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5/26/2026 10:41am
M1000 wrote:
I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent...

I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent menu. Ordered my burger, fries, shake. Was satisfied customer. Wish we had in Canada, however we already have too many burger joints. Definitely recommend in/out. 👍👍

TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore...

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore .😂

What blows me away is I know some blue collar type young men in their 20's and they eat out EVERY DAY for lunch. Leave the jobsite, garage and go spend $15-$20 on lunch. Good grief! That's $300-$400 a month for lunch!

Whatever happened to packing a sandwich, an apple and a diet soda?

Anyways, Tennessee seems to be the place everybody in blue states wants to move to.

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5/26/2026 11:23am
TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore...

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore .😂

What blows me away is I know some blue collar type young men in their 20's and they eat out EVERY DAY for lunch. Leave the...

What blows me away is I know some blue collar type young men in their 20's and they eat out EVERY DAY for lunch. Leave the jobsite, garage and go spend $15-$20 on lunch. Good grief! That's $300-$400 a month for lunch!

Whatever happened to packing a sandwich, an apple and a diet soda?

Anyways, Tennessee seems to be the place everybody in blue states wants to move to.

And that’s not counting the 7 dollar coffee every morning.😂

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5/26/2026 11:42am

I agree about In and out. Overrated! 

M1000 wrote:
I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent...

I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent menu. Ordered my burger, fries, shake. Was satisfied customer. Wish we had in Canada, however we already have too many burger joints. Definitely recommend in/out. 👍👍

TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

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5/26/2026 11:50am
It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore...

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore .😂

What blows me away is I know some blue collar type young men in their 20's and they eat out EVERY DAY for lunch. Leave the...

What blows me away is I know some blue collar type young men in their 20's and they eat out EVERY DAY for lunch. Leave the jobsite, garage and go spend $15-$20 on lunch. Good grief! That's $300-$400 a month for lunch!

Whatever happened to packing a sandwich, an apple and a diet soda?

Anyways, Tennessee seems to be the place everybody in blue states wants to move to.

And that’s not counting the 7 dollar coffee every morning.😂

No, no no. $7 for 2 energy drinks.

The $7 coffee is spent by their wife after they drop the kid off at Pre-School.

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M1000 wrote:
I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent...

I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent menu. Ordered my burger, fries, shake. Was satisfied customer. Wish we had in Canada, however we already have too many burger joints. Definitely recommend in/out. 👍👍

TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

LewDizzle wrote:

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

And the patties keep getting thinner!😂

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JRT812 wrote:
I've wondered why states and cities act like this. It's frustrating because they push everyone out and they end up here in TN. I wonder if...

I've wondered why states and cities act like this. It's frustrating because they push everyone out and they end up here in TN. I wonder if it is similar to how some claim, they brought illegals in certain states to get them to vote and turn the state from right to left. Are they making certain places crappy enough, so people move to another state and get it to turn? People won't change their views on things just because they left one state and went somewhere else. We know the ones doing the pushing arent going to change their viewpoint either

Either way, TN is a crappy place to live and no need to even entertain coming here...same for Georgia, Florida, NC, Alabama....well you can go to Alabama if you want now that I think about it

SEE ARE125 wrote:
I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or...

I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or Illinois. Anywhere but the southeast. Nothing but humidity and mosquitos here. It’s awful. You can hardly find a place with a good açaí bowl either, mostly biscuits and gravy and fried stuff. Yuck. Definitely do not move here. 

JRT812 wrote:
Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck...

Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck of the woods. 

Someone mentioned we have in and out burgers earlier. In and out and also whataburger are garbage. I was excited to try both as everyone talks them up and they were let downs. 

I concur completely.

I live near johhson city and it sucks.

People exhibit obvious signs of mental illness by constantly waving and offering assistance if you appear to have a problem.

Always up in your business:

"How are you?"

"How is your family?"

"How is everything?"

Spooky.....

And there are no state income taxes, so nobody is paying their fair share on the state level. Bunch of free loaders.

Even the pan handlers are idiots.

Their signs just say "Will work."

And if you do crave "in n out", you are sol unless you are in sanfranasheville.

We have poor substitutes like PALS and Hardees (do not believe what you hear,not anything like carl jr's).

I pray for the day i can pack up and leave this shithole.

Please for the love of all that is good, please do not relocate here.

Your friends and family will ridicule you.

Your significant other will run off with a farmer, and your dog will run away.

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SEE ARE125 wrote:
I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or...

I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or Illinois. Anywhere but the southeast. Nothing but humidity and mosquitos here. It’s awful. You can hardly find a place with a good açaí bowl either, mostly biscuits and gravy and fried stuff. Yuck. Definitely do not move here. 

