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4/8/2026 4:21pm
byke wrote:

Surprised that nobody really cares that the language the president is using is a declaration of crime. So much for words-matter and law-and-order. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:

So now the left cares about Language? You're kidding, right? And it is not a declaration of a crime.

I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. 

It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they lost elections too. 

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Alex814 wrote:
Understands what? How to fear-monger WW3 and assign criminality over his theoreticals and conspiracies that are constantly proven wrong?Or did a civilisation get wiped out yesterday...

Understands what? How to fear-monger WW3 and assign criminality over his theoreticals and conspiracies that are constantly proven wrong?

Or did a civilisation get wiped out yesterday and I just missed it?

byke wrote:
Fear mongering ww3 is precisely the reason people gave for sitting on weapons to Ukraine for 6 months, so that's a fake reason for anything, but...

Fear mongering ww3 is precisely the reason people gave for sitting on weapons to Ukraine for 6 months, so that's a fake reason for anything, but what he understands is that our president is using the same language as pretty much every terrible leader throughout history and also doing it on Easter and also using language that nobody wants their kids to hear. 

America has forgotten what leadership looks like. It used to be that we all knew the quiet guy in the bar was the tough one, but now we think it's the loudmouth. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:
Again with the language theme? The liberal left has dropped the f-bomb ("F Trump") more than President Trump ever thought about. I agree, America had forgotten...

Again with the language theme? The liberal left has dropped the f-bomb ("F Trump") more than President Trump ever thought about. I agree, America had forgotten what leadership looked like, until now. I'll take the uncouth guy with a pair to get things done that have to be done, vs the slick talking pu$$y politician that kicks all of the problems down the road for the next administration.

Trying hard to look tough, is weak. Kind of like respect, or being a man, if you have to talk about it....you ain't it. 

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soggy wrote:

That fucking idiot really brought up desert storm 😆


God I can’t wait til you boomers die off

RaceFan wrote:
What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s...

What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s some moral high ground you got there.

Its funny how some random poster on a motocross message board is held to a higher  moral standard than the President .  Saying You look forward...

Its funny how some random poster on a motocross message board is held to a higher  moral standard than the President .  Saying You look forward to a generation aging out and dyeing off is a little different than saying Your going to kill them all.

 

   I guess I can assume that You guys that are appalled by Soggy's post are also extremely disappointed that the person You voted for is making threats that make him look like a  villain in a bad sci-fi movie. 

 

 I hope that we return to a time that we hold our leaders to a higher standard and stop cheering when they use language we wouldn't want our kids using. A leader that can lead by example and bring everybody together.  

 

Sunny Beach, did you guys all receive the same script in an e-mail or just listening to the looney liberals on MSDNC? Now it's all about the language when the left has been dropping the F-bomb against Trump for years. 

No, it's not different.... he is wishing to use time as his weapon to kill off the Greatest generation instead of actual weapons. 

We can't hold our representatives to a higher standard if we don't hold ourselves to that same standard. 

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4/8/2026 4:39pm
byke wrote:

Surprised that nobody really cares that the language the president is using is a declaration of crime. So much for words-matter and law-and-order. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:

So now the left cares about Language? You're kidding, right? And it is not a declaration of a crime.

byke wrote:
I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they...

I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. 

It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they lost elections too. 

Nobody wiped out any civilization. 

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4/8/2026 4:47pm
byke wrote:

Surprised that nobody really cares that the language the president is using is a declaration of crime. So much for words-matter and law-and-order. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:

So now the left cares about Language? You're kidding, right? And it is not a declaration of a crime.

byke wrote:
I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they...

I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. 

It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they lost elections too. 

Who wiped out a civilization?

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4/8/2026 4:49pm
Hudweiser9 wrote:

So now the left cares about Language? You're kidding, right? And it is not a declaration of a crime.

byke wrote:
I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they...

I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. 

It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they lost elections too. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:

Nobody wiped out any civilization. 

I posted before I read to the end of the thread, guess you got the hole shot on that one

TM

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4/8/2026 5:03pm
Hudweiser9 wrote:

So now the left cares about Language? You're kidding, right? And it is not a declaration of a crime.

byke wrote:
I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they...

I couldn't tell you what the left thinks. Wiping out civilizations is a crime. 

It's fine, the left still doesn't get it either and that's why they lost elections too. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:

Nobody wiped out any civilization. 

