Trump says "Iran agreed to everything"

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Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

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Dudley wrote:
Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out...

Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

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It appears Iran is acting out, gotta let them throw their little last minute fits. Wait 1 week, we'll see if it's real

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OriginMX wrote:

Everything he says is a lie. He is not capable of speaking the truth. 

He's being lead by Netanyahu, who wants the Greater Israel...https://www.eurasiantimes.com/netanyahus-greater-israel-remarks/

He's being lead by Netanyahu, who wants the Greater Israel...

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/netanyahus-greater-israel-remarks/

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You are correct. Netanyahu is a total psycho. 

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Dudley wrote:
Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out...

Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

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Would you look at that. He was full of shit again

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Dudley wrote:
Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out...

Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

Trumps own advisors, to include Rubio said Israel was full of shit. CIA claimed regime change was possible if their definition of regime change was taking out irans leaders with a military strike but didn’t extend beyond that. Israel oversold the possibilities to get the US involved, and his own cabinet told him the Israelis are known to do this and that our own intelligence doesn’t line up with what Bibi was saying… but trump listened to Israel anyway. 

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Would you look at that. He was full of shit again

But Wall Street still believes his shit, and there was a big rally yesterday.  I'm sure Eric, Don Jr., & Ivanka made out well buying back in before the Friday rally.

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Dudley wrote:
Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out...

Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to go into Iran is a head scratcher.   Trump literally said Biden would go to war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate. Now he’s done exactly went he said the previous guy would do and the right is eating it up. 

And now it appears he was full of shit when he said the straight is fully open. 

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ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

Damn dude, we’re just debating and I’m not a democrat. I took your first response as passive aggressive and guess I did the same so I apologize. You just made it personal so now I’m Bowing out of this conversation. Going to watch some racing today then riding my dirt bike tomorrow. Have a nice day. 

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Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

soggy wrote:
The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to...

The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to go into Iran is a head scratcher.   Trump literally said Biden would go to war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate. Now he’s done exactly went he said the previous guy would do and the right is eating it up. 

And now it appears he was full of shit when he said the straight is fully open. 

You are absolutely correct. Both sides put out a narrative. Trump's position on Iran has been for many years. Well before his presidency he talked about going after Kharg Island if Iran did not stop what they were doing. So far, you have to admit that a Biden war would be substantially different than a Trump thumping. How many years did NK blow off missiles and the US would give them big $$s to stop, then again a few years later, rinse and repeat. Trump came in and said, we're doing things differently now. When they realized the gravy train was stuck at the station, diplomacy with Trump happened. All these little countries are misbehaving little kids because no one ever dished out discipline. Iran is an example for the world that discipline will happen. There's more to this than Iran, this also has caused China to reassess their position as they get a LOT of oil from Iran, and cheap. This maneuver has helped slow down China's ambition of dominance. Couple that with Venezuela, and you just put a big hurt on China and OPEC. So when people say we haven't gotten anything, one has to wonder what they are focused on. Many times it's just the dem talking points. How "about I wish he'd listen to his advisors"? That's just another way of saying "I wish he'd do what I wanted". More of what hasn't worked. So let's see what next week brings. Iran knows they are done, these things are just so they think they can negotiate vs sit there and be told how it is. In reality, they'll have to sit there and listen to how it is. Maybe Monday, maybe Thursday? But they are done. Let's revisit this 1 week from now and see where we are.

TM

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Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

Dudley wrote:
Damn dude, we’re just debating and I’m not a democrat. I took your first response as passive aggressive and guess I did the same so I...

Damn dude, we’re just debating and I’m not a democrat. I took your first response as passive aggressive and guess I did the same so I apologize. You just made it personal so now I’m Bowing out of this conversation. Going to watch some racing today then riding my dirt bike tomorrow. Have a nice day. 

Sorry for the personal attack, we good?

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Sorry for the personal attack, we good?

tm

No worries man, all is good 👍

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ToolMaker wrote:
You are absolutely correct. Both sides put out a narrative. Trump's position on Iran has been for many years. Well before his presidency he talked about...

