Cedric Soubeyras

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GuyB 12/6/2010 1:01am
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Think globally, act locally !! Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work...
Think globally, act locally !!

Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work off. It's proven, it works, it's fair, and everyone is happy. What more could you ask for?
125s?
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Dropbear you are correct to an extent. In the pro nationals, if you wanna run a two stroke in the open class, it can be up to 450cc. So you would have to sleeve down a 500 I guess to do that. But at the amateur level you can run anything 251cc or over in the open class. So the new Maico 700 would be legal. Any holeshot bonuses going at the amateur level ?? Smile

I completely agree that it has added a great dimension to the racing here which has been awesome to watch. Watching Cam Taylor at Coolum on the YZ 250 go absolutely flat out in all three motos on Sunday was something special.

And Robbie Marshall and Ashcan at the Super X have been great as well. Robbie's heat race win was the ultimate, with even guys that work for some of the factory teams cheering for him to win that race. Matt and Jake Moss' dad even said he was cheering for Robbie to win that heat, and Matt was in second place behind him. The two stroke definitely needs to have a place within our sport, it just needs to be given a fair go !!
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SwapperMX 12/6/2010 1:05am
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Think globally, act locally !! Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work...
Think globally, act locally !!

Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work off. It's proven, it works, it's fair, and everyone is happy. What more could you ask for?
GuyB wrote:
125s?
A 125 class is in the pipeline. The biggest problem in my opinion, is that the 125 class does not exist within our sport today. At all levels. This is what I would rectify first if I could !! Re-instate the class. I am glad to know you are on the same wave length.
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themrtoad 12/6/2010 4:15am
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SwapperMX wrote:
Think globally, act locally !! Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work...
Think globally, act locally !!

Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work off. It's proven, it works, it's fair, and everyone is happy. What more could you ask for?
GuyB wrote:
125s?
I think it's a shame for motocross when the manufacturers decide the roules, and the promotors just play along.

Sure the twostrokes aren't forbidden, but they don't have a fair chance. If we allow this I can see this in a near future.

Honda becomes sponsor of MXGP and US MX 2016. They throw multiple cash at everyone to promoto their new electric bike. They also change the roules so non electrical bikes can only have 20cc. When the 20cc still wins they forbid other brands to take part.

The manufacturers wants us to buy more new fourstrokes. They make a deal with FIM/AMA to forbid all bikes older than 3 years to compete or train at motocross facilities.

In roadracing there are only a few brands out there already. (Only Aprilias in 125, only Honda engines in Moto2...)


That's the future of motocross as well if we don't do something. We are loosers in this regardless if we prefere twostrokes/fourstrokes. More brands/technologys will benefit the consumer in the end, the opposite is only in the interest of Honda (If we can't make up the roules we don't wanna take part...) Fine let's move along without them/those!

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AussieParaMX 12/6/2010 4:30am
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SwapperMX wrote:
Think globally, act locally !! Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work...
Think globally, act locally !!

Australia runs displacement based racing at all levels, amateur to pro. This should be a base for the Americans to work off. It's proven, it works, it's fair, and everyone is happy. What more could you ask for?
GuyB wrote:
125s?
SwapperMX wrote:
A 125 class is in the pipeline. The biggest problem in my opinion, is that the 125 class does not exist within our sport today. At...
A 125 class is in the pipeline. The biggest problem in my opinion, is that the 125 class does not exist within our sport today. At all levels. This is what I would rectify first if I could !! Re-instate the class. I am glad to know you are on the same wave length.
IMHO the four stroke revolution is the most dangerous thing to happen to motocross since its inception.

C riders can jump jumps now without even trying, look back 15 years and clearing certain jumps was special, and only reserved to the best riders that could work the corner before to get the speed to clear it, perfect gear changes/throttle/clutch/body position/line etc.. now any rider can just BRAAAAAAPPP and clear most obstacles from any line without an ounce of cornering skill. Even late in a moto, tired and unable to legitimately hang on, they can still BRAAAAAPPP and clear the massive jumps. And i mean the entry level class is considered on par, speed wise, with the late 90's premier class.

surely you cant be serious - i am serious and dont call me Shirley RIP Leslie Nielson

Is it causing more injuries??? who knows.
Is it more dangerous??? definitely!!!