I didn't say that his words were a crime, I said he was using a declaration of a crime. It's like telling the world that you're going to murder someone, the public messaging is the declaration, and murder is a crime of both man's law and God's law. And then having people defend it and cheer for it, is terrible. That's not a crime for him and those that enjoy hearing it, it's just a reflection of poor morals. Morality under the president's watch is not improving, it's worsening. America is not being restored to any era of greatness, it's being pushed further from it. 

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4/8/2026 5:24pm
First off I didn’t vote for Trump. I know you’re not necessarily speaking to me directly. I’m also not holding Soggy to a higher standard than...

First off I didn’t vote for Trump. I know you’re not necessarily speaking to me directly. I’m also not holding Soggy to a higher standard than The Donald. Speaking this way ,no matter who you are is wrong. Trumps speak is disgraceful on any level, but more so because he’s our president.  I personally don’t like it because he’s representing the United States of America, which I’m a citizen of . I do one hundred percent agree with you last paragraph.

I was speaking more towards people who will cheer the president on for having the balls, and then say that same thing is horrible when done...

I was speaking more towards people who will cheer the president on for having the balls, and then say that same thing is horrible when done by somebody else.   I do not really remember You being one of those people.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he...

Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he can give up the things he really didn't want or need so at the end of the negotiations he HAS what he wants. Do you really think he was going to obliterate a civilian population? Or send the military to take over Greenland. How you fall for this stuff every time befuddles me.

TM

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple times since we do not see what the real negotiations look like.  Only the made for TV tweets and truths.   I suspect they already know he's full of it and that is why he escalated to saying he would wipe them all out. A single tanker got through and things are already falling apart.

 Call me crazy but making a threat that he will follow through on would be more effective because then he could follow through instead of moving the deadlines every time. And then when he goes back to talks he can raise the consequences and have them really worry that its a true threat and not just another lie. If everybody has figured out that his maximum position is BS, how is that effective for negotiating?  If I'm negotiating with somebody its gonna be easier to make a deal if both of use can trust the others word. If not how do either people know they other will keep their side of the deal.  

 

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I voted for the 34 count convicted felon pedo pathological liar 3 times.  Like most republicans I now cant wait for him to die of McDonalds...

I voted for the 34 count convicted felon pedo pathological liar 3 times.  Like most republicans I now cant wait for him to die of McDonalds abuse. Call it tds i say the same about anyone that still supports the unhinged mad man.  Even the 1st skank is complicit.  He fucked kids, paid off a porn star when 1st skank was knocked up.  He is pure evil.  His orange face and goldfish lips fit is obese body.  He has disgraced our country world wide. I would take JD Vance over that evil slug any day. 

I’m not convinced. I think you’d vote for him again if he was running!💯

OriginMX wrote:

I’d vote for my dog over that piece of shit

 

Are you sure,? I know you like your pooch , but you did vote for Don Don 3 times……🔥

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4/8/2026 5:57pm
I was speaking more towards people who will cheer the president on for having the balls, and then say that same thing is horrible when done...

I was speaking more towards people who will cheer the president on for having the balls, and then say that same thing is horrible when done by somebody else.   I do not really remember You being one of those people.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he...

Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he can give up the things he really didn't want or need so at the end of the negotiations he HAS what he wants. Do you really think he was going to obliterate a civilian population? Or send the military to take over Greenland. How you fall for this stuff every time befuddles me.

TM

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple...

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple times since we do not see what the real negotiations look like.  Only the made for TV tweets and truths.   I suspect they already know he's full of it and that is why he escalated to saying he would wipe them all out. A single tanker got through and things are already falling apart.

 Call me crazy but making a threat that he will follow through on would be more effective because then he could follow through instead of moving the deadlines every time. And then when he goes back to talks he can raise the consequences and have them really worry that its a true threat and not just another lie. If everybody has figured out that his maximum position is BS, how is that effective for negotiating?  If I'm negotiating with somebody its gonna be easier to make a deal if both of use can trust the others word. If not how do either people know they other will keep their side of the deal.  

 

You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator.

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4/8/2026 6:21pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he...

Do you not understand one person is throwing out their dark thoughts and the other is negotiating? Starting out with a very maximum position that he can give up the things he really didn't want or need so at the end of the negotiations he HAS what he wants. Do you really think he was going to obliterate a civilian population? Or send the military to take over Greenland. How you fall for this stuff every time befuddles me.

TM

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple...

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple times since we do not see what the real negotiations look like.  Only the made for TV tweets and truths.   I suspect they already know he's full of it and that is why he escalated to saying he would wipe them all out. A single tanker got through and things are already falling apart.

