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Void Main 1/16/2011 5:42pm
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FHKRacingZ wrote:
When Reed says assisted bikes he means traction control type action through the ecu/ecm. Suzuki has had these on the LTR450 race quads since 08. Here...
When Reed says assisted bikes he means traction control type action through the ecu/ecm. Suzuki has had these on the LTR450 race quads since 08. Here is a write up on them.

"“The Logics System monitors throttle position and the RPM’s and the speed at which that throttle and RPM quickness is hit. Basically it measures how fast the rider reacts.” Explained Lopusnak. “The ECM adjusts the spray which helps control traction and doesn’t allow the wheels to spin quite as fast. There will still be quite a bit of wheel spin, but what it does is it slows down the wheel spin to give you much better traction. This was one thing that was key and it showed much better times in the lap times.”"

http://www.atvriders.com/atvreviews/suzuki2008ltr450quadraceratvpressin…
Wouldn't a system like that prevent you from quickly revving the bike when you are nose low over a triple?
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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 5:45pm
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Traction control would prevent wheel spin. Watch from RC racing RM's until now. You will notice how much less roost comes off the factories rear tires than other bikes. Also watch some years with pro circuit bikes outdoors. You will notice how much their rear tires stay like "stuck" to the ground!
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Void Main 1/16/2011 5:48pm
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Gym Briggs wrote:
Traction control would prevent wheel spin. Watch from RC racing RM's until now. You will notice how much less roost comes off the factories rear tires...
Traction control would prevent wheel spin. Watch from RC racing RM's until now. You will notice how much less roost comes off the factories rear tires than other bikes. Also watch some years with pro circuit bikes outdoors. You will notice how much their rear tires stay like "stuck" to the ground!
Again, how does it work when you are in the air over a big jump? Wouldn't TC prevent you from revving the bike to spin the rear wheel faster to change your attitude (bring the nose back up if it's low).
sbarrington314 1/16/2011 5:48pm
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Gym Briggs wrote:
Traction control would prevent wheel spin. Watch from RC racing RM's until now. You will notice how much less roost comes off the factories rear tires...
Traction control would prevent wheel spin. Watch from RC racing RM's until now. You will notice how much less roost comes off the factories rear tires than other bikes. Also watch some years with pro circuit bikes outdoors. You will notice how much their rear tires stay like "stuck" to the ground!
couldnt be good throttle control? i would think that would help make the rider a good rider.

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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 5:56pm
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You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking out rider error! That's why they do this stuff! Will make everyone have windham like throttle control!
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Void Main 1/16/2011 5:58pm
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You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking...
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking out rider error! That's why they do this stuff! Will make everyone have windham like throttle control!
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that!

But how? If it works like that on the ground then why wouldn't it work like that in the air? Revving in the air would be the equivalent of maximum wheel spin.
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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 6:09pm
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You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking...
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking out rider error! That's why they do this stuff! Will make everyone have windham like throttle control!
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[i]You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that![/i] But how? If it works like that on the ground then...
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that!

But how? If it works like that on the ground then why wouldn't it work like that in the air? Revving in the air would be the equivalent of maximum wheel spin.
It would not totally stop wheel spin it would just detune it enough on the ground to make an effect! The the air it would still detune the motor you just wouldn't see it as much cause there is no drag like on the ground!
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Wild 1/16/2011 6:26pm
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If you guys really believe that he has traction control then the jokes on you. Because there would be no hiding it. If anything the GET helps tune.
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bigcat 1/16/2011 6:29pm
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Gym Briggs wrote:
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking...
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that! RC didn't have that much throttle control! The factories are taking out rider error! That's why they do this stuff! Will make everyone have windham like throttle control!
Void Main wrote:
[i]You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that![/i] But how? If it works like that on the ground then...
You can still use the throttle in the air like that! It wouldnt effect that!

But how? If it works like that on the ground then why wouldn't it work like that in the air? Revving in the air would be the equivalent of maximum wheel spin.
When the bike is in the air there is no load on the motor.
Therefore the traction control would not engage.
IMHO the teams would only use it on the starts, where it would be the most beneficial.
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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 6:36pm
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Wild wrote:
If you guys really believe that he has traction control then the jokes on you. Because there would be no hiding it. If anything the GET...
If you guys really believe that he has traction control then the jokes on you. Because there would be no hiding it. If anything the GET helps tune.
Noob STFU!! You have no idea what's going on in those factory bikes. They have $100,000's into them!
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FHKRacingZ 1/16/2011 6:39pm
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Your right they cannot technically have a mechanically working traction control but they do it through the electrics of the bike.
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Wild 1/16/2011 6:40pm
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LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
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SoCalMX70 1/16/2011 7:02pm
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
DUDE, you're like famous or something....















STFU noob.
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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 7:07pm
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
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DUDE, you're like famous or something....















