28pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2026 7:43pm
mtl wrote:

Got it, that helps. Thank you. 

What about a 30-25 (Oldenberg)  beating a 23-27 (Hammond) or 22-28 (Locurcio)? 

Don’t go to Racer X for official results. They just lump all non scoring points racers in at the end and sort by moto 2 finish, completely ignoring moto 1. 

Official Results have it listed correctly. Racer X listing inaccurate results has bugged me for a long time. For as big of an outlet as they are they really should do a better job with that stuff. 

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Edit to add: they don’t do it every time. Their results posting is inconsistent. I have found many scoring issues on the Racer X site over the years. Sometimes in points paying positions too. I don’t know why they don’t just list the results from the official results. 

6/9/2026 6:39pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2026 6:40pm

I don’t know how it’s actually done but to me it should be points with 2nd moto tie breaker then for all non scoring riders combined moto results and place them that way. However, then you have the guys who are dnq for moto 1 and alternate for moto 2 so it does get sticky. 

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