Some Chassis and suspension work on the Triumph TF450

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Due to the success I had with FCP race cups on the 2025 CRF 450 ( great on that chassis btw I highly recomend !!),

I installed FCP race cups on the Triumph

Not cheap and a bit trickyer to install on this bike than it was on the Honda BUT imo this is a good mod for this bike as well. The high speed busyness down fast straights is usefully reduced AND I noticed no negatives in turn performance. In fact it feels as if the sweet spot has opened up a bit and its easyer to work both the front and rear contact as you move into and through corners. Before it seemed to switch between rear wheel and front wheel steering in a less refined manor. Now it feels more predictable and I felt confidence rising as settings where taylored to the new head angle. The front initially rode high with previous settings. Eventually I ended up lowering front 2mm ( raise fork tubes) AND backed compression clicker out 2 clicks ( less firm). This aparently nessasary as the more raked out front has a different friction action in fork tubes causing a higher ridding front. Once these changes were made it all came into focus and I was starting to ride with less grip and more confidence. 

Overall the cups are a confidence boost and I felt I was hanging on less and using less energy overall. As far as the "planted feel" of the front goes.... It was better, a bit more confidence in this area. Its not Honda like planted BUT it was overall a better bike. This isnt an inside line bike and that didnt change, BUT its usefully better everywhere else. Also I did not experience any significant increase in front feel heavyness wich I did a bit on the Honda. So far so good....

NEXT I installed the FCP Head Stays. Again not cheap BUT again a usefull improvment imo. Most notably was the effect on square edged bumps. The triumph chassis has more comfort than most others. The FCP head stays added to that noticably. Best way I can discribe this is square edged bumps felt rounded off. Less sharp edged in feel. For the old man this is greatWink . Anyone looking to get a bit more comfort will benafit from these. When ya look at these mounts ya wonder how can that be? Whats the difference?  Shape tells the story. They are a bit stiffer laterally, (taller beam height than stock) , yet a bit more flexy in twist ( a bit thinner and an open area in the middle). This changes the flex characture in a way that works a bit better with this chassis.  I do not believe you will get this same performance by buying the cut open 2026 triumph head stays. They do not do the same things exactly. The other thing I noticed was a bit less vibration above idle and all the way to the limiter. When ya change the stiffness of any part of a stucture ya change the way things resonate. Often ya cannot eliminate but only move the vibes around. That seems to be whats happened here as at idle it seems the vibes are a bit worse BUT everywhere else its noticably better. A good engineering trade off. BTW No setting changes needed on this one

LAST change was  a Titainium swing arm pivot axle and two Titainium engine mount bolts again from FCP. At this point I am not certain what the benafit here is. I was toast by the time I made this change and the track had changed too much to compare to the beginning of test, so I will have to go back n forth with the stock stuff another day.......

So far the cups and the head stays are imo worth the coin AND the workmanship, quality, fit and finnish are first rate on these components. Everything fit perfectly and looks great.

 

Here are the settings using stock suspension components valving I have landed on so far for a 180lb vet expert ridding a variety of terrain ( the Compound MX track in Fulton NY, Broome Tioga Sports center track in Richford NY, and Jacksons MX track in Campvill NY)  From deep sand and loam to hard pack. Click up and down from here to suit conditions.......

FORKS

2mm up in clamps( measured from just below cap), Compression 15 out from full hard( this takes the harsh edge off the stock setting of 13 out),  Rebound 10 out, coils changed from .51Kg stock to .48 Kg AND 350 cc (stock is 310cc) of 0w-16 motor oil in outers ( better slide than fork fluid imo in outers AND better seal life as well, if this freaks ya out then use standard fork oil, its not a huge difference), this increase in oil level in outer tubes compensate for the softer coils and gives hold up and bottom resistance. This worked better with the FCP race cups than the stock coils and oil heights that rode too high with the cups

SHOCK

105mm sag ( see note below!), comp16 out ( again this takes harsh edge off, it appears this bike has too much low speed damp and not enough high speed giving both a harshness and a blow through in stroke and simply adding more low speed clicker to compensate only makes it more harsh), Rebound 12 out, High speed compression only 1 turn out (  with low speed comp opened up a bit the shock blows through the stroke way too much in g outs and hard acceleration so turning the high speed in to only 1 turn out gets the hold up back without the harshness.  dont be afrade to go less or more here to fine tune). Ya gotta  love the way the KYB stuff responds to adjustments. 

