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Anyone have Pacer access? I'd love to see what's going on with the Peymon Mottaheda case.
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/58855542/UNITED_STATES_OF_AMERICA_v_Mottahedeh_et_al
Peymon is the man behind the Freedom Law School, coaching people to avoid taxes. He claims he hasn't filed taxes in 30 years.
It's been in court since 2014, but the silence from the "news" makes me think the IRS might be losing.
Could you imagine where our country would be if no one had paid their taxes for the last 30 years…….
A bit deeper into bankruptcy than it presently is. That's all
How much our taxes really benefit us, other than maybe police and defense? The vast majority of the money we pay to the federal and state government goes to waste, meaningless jobs that do nothing, fraud and overseas adventurism by the CIA. The US could run on 10% of the taxes that are currently collected and we'd be fine.
People always say "how would we have roads?" I'm pretty certain we had roads before the income tax. That could be paid for with usage fees, as it actually is in California. And here we have a governor that actually attacks people that expose fraud.
China spent a little over $4 Trillion in 2025 and took in a little over $3 Trillion, so running ~$1 Trillion deficit, but they absolutely crush our infrastructure and do so with 4x the population. You might be right with 10%. It sounded very low to me at first, but in 2025 the US government brought in 20% more than China with just a quarter of population (somehow still managed to spend $7 Trillion even with doge cuts, adding $2 Trillion to debt), so maybe 10% at something like an impossible (for us) 80-90% efficiency for the same shitty results...actually isn't far off.
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The United States of America was without income tax for 137 years. Yes there were roads. They also had canal and rail systems.
Reading your post, I was recalling how people were upset when USAID was shut down…all the while…they had no real idea of the amount of that went thru its doors.
Military expense was nothing compared to today.
Perplexing because somehow the most funded military at the time lost the Revolutionary War.
Not that perplexing in a low tech war, but the last world war had pretty good tech and the country that spent the most, won. The point is, we have to be okay with the results that would come with spending pennies on the dollar. Hypothetically of course, because there's no such thing as a frugal America.
Which side had the most funding during Vietnam?
It's common to believe the military industrial complex is too big to fail, but we're trained to think that way.
In reality, any chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
It's also willingness, because all the money and no willingness is the same as no money. We weren't willing to nuke Veitnam because it was political cold war proxy effort, not a flat out full throttle like your life depends on it effort like a proper war like ww2. It's fine to spend nothing o defense, just have to accept what may come with that. Its fine to make bad decisions if you go in eyes open. What's not okay is when we lie to ourselves for some other reason. I'm cool with literally zero taxes and government if that's what the bulk of the country wants. Thats how this place works, the majority steers the ship.
Interesting concept, but no government means whoever has the most firepower and the least conscience will become a government. Kinda like what we have now
Agree, just have to accept that, not lie to ourselves about it.
Which of the various Departments gets the most money?
We had something worse. It was called tariffs. Indiscriminate taxation. But taxation nonetheless.
Income tax is much worse than import tariffs......agree both are taxes.
Income tax is a fine on people making money. Import tariffs are a fine on importing goods.
Income taxes are much more controllable. In other words it is easier to control who the cost burden of the state is paid by. With tariffs it is very easy to push the burden onto people of meager means even if it's not intended. The tariff is paid by the importer but in the end is paid by the consumer. Very few if any importers are also the consumer of their imports.
Tariffs are also a burden on many American businesses. Even the tariff king McKinnley eventually admitted that that it was not good for economic growth.
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