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SwapperMX 12/6/2010 4:36am
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IMHO the four stroke revolution is the most dangerous thing to happen to motocross since its inception. C riders can jump jumps now without even trying...
IMHO the four stroke revolution is the most dangerous thing to happen to motocross since its inception.

C riders can jump jumps now without even trying, look back 15 years and clearing certain jumps was special, and only reserved to the best riders that could work the corner before to get the speed to clear it, perfect gear changes/throttle/clutch/body position/line etc.. now any rider can just BRAAAAAAPPP and clear most obstacles from any line without an ounce of cornering skill. Even late in a moto, tired and unable to legitimately hang on, they can still BRAAAAAPPP and clear the massive jumps. And i mean the entry level class is considered on par, speed wise, with the late 90's premier class.

surely you cant be serious - i am serious and dont call me Shirley RIP Leslie Nielson

Is it causing more injuries??? who knows.
Is it more dangerous??? definitely!!!

Well we are on the same wave length. That is a very intelligent post with some great points. Well said. This is where our sport is at the moment, the important thing, is where it heads to from here.
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westyz 12/14/2010 11:51am
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Zzzzzzzz...this topic is so tired. I like good racing, and don't care if people are riding two-strokes, four-strokes, or rely on a flux capacitor to power...
Zzzzzzzz...this topic is so tired.

I like good racing, and don't care if people are riding two-strokes, four-strokes, or rely on a flux capacitor to power their bike.
great - if you & a lot of other fans dont care then lets do the right thing for the sport and allow 2 strokes and 4 strokes to race on a level playing field cc for cc instead of having the outdated 4 stroke handicap system. All the arguments about it not going to work are just scare stories. In Australian Pro motocross they have just allowed this to happen and in Red Bull Pro Nationals in the UK its the same, we are seeing a mixed bag of winners not just 2 or 4 strokes dominating as there is little between them these days...
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burn1986 12/14/2010 2:09pm
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X3 on the 125 class. Maybe this can be the next AMA proposal, as soon as I hear something back from Al Ludington. I hate the holidays.
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Lightning78 12/14/2010 2:10pm
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MC Holeshotted Phoenix, threw a big nac nac and the crowd went nuts.

He could have pulled off right then for all I cared.
What he said.......I'm gonna be on the fringe here and say he makes the main and places 10 to 15 .... hell if Lawrence wanted some newfound respect and fans since he isn't taking racing all that seriously maybe he should try one on a yz250 and see how he does
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GuyB 12/14/2010 2:54pm
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Zzzzzzzz...this topic is so tired. I like good racing, and don't care if people are riding two-strokes, four-strokes, or rely on a flux capacitor to power...
Zzzzzzzz...this topic is so tired.

I like good racing, and don't care if people are riding two-strokes, four-strokes, or rely on a flux capacitor to power their bike.
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great - if you & a lot of other fans dont care then lets do the right thing for the sport and allow 2 strokes and...
great - if you & a lot of other fans dont care then lets do the right thing for the sport and allow 2 strokes and 4 strokes to race on a level playing field cc for cc instead of having the outdated 4 stroke handicap system. All the arguments about it not going to work are just scare stories. In Australian Pro motocross they have just allowed this to happen and in Red Bull Pro Nationals in the UK its the same, we are seeing a mixed bag of winners not just 2 or 4 strokes dominating as there is little between them these days...
Okay, Aussie pro racing and U.S. amateur racing is on the same page.

I think I've said before, there needs to be a global solution. Hopefully the AMA and FIM can figure something out together.

Just for giggles, while we're at it, let's create a standard for the electric bikes in their current form. Then a few years from now, when the technology gets a lot better, everyone will realize, "Oops, we gave then too big an advantage," and we'll see this repeat all over again.
aFACEdismembered 12/14/2010 4:43pm
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Europe already has a 125 support class with the EMX 125 class. Young riders and smaller budgeted teams get to enjoy the sport at a professional level still also (without travelling all over the continents the way the big series does). It's proven to be successful too. Musquin won some 125 titles before becoming a World Champ (most recently).