SAG is critical and this chassis is sensative! . AND sag is a meaningless number without more info than you usually getWink . Im at 105 mm sag from axle center to mark on fender standing balanced on foot pegs( dont grip bike hard with knees to balance or you will load chassis eather front or rear and change readings. This part important, My Axle is back from center position about 5 mm. If your axle is at center of adjustment the same settings will give approx 103-4 sag, and if your axle is ahead of center a bit then sag will be in the 101-102mm range. In the end sag adjustments are very tricky to Repeate on any bike and the fancy digital sag meters are nice but not imune to same user errors SO after adjustment go by feel out on track. Dont just believe a number is the last word. If the rear feels low and or has a "hard,pounding off the bumper" feel ya need to raise the rear  a bit (lower sag number), AND often just 1 mm makes a noticable difference so dont spin that spanner rig too much. If your stink bugged tall in rear feel then lower the rear a bit. ALWAYS remember 1 mm matters on sag or fork height!!! This chassis is more finiky than I expected! 

Im starting to like this bikeWink and have to wonder what it will be with some more refined valving..... thats on the way

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5/14/2026 7:23am

Keefer is going to be out of a job!

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5/14/2026 2:49pm

So you spent $1500 on chassis parts to "fix" the handling when your still riding on stock valving... Makes sense 

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5/17/2026 12:59pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2026 1:13pm

well I supose you have a good point. However this isnt my first rodeo AND enough has been done to the stock suspensoion prior to, and during this test, to know the basic characture of this chassis. The desier was to see what the FCP parts were capable of with the stock suspension with  changes like springs, oil heights, extreems of settings etc etc. The settings I offer above are an attempt to get as wide a use setting as I could without  valving changes. They gave a useful improvment over stock settings and a  baseline that can be easily clicked up/down for a variety of terain for the average joe . The FCP parts were a plus no matter what I threw at the suspenders and consistantly gave a similar performance improvment each time. data data data.....

For sure the stock valving needs work and yes I am looking forward to the improvment that will bring and how it all reacts when compared again to the chassis mods. Valving, as well as a likley return to the .51 Kg front coils is next. 

5/18/2026 8:58pm
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well I supose you have a good point. However this isnt my first rodeo AND enough has been done to the stock suspensoion prior to, and...

well I supose you have a good point. However this isnt my first rodeo AND enough has been done to the stock suspensoion prior to, and during this test, to know the basic characture of this chassis. The desier was to see what the FCP parts were capable of with the stock suspension with  changes like springs, oil heights, extreems of settings etc etc. The settings I offer above are an attempt to get as wide a use setting as I could without  valving changes. They gave a useful improvment over stock settings and a  baseline that can be easily clicked up/down for a variety of terain for the average joe . The FCP parts were a plus no matter what I threw at the suspenders and consistantly gave a similar performance improvment each time. data data data.....

For sure the stock valving needs work and yes I am looking forward to the improvment that will bring and how it all reacts when compared again to the chassis mods. Valving, as well as a likley return to the .51 Kg front coils is next. 

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1 day ago Edited Date/Time 1 day ago

I would add this......

Ive done a bunch of development work over the last 40 years or so. Much of it dealing with the undesierable reactions and resonances in structures related to audio transducers(loudspeakers). I would say The most valuable, and the most frustratingWink ,  thing I learned was this, you can throw all sorts of work at the "suspensions" in an attempt to tame  problems, BUT untill you get the basic action of the "chassis" right, you will never realize the devices true potential. AND that last 10% is what takes the product from good to great. Its not a linear relationship. The numbers dont tell the whole story about a humans preception of performance.