JRT812 wrote:
Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck...

Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck of the woods. 

Someone mentioned we have in and out burgers earlier. In and out and also whataburger are garbage. I was excited to try both as everyone talks them up and they were let downs. 

JustMX wrote:
I concur completely.I live near johhson city and it sucks.People exhibit obvious signs of mental illness by constantly waving and offering assistance if you appear to...

I concur completely.

I live near johhson city and it sucks.

People exhibit obvious signs of mental illness by constantly waving and offering assistance if you appear to have a problem.

Always up in your business:

"How are you?"

"How is your family?"

"How is everything?"

Spooky.....

And there are no state income taxes, so nobody is paying their fair share on the state level. Bunch of free loaders.

Even the pan handlers are idiots.

Their signs just say "Will work."

And if you do crave "in n out", you are sol unless you are in sanfranasheville.

We have poor substitutes like PALS and Hardees (do not believe what you hear,not anything like carl jr's).

I pray for the day i can pack up and leave this shithole.

Please for the love of all that is good, please do not relocate here.

Your friends and family will ridicule you.

Your significant other will run off with a farmer, and your dog will run away.

😁😁😁😁

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6/1/2026 3:17pm
M1000 wrote:
I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent...

I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent menu. Ordered my burger, fries, shake. Was satisfied customer. Wish we had in Canada, however we already have too many burger joints. Definitely recommend in/out. 👍👍

TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

LewDizzle wrote:

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!

From Duck-Duck…

The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part of the city's annual adjustment based on inflation.

🤣

Oh, isn’t the left wonderful?

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TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

LewDizzle wrote:

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

TeamGreen wrote:
WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!From Duck-Duck…The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part...

WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!

From Duck-Duck…

The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part of the city's annual adjustment based on inflation.

🤣

Oh, isn’t the left wonderful?

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

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M1000 wrote:
I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent...

I don’t agree. Flying down to Anaheim couple years ago from Alberta Canada. Stopped at in/out for quick burger. Was impressed. Good burger, clean shop, excellent menu. Ordered my burger, fries, shake. Was satisfied customer. Wish we had in Canada, however we already have too many burger joints. Definitely recommend in/out. 👍👍

TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore...

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore .😂

I’ve gotta go to Nevada to insure/register a coupl’a vehicles & get my new DL. I’ll stop at the In-n-Out…and get a #2. I think we’ll be surprised at the price…it’s pretty good. 

Gotta cast my last California ballot and then become a Nevadan.

From here on out, I’m voting with my feet.

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6/1/2026 4:08pm
SEE ARE125 wrote:
I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or...

I agree, TN is terrible. I would leave if I could. Anyone leaving California, New York or Seattle I would highly suggest Ohio or Michigan or Illinois. Anywhere but the southeast. Nothing but humidity and mosquitos here. It’s awful. You can hardly find a place with a good açaí bowl either, mostly biscuits and gravy and fried stuff. Yuck. Definitely do not move here. 

JRT812 wrote:
Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck...

Yeah it’s the worst.  Between the two places my family is from Georgia and Tennessee…I say run for the hills. Complete crap down in this neck of the woods. 

Someone mentioned we have in and out burgers earlier. In and out and also whataburger are garbage. I was excited to try both as everyone talks them up and they were let downs. 

JustMX wrote:
I concur completely.I live near johhson city and it sucks.People exhibit obvious signs of mental illness by constantly waving and offering assistance if you appear to...

I concur completely.

I live near johhson city and it sucks.

People exhibit obvious signs of mental illness by constantly waving and offering assistance if you appear to have a problem.

Always up in your business:

"How are you?"

"How is your family?"

"How is everything?"

Spooky.....

And there are no state income taxes, so nobody is paying their fair share on the state level. Bunch of free loaders.

Even the pan handlers are idiots.

Their signs just say "Will work."

And if you do crave "in n out", you are sol unless you are in sanfranasheville.

We have poor substitutes like PALS and Hardees (do not believe what you hear,not anything like carl jr's).

I pray for the day i can pack up and leave this shithole.

Please for the love of all that is good, please do not relocate here.

Your friends and family will ridicule you.

Your significant other will run off with a farmer, and your dog will run away.

Here in Kentucky's even worse. All the same problems, and more Dairy Queen's....

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6/1/2026 4:16pm
LewDizzle wrote:

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

TeamGreen wrote:
WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!From Duck-Duck…The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part...

WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!

From Duck-Duck…

The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part of the city's annual adjustment based on inflation.

