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Spot on.Grandma and grandpa owned their home.800 sqft.No granite counter top. 1 20" tv. One car. No daily amazon deliveries. No grub hub or Uber eats. Etc etc.
You sound like you watch a lot of alpha male and "gotta grind" influencers. 😄
How did they both get to their jobs with only 1 car?
Planted gardens to supplement their groceries too. Grandma most generally canned or froze produce, grandpa hunted and fished on a regular basis too - stocked the freezer with deer, rabbit, perch, smelt, and walleye. My wife stills cans and freezes produce from our garden, people have no idea what she is talking about when she mentions it. Of course we never knew high grocery bills either.
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LOL...Like I said, everything is sooo fkng tough today. Ever live on $5/hr? I worked full time fixing sewing machines and vacuums as a kid and through college as a FT off campus student. My GF/wife also contributed, but we lived lean...REALLY lean, just to only hopefully end up broke each month. $500 car (we had one car worth $500), $400/mo rent (I think). We didn't have a cel phone, big TV, cable/satellite service or $10 coffees. We weremt fkng stupid with money. People claim to have it tough and yet they spend $500/mo on their TV and cel phone alone. Plus they want a $50k car. I had No motorcycle...nothing at the time. My first job out of college was as a fed aufitor at $19k a year. We bought a $60k house a year later (3x my salary). Now, people make 3-4 times what I started at. Plus, we moved to where the money was several times so I could make more at CPA firms. We didn't sit on our ass and complain and look for mommy and daddy hand outs.
My daughter works a night shift nursing, her husband works days as an electrician. They can drop each other off if they choose, though they own two cars. We live in Pennsylvania, it is legal to use all 24 hours of a day productively.
If Ford sold Raptors 35 years ago nobody would've bought them.
It's effing crazy. My oldest daughter got 5 distinctions when she finished high school. That is a monumental feat to pull off. Long story short, her Aunty is a GP, a normal doctor and her Uncle is an Anaesthetist, they live in Sydney Australia. My daughter whilst in school always wanted to become a Veterinarian. Well, Aunty and Uncle offered (two years ago) for her to come live with them in Sydney and that they would pay for her to go to Varsity.
My daughter at the time was all keen and exited but said that she wanted to take a "gap year" to explore life and just to unwind, well, that was two years ago and now she has been through 3 different jobs and is now working as a receptionist for a hair salon. Her and her boyfriend Game at night and watch movies till well past midnight. She currently starts work at 9am.
My damn hair stands up when I think of the golden opportunity that she could lose if she doesn't wake up.
Whenever I try to talk to her about it, my wife included, it doesn't turn out well. it is so frustrating.....ya know, you can take a horse to water but you can't make the bastard drink.
The youth of today are just different, social media, gaming, all about image..it is a effing crazy stupid world we live in now.
I do not have any answers.......
Buying a house a year out of college is wild. How did you get approved for that loan? You probably needed like $10k for down payment and closing costs?
Exactly. Excellent point. I never even considered a new vehicle. A Raptor BITD would have been laughable to even build, nobody would be dumb enough to buy it. People were smarter with money then it seems and looked long term. Nobody carried debt. Even as a kiid, I never knew my parents to be in debt for anything. I hate debt. To this day, I have a 2014 Chevy Cruze diesel and a 2008 Chevy Silverado.
Wow sounds wonderful, i can't believe other people don't choose to live on a different sleep schedule than their spouse. Truly the American dream. Thank you for this inspiration.
They tried twice with the lightning. First attempt lasted two years, second attempt made it five or so before being canceled.
Surely won't lead to any marital issues.
We put 3% down and had to have MIPS insurance as required by the loan. Yeah, I had to be on the job for at least 1 year to get approved. Then had to submit my pay stubs, checking account statements (the bank looked to track how we spent the money we made and make sure there weren't any other personal loans being paid possibly), 2 years tax returns and hope they'd approve us. It was a real look at how you lived and if your finances were accurate to be sure the loan could actually be afforded and repaid
That's roughly 100,000 in 1990 money. Today it's a mortgage payment less than 2k per month. If a young married couple can't cover that they've made some poor life choices. Getting a mortgage for a place you can afford is easy, it becomes difficult if you have shit credit, unstable income, or are trying to max out debt to income.
One thing i will give you is student loans, but even that's a choice. Much of what's borrowed is for cost of living/housing for a dorm suite with private bathroom and gym and pool and on and on.....
I went from community college to state school to public school for med school. Dorm was concrete wall closet with communal bathroom and meal plan left a lot to be desired but i didn't starve. Any college kids choosing that to save money today or nah?
It's telling to me that you can simply report what your experience was in the past and just stating these facts gets the youngins all wound up. I think deep down the frustration comes from knowing that what me and the boomers are saying is true but not wanting to make those same sacrifices.
Someone I know found a way to be an exception to this averaged data, so that means everyone younger than me is a lazy idiot because that's what I saw on social media and it makes me feel smart and accomplished.
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My wife worked 60 hours per week while I was in residency working 80 with two kids who spent way too much time at daycare. Wasn't great but she no longer works and we're living comfortable and happy now. People didn't used to find the concept of delayed gratification insulting.
If you want to live like your grandparents did you still can for much less than those average home prices. That average is a reflection of what people desire, not what a house from 50 years ago costs today.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2223-SE-139th-Ave-Portland-OR-97233/…
As a younger person I think most people just want the american dream, like having one income provide for the house like our grandparents did. I make damn good money for my area and I still thinks it's just a dream to do that with the economy right now.
Surely it won't, some people believe in being committed to a purpose larger than just their immediate gratification.
It is easier to cry poor isn't it than accept personal responsibility for your finances. It is an arrangement that will not be for long, it will not be long the kids will be full time in school and the mortgage will be paid. People have been known to work towards future goals.
I think both perspectives are true. At the present there are more barriers to being financially comfortable and previous generations had more motivation.
I understand that, but the American dream they think the generations before them had was not the romanticized version they envision. Grandma stayed home, but she also cooked every meal, eating out wasn't a thing, had a garden, sewed her own clothes, had 3 over the air TV channels, party line phone, tiny house that she couldn't leave when her husband had the car at work, no gym membership, botox, walk in closet that's overflowing...... the American dream that people want now is all the comforts that come with dual or high income without having to both work for it. That has never been the reality for most Americans. This isn't new.
One family living with just one parent working was something that happened for a brief few decades in this country post WWII when this country was the dominant economy because the rest of the world was in ruins. The reality is for the vast, vast majority of human existance life was very tough. I believe the majority of families even owning a home in the USA only happened post WWII. Life before that in this country was often very brutal for the working class. Unfortunately because of the increased competitiveness of the international economy we may very well return to that model for average people. The solution to the individual is don't be average, excel in a good field, pursue logical education, make wise financial decisions, and plan your future.
It sometimes makes me cringe when I see on this site people taking out a loan for a new bike. I don't even know if a bank would have approved a loan on an MX bike 20 or 30 years ago. But, bikes weren't $12,000 BITD also. My philosphy has always been, I have never been pissed off I didn't spend money in my life. That being said, I am also the financial genius with $50k in mountain bikes...so I've had my turn at financial idiocy as well.
Grandma and grandpa didn't have money, time, or interest in tatoos, dyed hair, jewelry, or multiple piercings. Patching clothes and hand me downs were very real things.
My kids worked full time through college, it was hard, but they bought a house out of college. It can be done, but it is hard. It can not be done if you are dumb though, which many people who are have a hard time admitting that they are.
timing is everything with buying a house too though. right now the timing is terrible even if you do have the money.
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