In other words, geting the chassis right first( in speaker desgn this would be the basic behaviour of the speaker diaphragm or the "cone"), then fine tune with the suspensions and damping methods( this part would be the speaker cones surrounding suspension components) , has shown to be the best approach. Of course this is within reason. The suspension needs to be at least in the ballpark or you cannot tell whats happening.

In the dirt bike world I too often see the opposite happening. We are given a chassis thats designed more around the assembly line, then all sorts of effort to overcome its fundamental issues with the suspension. For sure good work has been done here by some BUT its high time we started to see more effort on chassis design and refinement. 

Most would be suprised to find that the struggle they have with getting the elusive "plush/firm" action in their bikes feel is more often than not a chassis issue, not a suspension issue. Thats not at all to downplay the suspensions importance, its simply to make aware that the chassis is often the first place look. 

And yes, some have overcome a nasty in their chassis feel with suspension work HOWEVER when ya have to push one area of a design too much to overcome an issiue in another area, you always have a compermise that will show itself somewhere. The best designs have a more balanced approach that has all components working together speading the load more equilly so to speak. 

 

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Wow.  That’s a lot of work to put into a bike that might shit a transmission halfway through a moto and send you over the bars. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Wow.  That’s a lot of work to put into a bike that might shit a transmission halfway through a moto and send you over the bars...

Wow.  That’s a lot of work to put into a bike that might shit a transmission halfway through a moto and send you over the bars. 🤷🏻‍♂️

when / IF I goto sell my TF450 I will be able to advertise as "better than new"

Triumph cheaped out on transmission parts finnish BUT not design. As it turns out the design is fine, it was simply that they did not put a final finnish on the gear dogs and  pockets ( they left them ruff cast and left machining burs around pocket edges). Thats the sticky gritty hard shift feel people are experiencing, AND there was a raised marking on 3-4 gear shiift fork that was rubbing against the gears and tilting them on their shafts causing a sticktion and false nutrals. I went through my transmission early on. Polished the dogs and pockets with metal polish and a cotton tipped dremel tool, and ground off the raised mark on 3-4 gear. It shifts like butter now and in 15 hrs on this work it has not hit one single false nutral. The design was fine, the fine finnish of parts was not. I also had my shift fork shafts DLC coated. Cost 150$. That part may not have been bessasary BUT cheap insurance as those shafts were quite soft and sticky. Anyway a bit of elbo grease and not a lot of money and all is well. If that didnt work out I would have sold the bike before doing any mods to chassis. The reason I even bought the Triumph in first place was the potential I see in the chassis design. Its not an assembly line queenWink .

BTW I also found a bunch of red scotch bright pad material in my gear box. Ive seen similar in videos of people chaging oil and seeing what they thought was sealant on their screens. Its not. Im not talking about the black stringy pieces of sealant, Im talking about light colored wads that look like silicone. again there not. When those wads of scotch bright pad material are soaked with oil it looks like silicone sealant. Squeeze out the oil out and put it under a scope and compare what ya see to scrotch bright pad. Its identical. AND Im going to make a guess here so take this with a grain of salt. My engine wasnt the only one with scotch bright wads in it. I suspect Triumph may have left them in on purpose. WHY? as a "break in medium". Leaving the dogs and pockets on gears  rough and maybe adding the scotch bright pad material as a way for it all to "polish up" in use. I know this sounds controversial BUT the design of these motors and the flow path of oil tthrough screens may keep the pad material from entering more critical parts and they saved a penny not doing final finnish and rely on the abrasive to wear it all in??  Again thats speculation BUT the number of times Ive seen this sugests its done purposly, not simply an accident at manufacture. 

I can tell ya this. Im starting to like this bike now, HOWEVER if the new Honda manages to overcome the harshness I feel in that chassis AND keep all the basic handling and ergos they are famous for, I will kick the Triumph out the door simply on principle. IMO they pulled a fast one here and their reluctance to deal with it in a meaningfull way has lost my respect. 

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