🤣

Oh, isn’t the left wonderful?

MoogenKen wrote:
The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid...

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

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6/1/2026 4:31pm
TeamGreen wrote:
WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!From Duck-Duck…The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part...

WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!

From Duck-Duck…

The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part of the city's annual adjustment based on inflation.

🤣

Oh, isn’t the left wonderful?

MoogenKen wrote:
The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid...

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

Chance1216 wrote:

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

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6/1/2026 4:38pm
MoogenKen wrote:
The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid...

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

Chance1216 wrote:

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

MoogenKen wrote:
That’s insanity. The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500...

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

Six figures is the new, 60K

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6/1/2026 5:30pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore...

It’s almost 20+ to any fast food joint, and that’s solo.  One thing that’s a plus for me though is….. I don’t eat so much anymore .😂

TeamGreen wrote:
I’ve gotta go to Nevada to insure/register a coupl’a vehicles & get my new DL. I’ll stop at the In-n-Out…and get a #2. I think we’ll...

I’ve gotta go to Nevada to insure/register a coupl’a vehicles & get my new DL. I’ll stop at the In-n-Out…and get a #2. I think we’ll be surprised at the price…it’s pretty good. 

Gotta cast my last California ballot and then become a Nevadan.

From here on out, I’m voting with my feet.

Can we get a review of the burger and fry too?👍🏻

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6/1/2026 8:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2026 2:15pm
MoogenKen wrote:
The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid...

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

Chance1216 wrote:

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

MoogenKen wrote:
That’s insanity. The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500...

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

For roughly 35 years after WWII, America had very high top tax rates, relatively low income concentration, and CEO pay that was tens of times worker pay. After top rates were dramatically reduced beginning in the 1980s, income concentration and executive compensation rose dramatically. Whether the tax cuts were the cause, a contributing factor, or merely coincidental is debatable. The historical correlation is not.

I’m not claiming tax rates are the only cause of inequality. I’m observing that inequality remained relatively stable during decades of very high top rates and accelerated after those rates were dramatically reduced.
 

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6/5/2026 10:29am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2026 10:31am
MoogenKen wrote:
The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid...

The average rent in Seattle is $2100 a month. 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know the cost of living in Seattle is stupid. Actually, it’s ridiculous across the nation. 

When the median house price outweighs the median income, there’s a problem. The influx in our population, even due to illegal immigration, has driven the home market out of the hands of a lot of Americans. 

Tell me why to rent a little shit house, in the middle of BFE Texas, should be $1800 a month? 

Chance1216 wrote:

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

MoogenKen wrote:
That’s insanity. The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500...

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

Well, a big part of the problem is everyone thinks they need 2,500 Sq. Ft homes.

We lived in what I guess was 1,000 sq. ft. house when I was born. No central A/C, no garage, basic appliances, and no dryer. We got by fine.

 If they started making those again, maybe people could afford what was once called a "Starter Home".

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TeamGreen wrote:
Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier...

Your point is valid amongst “Fast Food” chains.

As others have said, Fatburger, Five Guys and others…including McDonald’s…have lost their fucking minds when it comes to thier pricing. 

LewDizzle wrote:

Someone's gotta cover the $20+ hr minimum wage

TeamGreen wrote:
WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!From Duck-Duck…The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part...

WRONG! You’re goin’ too easy on Seattle!!!

From Duck-Duck…

The minimum wage in Seattle for 2026 is $21.30 per hour, effective January 1, 2026. This increase is part of the city's annual adjustment based on inflation.

🤣

Oh, isn’t the left wonderful?

This happened because Seattle is convinced that a job at a burger joint or coffee shop should be a career job. 

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6/5/2026 12:20pm
Chance1216 wrote:

$2,200 for a two bedroom apartment just south of Seattle. 
Nothing fancy. 


 

MoogenKen wrote:
That’s insanity. The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500...

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
For roughly 35 years after WWII, America had very high top tax rates, relatively low income concentration, and CEO pay that was tens of times worker...

For roughly 35 years after WWII, America had very high top tax rates, relatively low income concentration, and CEO pay that was tens of times worker pay. After top rates were dramatically reduced beginning in the 1980s, income concentration and executive compensation rose dramatically. Whether the tax cuts were the cause, a contributing factor, or merely coincidental is debatable. The historical correlation is not.

I’m not claiming tax rates are the only cause of inequality. I’m observing that inequality remained relatively stable during decades of very high top rates and accelerated after those rates were dramatically reduced.
 

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In 1960, the top 1% paid 13% of federal income taxes. Due to deductions and loopholes, the top 1% paid an effective tax rate (the only number that actually means anything) of around 43%. 