You are absolutely correct. Both sides put out a narrative. Trump's position on Iran has been for many years. Well before his presidency he talked about going after Kharg Island if Iran did not stop what they were doing. So far, you have to admit that a Biden war would be substantially different than a Trump thumping. How many years did NK blow off missiles and the US would give them big $$s to stop, then again a few years later, rinse and repeat. Trump came in and said, we're doing things differently now. When they realized the gravy train was stuck at the station, diplomacy with Trump happened. All these little countries are misbehaving little kids because no one ever dished out discipline. Iran is an example for the world that discipline will happen. There's more to this than Iran, this also has caused China to reassess their position as they get a LOT of oil from Iran, and cheap. This maneuver has helped slow down China's ambition of dominance. Couple that with Venezuela, and you just put a big hurt on China and OPEC. So when people say we haven't gotten anything, one has to wonder what they are focused on. Many times it's just the dem talking points. How "about I wish he'd listen to his advisors"? That's just another way of saying "I wish he'd do what I wanted". More of what hasn't worked. So let's see what next week brings. Iran knows they are done, these things are just so they think they can negotiate vs sit there and be told how it is. In reality, they'll have to sit there and listen to how it is. Maybe Monday, maybe Thursday? But they are done. Let's revisit this 1 week from now and see where we are.

TM

Yes let’s wait and see but everything Trump admin has said since last June just feels like a lot of hot air and posturing to his base so far. Hes claimed victory probably a half dozen times so far.

Iran isn’t some ‘little’ country and I think the admin has been using a ready fire aim approach since it all began. 

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Dudley wrote:

war hasn’t gained us much either 🤔 unless the outcomes change

ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

soggy wrote:
The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to...

The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to go into Iran is a head scratcher.   Trump literally said Biden would go to war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate. Now he’s done exactly went he said the previous guy would do and the right is eating it up. 

And now it appears he was full of shit when he said the straight is fully open. 

Why act surprised when anything happening doesn’t mirror what any politician says? 

Cautious optimism is one thing. Getting roped in, hook, line and, sinker is another. 

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The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), finalized on July 14, 2015, was an agreement between Iran and the P5+1 (U.S., U.K., France, China, Russia, plus Germany) and the EU to limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. 

Key Aspects of the 2015 JCPOA:
  • Nuclear Constraints: Iran agreed to cut its enriched uranium stockpile by 98% (to 300 kg) and restrict enrichment levels to 3.67%.
  • Infrastructure Limits: The deal required a two-thirds reduction in operational centrifuges and a redesign of the Arak reactor to prevent plutonium production.
  • Verification: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was granted extensive, unprecedented access to monitor compliance.
  • Sanctions Relief: Iran received relief from international sanctions, unlocking roughly $100 billion in frozen assets.
  • Enforcement: A "snapback" mechanism allowed for the automatic reinstatement of sanctions if Iran violated the terms.

The agreement, which took effect in January 2016, aimed to extend Iran's nuclear "breakout time" to over a year. TRUMP withdrew from the pact in 2018, leading to a subsequent breach of limitations by Iran.

Trump and his clown posse will never negotiate a better agreement than we had in 2015.  He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration.  That's all of what Trump's been about in both his terms,  undoing what the previous guy accomplished and then peeing on it to mark his territory.

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Reese95w wrote:
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), finalized on July 14, 2015, was an agreement between Iran and the P5+1 (U.S., U.K., France, China, Russia...

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), finalized on July 14, 2015, was an agreement between Iran and the P5+1 (U.S., U.K., France, China, Russia, plus Germany) and the EU to limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. 

Key Aspects of the 2015 JCPOA:
  • Nuclear Constraints: Iran agreed to cut its enriched uranium stockpile by 98% (to 300 kg) and restrict enrichment levels to 3.67%.
  • Infrastructure Limits: The deal required a two-thirds reduction in operational centrifuges and a redesign of the Arak reactor to prevent plutonium production.
  • Verification: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was granted extensive, unprecedented access to monitor compliance.
  • Sanctions Relief: Iran received relief from international sanctions, unlocking roughly $100 billion in frozen assets.
  • Enforcement: A "snapback" mechanism allowed for the automatic reinstatement of sanctions if Iran violated the terms.

The agreement, which took effect in January 2016, aimed to extend Iran's nuclear "breakout time" to over a year. TRUMP withdrew from the pact in 2018, leading to a subsequent breach of limitations by Iran.

Trump and his clown posse will never negotiate a better agreement than we had in 2015.  He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration.  That's all of what Trump's been about in both his terms,  undoing what the previous guy accomplished and then peeing on it to mark his territory.

Hadn't really thought of you as racist before but to claim this was to undo what was done by a BLACK PRESIDENT? You're really stooping to a new low.

TM

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Dudley wrote:
Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out...

