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Hey Woody, like Motörhead said a smaller leak will force more fuel through the accelerator pump circuit. I believe your stock leak jet is a 70, a 55 or a 45 is common as an upgrade.
You said you bench tested before taking apart, I presume you also did that after rebuild. While testing did you have a 1 second stream of fuel roughly in the middle of the throat after the slide lifted ? no fuel should be hitting the slide.
When / if you replaced the diaphragm did the new one match the old ? I ask because there are variations. The side of the diaphragm that faces down can have different length stoppers. The longer the stopper the less pressure the fuel will flow. In this picture you can see the different lengths.
All that being said, did you try riding it ? Might be worth it before getting overly concerned.
Not much vacuum on these things to handle an idle to full throttle whack without a stumble. I think a better test would be from like an 1/8 or so to full throttle.
Bogging off idle with a quick twist was a common problem with the old carbed 4 strokes. One of the ways we combatted the problem back then was to wire the accelerator pump linkage together so there wasn't as much lag. Some people were using an o-ring, others just used safety wire.
Even the best-tuned carbureted four-stroke can be made to cough/die/bog when not under a load. Whacking the throttle on the stand won’t tell you much.
Nice mod! I used to just run the idle high, seemed to help a lot from what I remember.
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I’m going to give that a shot! I’ll come back to let everyone know how it went. I’m flushing the coolant system today then going to take it for a spin. While warming it up today I had a pretty good amount of smoke coming out of the exhaust but dissipated after giving it some throttle & a couple minutes of run time. Thanks Motörhead!
Good point, hoping to know more after I give it a ride around the block!
Thanks for sharing! I may have to give that a shot if it gives trouble after a short ride
I’d say it’s a 1 second stream and it does not hit the slide! It did experience some smoking from the exhaust in the initial warm up getting it ready to flush the coolant system but dissipated after warming up.
New news! I took it for a spin around the block. It has a hiccup/ sputter when accelerating between gears but evens out if I stay on it. Could this be the confirmation of needing a smaller leak jet?
Thanks dudes!
What color was the smoke upon startup and did it only smoke the first time you started it after the rebuild?
The leak jet only comes into play when you turn the throttle quickly. If you run through the gears and gradually increase the throttle does it run smooth?
Do you have a manual for the bike? If so there should be a jetting table in the manual, I'd use those settings for your environment as a baseline setup.
Tough to help diagnose without more info, smaller leak jet wouldn’t hurt but Sounds like stumble is in the zero to 1/3 throttle opening.
Were you going to zero throttle while shifting ?
Did you try adjusting the fuel screw on your test ride ? 2.25 is on the edge of range, try going up one size on pilot or check it for any blockage.
What needle and clip position are you on ? Could raise needle / lower clip position.
What rebuild kit was used ?
Did you clean/replace hot start plunger and choke ?
Does it start easy ?
You can access a service manual at http://owners.honda.com/assets/ownerlink/model/own_man/powersports/2005/2005_crf250r.pdf to check for carburetor tuning and adjusting details.
Im sure you already did this but check the manifold and air box boot for any bad connections and for any cracks, don’t need to be trying to tune around that.
RedRocket is on point here.
I would check the obvious first - Choke plunger, Hot start plunger, and make sure the fuel screw located at the bottom of the carb is there and set at the right number of turns out.
I bought a used bike once that the fuel mixture screw had completely dropped out of the carb, but still sort of ran somehow if i kept the throttle cracked. The screw is hard to get to when it is on the bike, and aftermarket companies made a killing on extended thumb screws back then.
Morning guys, It’s a Tokyo mods rebuild kit. The downside is that it did not come with jets. I do have a service manual and have been going through it since the trouble. I’m going to be moving stuff around today. It was starting fine yesterday but is much more difficult to do today. I did clean the hot start plunger but I did not do the choke.
The settings are standard at the moment for 0-999’. I’ll also be ordering a jetting kit. Wanted to see if cleaning everything would work, it wasn’t bad when I opened it up.
As far as the smoking went it was on initial start up & it had a blue hue to it. No smoke since. Slowly accelerating gears didn’t help much. I did get it to run right for a short period and it felt great but ended up cutting out & had the walk of shame through the neighborhood 😅
After digging through it I think I may have found the issue. The mid body gasket was smushed. Ordering a new one and going to go from there.
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