The top 1% nowadays only pay about 39% of federal income taxes.

 

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That’s insanity. The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500...

That’s insanity. 

The median home price in the United States is $417,000 and median income is $51,000. That math doesn’t math. How do you make a $2500 a month mortgage, when you only bring home $3100 a month after tax? 

I’m not an economist but this shit doesn’t make any sense to me. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
For roughly 35 years after WWII, America had very high top tax rates, relatively low income concentration, and CEO pay that was tens of times worker...

For roughly 35 years after WWII, America had very high top tax rates, relatively low income concentration, and CEO pay that was tens of times worker pay. After top rates were dramatically reduced beginning in the 1980s, income concentration and executive compensation rose dramatically. Whether the tax cuts were the cause, a contributing factor, or merely coincidental is debatable. The historical correlation is not.

I’m not claiming tax rates are the only cause of inequality. I’m observing that inequality remained relatively stable during decades of very high top rates and accelerated after those rates were dramatically reduced.
 

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vet323 wrote:
In 1960, the top 1% paid 13% of federal income taxes. Due to deductions and loopholes, the top 1% paid an effective tax rate (the only...

In 1960, the top 1% paid 13% of federal income taxes. Due to deductions and loopholes, the top 1% paid an effective tax rate (the only number that actually means anything) of around 43%. 

The top 1% nowadays only pay about 39% of federal income taxes.

 

So the top 1% should be clamoring to go back to the higher marginal tax rate, correct?  So they could get back down to the paying only 13% of all the federal income taxes paid?  It sounds like you are saying that lowering the highest marginal tax rates hurt the top 1%......

I'm not arguing that higher marginal rates made the wealthy worse off. In fact, one could argue the opposite. My question is whether the very high postwar marginal rates encouraged wealthy individuals and corporations to reinvest profits into domestic expansion, equipment, R&D, and employees rather than extracting them as personal compensation or moving capital elsewhere.

The rich are unquestionably richer today than they were in 1960. The question is whether the incentives created by the tax code changed where the gains went and how they were used.  Something is causing this rapid expansion between the wealthy and the 'regular folk', and this is likely at least a pretty good sized part of it.  

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Thanks to the influx of refugees (from California and others) we now have trailer houses in BFE renting for $1500 a month! Make any of it make sense? 

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Thanks to the influx of refugees (from California and others) we now have trailer houses in BFE renting for $1500 a month! Make any of it...

Thanks to the influx of refugees (from California and others) we now have trailer houses in BFE renting for $1500 a month! Make any of it make sense? 

That’s cheap! On my way!!! 😂

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That’s cheap! On my way!!! 😂

Could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s the problem. Californian’s, New Yorkers, and others moving in, driving the price up so Texans can’t live here. 

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Big City America

One Giant Cluster-Fuck

I wonder what the common aspect of all that fail is? 

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Big City America

One Giant Cluster-Fuck

I wonder what the common aspect of all that fail is? 

That they have nowhere near the violent crime rate as many rural counties?  

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That they have nowhere near the violent crime rate as many rural counties?  

You’re delusional if you believe that. Why is it that you feel the need to defend that shithole city of yours?

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Well, a big part of the problem is everyone thinks they need 2,500 Sq. Ft homes.We lived in what I guess was 1,000 sq. ft. house...

Well, a big part of the problem is everyone thinks they need 2,500 Sq. Ft homes.

We lived in what I guess was 1,000 sq. ft. house when I was born. No central A/C, no garage, basic appliances, and no dryer. We got by fine.

 If they started making those again, maybe people could afford what was once called a "Starter Home".

Ditto that.  Our place in Corpus was about the same as you cited about 1000sqft.   Built during WW2, on piers, wood floor and shiplap walls and roof deck.  Siding on outside was asbestos shingles. One bathroom.  No A/C just an attic fan.  Heat was two 'in the wall' gas heater dealios that had ceramic blocks in them, one in the living room, one in the kitchen.   You just froze in your bedroom in winter and sweat like a mofo all summer laying next to the open window praying for a breeze.    '67 Ford Falcon wagon for the entire family with three on the tree.

 

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TeamGreen wrote:

Big City America

One Giant Cluster-Fuck

I wonder what the common aspect of all that fail is? 

APLMAN99 wrote:

That they have nowhere near the violent crime rate as many rural counties?  

Sometimes I think you drink and then post.

You go ahead and do your usual “turn up your nose” at the country folk and we’ll reminisce about Chicago.

Geezus, you sure try hard; and, fail. 

Hers one for you: how much crime in Big City America is ACTUALLY reported?

You’re our own Charles Schumer. 

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