 Call me crazy but making a threat that he will follow through on would be more effective because then he could follow through instead of moving the deadlines every time. And then when he goes back to talks he can raise the consequences and have them really worry that its a true threat and not just another lie. If everybody has figured out that his maximum position is BS, how is that effective for negotiating?  If I'm negotiating with somebody its gonna be easier to make a deal if both of use can trust the others word. If not how do either people know they other will keep their side of the deal.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:

You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator.

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what are the negotiations for?

I should read the art of the deal to see how not making a deal makes it a successful negotiation because I feel like I'm either missing something ...

  The entire time I thought is was called The Art of the Deal.  Art of the deal cover copy

 

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4/8/2026 6:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/8/2026 6:58pm

If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the words meant nothing?  Bullshit. Hold the loser accountable. 

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4/9/2026 7:55am Edited Date/Time 4/9/2026 7:56am
soggy wrote:

That fucking idiot really brought up desert storm 😆


God I can’t wait til you boomers die off

RaceFan wrote:
What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s...

What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s some moral high ground you got there.

They’ve had control of our politics since the 80’s. Time to move on. I’m talking both sides of the aisle.

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4/9/2026 8:23am
OriginMX wrote:
If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the...

If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the words meant nothing?  Bullshit. Hold the loser accountable. 

Look at you, getting in your talking points like a good little useful ......

TM

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4/9/2026 8:26am
OriginMX wrote:
If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the...

If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the words meant nothing?  Bullshit. Hold the loser accountable. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Look at you, getting in your talking points like a good little useful ......

TM

Like little Chuckie Schumer, the grill master, he'd rather have had Trump keep his word and eliminate the Iranian civilization. 

Weird for the party of compassion. 

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OriginMX wrote:
If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the...

If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the words meant nothing?  Bullshit. Hold the loser accountable. 

ToolMaker wrote:

Look at you, getting in your talking points like a good little useful ......

TM

Like little Chuckie Schumer, the grill master, he'd rather have had Trump keep his word and eliminate the Iranian civilization. 

Weird for the party of compassion. 

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4/9/2026 8:31am
If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple...

If they are empty threats its only a matter of time before he gets called on his bluffs.     It may have already happened multiple times since we do not see what the real negotiations look like.  Only the made for TV tweets and truths.   I suspect they already know he's full of it and that is why he escalated to saying he would wipe them all out. A single tanker got through and things are already falling apart.

 Call me crazy but making a threat that he will follow through on would be more effective because then he could follow through instead of moving the deadlines every time. And then when he goes back to talks he can raise the consequences and have them really worry that its a true threat and not just another lie. If everybody has figured out that his maximum position is BS, how is that effective for negotiating?  If I'm negotiating with somebody its gonna be easier to make a deal if both of use can trust the others word. If not how do either people know they other will keep their side of the deal.  

 

ToolMaker wrote:

You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator.

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what...

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what are the negotiations for?

I should read the art of the deal to see how not making a deal makes it a successful negotiation because I feel like I'm either missing something ...

  The entire time I thought is was called The Art of the Deal.  Art of the deal cover copy

 

What makes you think there won't be a deal? Because it's not on your time line? Because you don't understand the process? Because you don't like the process? What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective? 

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4/9/2026 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/9/2026 3:27pm
ToolMaker wrote:

You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator.

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what...

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what are the negotiations for?

I should read the art of the deal to see how not making a deal makes it a successful negotiation because I feel like I'm either missing something ...

  The entire time I thought is was called The Art of the Deal.  Art of the deal cover copy

 

ToolMaker wrote:
What makes you think there won't be a deal? Because it's not on your time line? Because you don't understand the process? Because you don't like...

What makes you think there won't be a deal? Because it's not on your time line? Because you don't understand the process? Because you don't like the process? What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective? 

   You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the word  negotiating. 

 

  While I'm glad he hasn't killed off an entire population, why even say that if everybody knows its a bluff?  Unless he's just trying to buy more time so they can get more troops in place to follow through with that threat, or maybe they are just trying to locate the current leader, track his movements and plan out another extradition and in that case what is said wouldn't matter .  How is showing the person You are negotiating with that You are lying and not to take Your word  going to help make a deal?  You are right, I do not understand the benefit  of negotiating by saying stuff in bad faith.

  I give people the benefit of their argument or position being legit. But then they say or do things that make it look like they are just trolling . That hurts the trust between me and whoever, and my willingness to engage and trust that the person is saying things they believe. It seems like a very basic premise of human interaction. 