STFU noob.
X2! My father and uncle are some of the most respected in the northeast. Both were fast pro riders. If you think they wouldn't be beneficial in our sport then your retarded! They wouldn't be doing all of this if it wasn't! Stick to cars bud!
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WhipMeister 1/16/2011 7:27pm
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
There's more than one way to improve traction. Noob.
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TerryB 1/16/2011 7:39pm
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Gym, we all appreciate your enthusiasm, but I'm asking TK to revoke your exclamation point privileges.Silly
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feeble 1/16/2011 7:49pm
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so... how are you expected to goon ride?
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
STFU NOOB!!!!!!






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toroP 1/16/2011 8:04pm
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Listen Reed on the PulpMX podcast. He makes it quite clear.
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
I have over 9000 posts, newfag.
Aussie_power_sports 1/16/2011 8:39pm
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Void Main wrote:
Trey Canard has never resorted to using "assisted bikes" and he most certainly is new, this is his first full season on the big bike.
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lol I thought he was talking about trey for a little bit
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I can understand that. I see you're a big Trey Canard fan. Smile
I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion. Smile
Aussie_power_sports 1/16/2011 8:44pm
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
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aggiemoto99 1/16/2011 9:01pm
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TC on the current superbikes is truly insanely good.

Watch casey stoner in the GP's next year - he can pin the throttle before apex on a 50 degree lean and the bike does the rest with power application (there IS still a ton of talent involved)...but to get there years and years and millions have been spent to make all the algorithms work as they should. And sometimes it does't work just perfect and it spits the rider off. But due to TC - most of the really nasty highsides are GONE in GP racing.

In F1 before it was banned (to my knowledge) the cars has CORNER specific set ups. the car used gps (or something better) to know where it was - and over the course of their practices and simulations the teams would hone in on an optimum set up for each section.

It can work for MX after a ton of testing and refining - but If I were a team - I would currently only use it for starts - and use the practice sessions to practice a couple - take some data - and try to hone in on a perfect "traction setting" for the start (which could be x amount of wheel spin to match this tracks dirt etc etc).

Top Fuel dragsters do similar - where the crew chief acquires tons of data from every run - and using their past knowledge and best guess of the current track conditions the give it "set up" to try and run their best time. It's not self correcting like true traction control - but the clutch set up and motor power delivery is tailored to get the best ET possible...
This is no different than an mx start and is how I would do it if I were running a factory team.

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kongols 1/16/2011 9:10pm
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Does this explains Alessi`s unbelievable starts when he was on Suzuki.
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haydos25 1/16/2011 9:16pm
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kongols wrote:
Does this explains Alessi`s unbelievable starts when he was on Suzuki.
No that was just because he had a 450. Refer to the KTM 350 threads for further clarification
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redrider400 1/16/2011 9:41pm
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8k4x6f wrote:
Reeds just pissed that hes got nothin for jimmy or villy...hes obviously a great rider, but not a title contender.
Well, thats the dumbest shit I have heard all week. All it takes is for "jimmy" or "villy" to take a digger and then someone like Reed or Dungey is there to take the title.
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EatAChode 1/16/2011 9:46pm
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kongols wrote:
Does this explains Alessi`s unbelievable starts when he was on Suzuki.
haydos25 wrote:
No that was just because he had a 450. Refer to the KTM 350 threads for further clarification
Hahaha!
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Gym Briggs 1/16/2011 10:06pm
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kongols wrote:
Does this explains Alessi`s unbelievable starts when he was on Suzuki.
It was him plus the bike! That was mike alessi's only chance at a title! I see him having a difficult time getting a ride here in the states after this year! We may see him in the GP's next year!
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Wild wrote:
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on...
LOL noob... dude I am on over 15+ forums with over thousands of post. I am a mod on corvetteforums. I do know whats going on. And have a few close friends with factory rides. It's funny how they all sit back and laugh about these post. Do you understand what traction control does? It robs power and stops the wheel from even the slightest spin. Why in the hell would they want that. They would eat crap all the time. And I have over 250k in my car and know a little something about TC.
can a post be both HOF and Dumgeon at the same time?
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Bojangles 1/16/2011 10:50pm
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sbarrington314 wrote:
pulpmx Steve Matthes From what I know, TV people & Jbone should have spoken about what exactly was going to be used on radio..bad mistake. Now...
pulpmx Steve Matthes
From what I know, TV people & Jbone should have spoken about what exactly was going to be used on radio..bad mistake. Now bigwigs upset
The radio cut-in isn't live..what they took was from practice in staging area..then someone yells to Erin to ambush James. Bush league IMO
This whole sensor/ data acq thing was being discussed and handled behind the scenes until TV people blew it up
Im ok w Erin bringing something up but on podium not place to do it, also director of show should know what they r talking about..they dont!
So tv people aren't supposed to do their job? If something new is going on it's their job to report it. They showed the crap out of whatever it was it before the race, and you're suggesting that Erin not follow up on it with the podium interview? It was a live show, when do you suggest she do it? It was her only chance.

Jame's response certainly leaves more questions than answers imho, but I'm no expert. Controversy garners attention, which is always good.

Also, why should the sensor/data acq thing be left behind the scenes? TV did the right thing.

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