Why not have a regional series like SX for the Nationals? Divide it in to two regions for riders between 15-17 (or some other way to keep the class support specific) looking to earn a pro license or become noticed by a team.
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SwapperMX 12/14/2010 6:11pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Europe already has a 125 support class with the EMX 125 class. Young riders and smaller budgeted teams get to enjoy the sport at a professional...
Europe already has a 125 support class with the EMX 125 class. Young riders and smaller budgeted teams get to enjoy the sport at a professional level still also (without travelling all over the continents the way the big series does). It's proven to be successful too. Musquin won some 125 titles before becoming a World Champ (most recently).

Why not have a regional series like SX for the Nationals? Divide it in to two regions for riders between 15-17 (or some other way to keep the class support specific) looking to earn a pro license or become noticed by a team.
A very, very good idea !!
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GuyB 12/14/2010 7:00pm
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Regional series? I think there is one already. They're called Loretta Lynn's qualifiers.

(Yes, I know that's not what you're talking about, but that's the reality of where our up-and-coming racers develop here.)
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Blake wrote:
MC Holeshotted Phoenix, threw a big nac nac and the crowd went nuts.

He could have pulled off right then for all I cared.
Does anyone have or know of where I could see the footage of that? I remember watching and thinking how awesome it was..
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Regional series? I think there is one already. They're called Loretta Lynn's qualifiers. (Yes, I know that's not what you're talking about, but that's the reality...
Regional series? I think there is one already. They're called Loretta Lynn's qualifiers.

(Yes, I know that's not what you're talking about, but that's the reality of where our up-and-coming racers develop here.)
And that, IMO, is our flaw. There's only one way to the top here in America and it goes through Tennessee. How many people saw Roczen's real speed at Loretta's a few years ago? Not many I'm sure.
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PressPassP 12/15/2010 12:49am
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Having seen him in person on it, having seen the smaller AX-like tracks of Europe and the SX track of the US, he would struggle to...
Having seen him in person on it, having seen the smaller AX-like tracks of Europe and the SX track of the US, he would struggle to make the main.



Not meant as a slam on him, but those Euro tracks are like racing in a shoe box, depending on momentum more than HP.

American SX tracks are much larger, with longer straights, longer timing sections, bigger and deeper whoops and bigger jumps...HP is a bigger factor.



Keep in mind also, the American's over there are not on their bikes with their mechanics or their teams. They're eating weird food, sleeping in weird beds and their bodies are jet-lagged. They get almost zero testing or even practice time on their bikes over there.

They show up with a golf bag or a gun case with their suspension, bolt it on and go.

Takes a lot of talent to be able to go fast under those circumstances against riders comfortable on their own bike and environment.



Soubeyras, while fast, would struggle
Like Desalle did in the outdoors this yearSmile

Seriously though I'd agree that he'd struggle to make a main but I think last season he may well have done,as for the food,Garcia is youg so probably sticks with Subway,McDonalds,Pizza etcGrinning
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GuyB 12/15/2010 1:19am
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And that, IMO, is our flaw. There's only one way to the top here in America and it goes through Tennessee. How many people saw Roczen's...
And that, IMO, is our flaw. There's only one way to the top here in America and it goes through Tennessee. How many people saw Roczen's real speed at Loretta's a few years ago? Not many I'm sure.
So now our amateur development is a problem because it doesn't fit the two-stroke agenda? But wait... that's where 250 two-strokes and 250 four-strokes can go head-to-head in the U.S...

I'm sooo confused. Smile

Personally, it's been a few years since I've been to Loretta's. I'd love to see Regionals be the top of the line for C class riders, and leave the trip to TN for A, B, Schoolboy, and age group racers.

Oh, and about those golf carts...

I think it's cool that guys like Roczen can continue to develop speed. Imagine where he'll be in a few years.
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seth505 12/15/2010 5:15am
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Why does it always have to be labeled "2stroke agenda". I think if we did research it would pretty much be a fact that people would be spending less money if we still had 125/250 2strokes racing everywhere and there would be more people/families involved in the sport.

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ATKpilot99 12/15/2010 6:51am
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Who says a 125 series would have to replace Loretta's? It could just be some good racing and experience for riders on national weekends when the women aren't racing. It would certainly be better than a field of CRF 150s.

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