Hopefully they can reach a deal and send our troops home. Seems like diplomacy should have been first step but Isreal had intel to take out their entire leadership in one strike I suspect. Which almost worked but they didn’t think about the succession plan. I think we also underestimated the Iranian support for the ayatollah control cause they sure haven’t jumped on this opportunity to free themselves. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Yes, we tried diplomacy for the last 40 years. It was working great, just another 40 years and we'd have seen real progress. 

Diplomacy was working, for 40 years Iran didn't have a nuclear weapon.

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Learn to read more carefully and comprehend TM.

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Reese95w wrote:

Learn to read more carefully and comprehend TM.

" He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration."

What other way to take this than Reese thinks it's a race issue?

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ToolMaker wrote:
So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best...

So you're willing to give diplomacy 40+ years of failure and keep doing the same thing but less than 2 months in, you know what's best. Maybe climb out of the basement and get some sun, explore the world around you. there's more going on than the dem narrative.

TM

soggy wrote:
The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to...

The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to go into Iran is a head scratcher.   Trump literally said Biden would go to war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate. Now he’s done exactly went he said the previous guy would do and the right is eating it up. 

And now it appears he was full of shit when he said the straight is fully open. 

Chance1216 wrote:

Why act surprised when anything happening doesn’t mirror what any politician says? 

Cautious optimism is one thing. Getting roped in, hook, line and, sinker is another. 

Trump has said Iran has "agreed to everything".

Iran’s lead negotiator, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, has said they are "far from agreement".

They can't both be true, one side has to be lying!

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Reese95w wrote:

Learn to read more carefully and comprehend TM.

ToolMaker wrote:
" He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration."What other way to take this...

" He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration."

What other way to take this than Reese thinks it's a race issue?

That doesn't make Reese a racist, he's calling out Trump as a racist.

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soggy wrote:
The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to...

The right may not like it but they are also following a narrative. From no more wars, stay focused on home soil to we had to go into Iran is a head scratcher.   Trump literally said Biden would go to war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate. Now he’s done exactly went he said the previous guy would do and the right is eating it up. 

And now it appears he was full of shit when he said the straight is fully open. 

Chance1216 wrote:

Why act surprised when anything happening doesn’t mirror what any politician says? 

Cautious optimism is one thing. Getting roped in, hook, line and, sinker is another. 

Trump has said Iran has "agreed to everything".Iran’s lead negotiator, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, has said they are "far from agreement".They can't both be true, one side...

Trump has said Iran has "agreed to everything".

Iran’s lead negotiator, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, has said they are "far from agreement".

They can't both be true, one side has to be lying!

“They can't both be true, one side has to be lying”

So, why is everyone surprised when a person in some form of government lies? 

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Chance1216 wrote:

“They can't both be true, one side has to be lying”

So, why is everyone surprised when a person in some form of government lies? 

agreed, i take the standing position they are both likely lying 

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Chance1216 wrote:

Why act surprised when anything happening doesn’t mirror what any politician says? 

Cautious optimism is one thing. Getting roped in, hook, line and, sinker is another. 

Trump has said Iran has "agreed to everything".Iran’s lead negotiator, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, has said they are "far from agreement".They can't both be true, one side...

Trump has said Iran has "agreed to everything".

Iran’s lead negotiator, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, has said they are "far from agreement".

They can't both be true, one side has to be lying!

Chance1216 wrote:

“They can't both be true, one side has to be lying”

So, why is everyone surprised when a person in some form of government lies? 

I'm not surprised, I'm surprised there are still people who believes everything their government tells them.

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1000015268

 

In case anyone is wondering where the Strait of Hormuz is located.. 🤪

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Reese95w wrote:

Learn to read more carefully and comprehend TM.

ToolMaker wrote:
" He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration."What other way to take this...

" He screwed up the deal just because he had to undo what was done under a black president's admin administration."

What other way to take this than Reese thinks it's a race issue?

That doesn't make Reese a racist, he's calling out Trump as a racist.

And yet he's trying to use racism to win an argument where there's no evidence of it. Why not keep it out of the conversation?

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  In case anyone is wondering where the Strait of Hormuz is located.. 🤪
1000015268

 

In case anyone is wondering where the Strait of Hormuz is located.. 🤪

There's a way to make a thread interesting.

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ToolMaker wrote:

And yet he's trying to use racism to win an argument where there's no evidence of it. Why not keep it out of the conversation?

Trump did make some pretty unfounded and outlandish claims about Obama and his citizenship and right to be president. But yea that was dumb of Reese. I don’t think it’s Trump is being racist I think he just wants to try and discredit anyone that disagrees or doesn’t go along with everything he says. 

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