 

One thing I liked better about many other presidents is how they listened to their advisors and not the leader of a foreign country that convinced them into going to war with Iran . While also ignoring more advisors who told him that Iran would do many of the things they have done. 

There's a long list of things I have disliked or not agreed with that past presidents have done too. 

 

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4/9/2026 6:05pm
ToolMaker wrote:

You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator.

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what...

I guess I am. I thought the purpose of negotiating was so that You could agree on a deal.  If there's no deal made than what are the negotiations for?

I should read the art of the deal to see how not making a deal makes it a successful negotiation because I feel like I'm either missing something ...

  The entire time I thought is was called The Art of the Deal.  Art of the deal cover copy

 

ToolMaker wrote:
What makes you think there won't be a deal? Because it's not on your time line? Because you don't understand the process? Because you don't like...

What makes you think there won't be a deal? Because it's not on your time line? Because you don't understand the process? Because you don't like the process? What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective? 

"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"

A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice attacked while in negotiations, the Iranians don't trust Trump.

"What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective?"

Iran may not have liked them or the deal, but there was a level of trust the US President would uphold the deal.

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4/9/2026 6:22pm
"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice...

"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"

A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice attacked while in negotiations, the Iranians don't trust Trump.

"What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective?"

Iran may not have liked them or the deal, but there was a level of trust the US President would uphold the deal.

Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually deal with the problem. How did that work out? Not so well.

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4/9/2026 6:55pm
"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice...

"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"

A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice attacked while in negotiations, the Iranians don't trust Trump.

"What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective?"

Iran may not have liked them or the deal, but there was a level of trust the US President would uphold the deal.

ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually...

Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually deal with the problem. How did that work out? Not so well.

I don’t make deals with those I don’t trust. How do deals not require trust?

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4/9/2026 6:57pm
"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice...

"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"

A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice attacked while in negotiations, the Iranians don't trust Trump.

"What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective?"

Iran may not have liked them or the deal, but there was a level of trust the US President would uphold the deal.

ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually...

Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually deal with the problem. How did that work out? Not so well.

Wow, just wow.

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4/9/2026 7:22pm
"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice...

"What makes you think there won't be a deal?"

A deal requires trust, Trump has shown he is willing to renege on a deal and twice attacked while in negotiations, the Iranians don't trust Trump.

"What was it about every other president that you think they did it better or more effective?"

Iran may not have liked them or the deal, but there was a level of trust the US President would uphold the deal.

ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually...

Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually deal with the problem. How did that work out? Not so well.

mvd61 wrote:

I don’t make deals with those I don’t trust. How do deals not require trust?

Companies do licensing deal all the time with other companies they don't even know. They do however monitor verification. Do you think the insurance company that writes your insurance policy knows you from L2S?

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4/9/2026 11:31pm
soggy wrote:

That fucking idiot really brought up desert storm 😆


God I can’t wait til you boomers die off

RaceFan wrote:
What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s...

What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s some moral high ground you got there.

soggy wrote:

They’ve had control of our politics since the 80’s. Time to move on. I’m talking both sides of the aisle.

Politicians on both sides suck, ‘cause politicians suck, but to wish a generation would die out is not rational. In the future your generation will loathed too, but it’s not a rational loathing because you know full well that many different types of people belong to every generation.

Having a strong dislike for politicians is understandable but your fellow man not so much. Your fellow man with opposing political views is still closer to you than a politician that shares your views.

Being centrist may not be viewed favourably these days but it’s quite bizarre watching the lunacy at the extremes from this perspective. Like anyone has moral high ground when morality is such a temporary position.

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ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually...

Wrong on both. Deals don't require trust. And previous president's didn't "uphold any deals" they just folded and gave money hoping they didn't have to actually deal with the problem. How did that work out? Not so well.

mvd61 wrote:

I don’t make deals with those I don’t trust. How do deals not require trust?

ToolMaker wrote:
Companies do licensing deal all the time with other companies they don't even know. They do however monitor verification. Do you think the insurance company that...

Companies do licensing deal all the time with other companies they don't even know. They do however monitor verification. Do you think the insurance company that writes your insurance policy knows you from L2S?

I’d bet insurance companies dig into who a person is more than we know. Data is a big deal and they want every bit of it they can get 

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4/10/2026 6:34am
RaceFan wrote:
What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s...

What a time to be alive. You can wish entire generations dead because you disagree with some dude on the internet’s opinion on politics. Damn, that’s some moral high ground you got there.

soggy wrote:

They’ve had control of our politics since the 80’s. Time to move on. I’m talking both sides of the aisle.

RaceFan wrote:
Politicians on both sides suck, ‘cause politicians suck, but to wish a generation would die out is not rational. In the future your generation will loathed...

Politicians on both sides suck, ‘cause politicians suck, but to wish a generation would die out is not rational. In the future your generation will loathed too, but it’s not a rational loathing because you know full well that many different types of people belong to every generation.

Having a strong dislike for politicians is understandable but your fellow man not so much. Your fellow man with opposing political views is still closer to you than a politician that shares your views.

Being centrist may not be viewed favourably these days but it’s quite bizarre watching the lunacy at the extremes from this perspective. Like anyone has moral high ground when morality is such a temporary position.

Maybe a poor word choice but that seems like what it will take to get them out of office.   4 of the last 5 presidents were born between 1942-1946. 

That’s going all the way back to 1992. For 35 years we’ve continued to elect older and older presidents. The last two seemingly suffering from dementia while in office. 

 

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4/10/2026 6:46am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2026 6:52am

Trump doesn’t have dementia, I do believe he’s exhausted though.

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4/10/2026 6:59am
   You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of...

   You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the word  negotiating. 

 

  While I'm glad he hasn't killed off an entire population, why even say that if everybody knows its a bluff?  Unless he's just trying to buy more time so they can get more troops in place to follow through with that threat, or maybe they are just trying to locate the current leader, track his movements and plan out another extradition and in that case what is said wouldn't matter .  How is showing the person You are negotiating with that You are lying and not to take Your word  going to help make a deal?  You are right, I do not understand the benefit  of negotiating by saying stuff in bad faith.

  I give people the benefit of their argument or position being legit. But then they say or do things that make it look like they are just trolling . That hurts the trust between me and whoever, and my willingness to engage and trust that the person is saying things they believe. It seems like a very basic premise of human interaction. 

 

One thing I liked better about many other presidents is how they listened to their advisors and not the leader of a foreign country that convinced them into going to war with Iran . While also ignoring more advisors who told him that Iran would do many of the things they have done. 

There's a long list of things I have disliked or not agreed with that past presidents have done too. 

 

"You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the word  negotiating."

Show me where I said that. That's why nobody takes you serious. You outright lie about what people say. Or, you just don't understand what you read. Which is it?

TM

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4/10/2026 7:23am
   You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of...

   You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the word  negotiating. 

 

  While I'm glad he hasn't killed off an entire population, why even say that if everybody knows its a bluff?  Unless he's just trying to buy more time so they can get more troops in place to follow through with that threat, or maybe they are just trying to locate the current leader, track his movements and plan out another extradition and in that case what is said wouldn't matter .  How is showing the person You are negotiating with that You are lying and not to take Your word  going to help make a deal?  You are right, I do not understand the benefit  of negotiating by saying stuff in bad faith.

  I give people the benefit of their argument or position being legit. But then they say or do things that make it look like they are just trolling . That hurts the trust between me and whoever, and my willingness to engage and trust that the person is saying things they believe. It seems like a very basic premise of human interaction. 

 

One thing I liked better about many other presidents is how they listened to their advisors and not the leader of a foreign country that convinced them into going to war with Iran . While also ignoring more advisors who told him that Iran would do many of the things they have done. 

There's a long list of things I have disliked or not agreed with that past presidents have done too. 

 

ToolMaker wrote:
"You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the...

"You said that making a deal and negotiating were  not related .   That I confused the two even though  it is the definition of the word  negotiating."

Show me where I said that. That's why nobody takes you serious. You outright lie about what people say. Or, you just don't understand what you read. Which is it?

TM

ToolMaker wrote:

"You're confusing agreeing to a deal and negotiating. You're obviously a terrible negotiator."  

 

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4/10/2026 7:59am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2026 8:01am
OriginMX wrote:
If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the...

If someone says I’m going to kill you, your kids, your pets and your family and has the means to do it but chickens out the words meant nothing?  Bullshit. Hold the loser accountable. 

You mean like this guy.... Jay Jones, a Democratic politician who later became Virginia’s attorney general.

In 2022 private text messages (revealed publicly in 2025), Jones:

Fantasized about shooting a Republican politician, Todd Gilbert.

Wrote a scenario where “two bullets” would go to Gilbert.

Also made disturbing remarks about Gilbert’s family/children.

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