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11/24/2010 4:39pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Thats what Im asking. Is the intent there with the mulisha ? Im not so sure. I lean towards it just being part of a logo.
If there is any intent what-so-ever with the MM.
My best guess would be "shock factor" marketing ,not their true beliefs.

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11/24/2010 4:54pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Thats what Im asking. Is the intent there with the mulisha ? Im not so sure. I lean towards it just being part of a logo.
FastEddy wrote:
If there is any intent what-so-ever with the MM.
My best guess would be "shock factor" marketing ,not their true beliefs.

See, FastEddy gets it. There is nothing to it unless you choose to make something of it.
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11/24/2010 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2010 5:01pm
Yeah, I understand what you are saying with the Nazi death skull and the skull in the German army helmet.

However,what I have seen over the past 30 years or so in this country with those symbols and guys who ride bikes.
Is alot of out-law type biker gangs would use that skull along with the SS brand as a symbol of heritage & identity on their jackets and also tattooed on them in prison.Also seen many bikers wearing old German WWII helmets over the years. I highly doubt they support or sympathize with the NSDAP....but who knows.

Maybe the MM thought it looked so-called cool,so they wanted to steal that old out-law biker look.
I'm not Deegan,so I don't know,just a guess.
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I heard that the MM was going to be sponsored by West coast choppers, and Jesse James was going to personally build all their bikes for them

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I heard that the MM was going to be sponsored by West coast choppers, and Jesse James was going to personally build all their bikes for...
I heard that the MM was going to be sponsored by West coast choppers, and Jesse James was going to personally build all their bikes for them
Hasn't he already done that in the past?
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YUP
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11/24/2010 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2010 6:13pm
yosmithy wrote:
I heard that the MM was going to be sponsored by West coast choppers, and Jesse James was going to personally build all their bikes for...
I heard that the MM was going to be sponsored by West coast choppers, and Jesse James was going to personally build all their bikes for them
TerryK wrote:
Hasn't he already done that in the past?
OMG! I was just being a dumbass with that comment. That can't be for real?
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11/24/2010 6:32pm
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Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are...
Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are standing alone. The men in this world have turned into a bunch of self loathing pantie wastes. Seriously. Everything hurts somebodies feelings, knock it off already. You're right, we'll ban skulls in general and the letter "S" completely from now on because they make some people feel uncomfortable. You sound like a woman.
I like this noob.lol
11/24/2010 6:37pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2010 6:38pm
Jesse James / West Coast Choppers:











Jesse James' Mistress:







Deegan:













11/24/2010 6:41pm
From http://www.search.com/reference/Metal_Mulisha:

Nazi symbolism and iconography

Various Metal Mulisha logos contain Nazi iconography and symbolism, such as skulls wearing Wehrmacht heer helmets. Another example is the letter "s" in "Mulisha" displayed as a Sig Rune, which appears in the insignia of the Schutzstaffel (SS) of Nazi Germany.
11/24/2010 6:44pm
Annnnnnnd lastly, a young Brian Deegan.



Have I made my point?
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From [url=http://www.search.com/reference/Metal_Mulisha]http://www.search.com/reference/Metal_Mulisha[/url]: [b]Nazi symbolism and iconography[/b] Various Metal Mulisha logos contain Nazi iconography and symbolism, such as skulls wearing Wehrmacht heer helmets. Another example is the...
From http://www.search.com/reference/Metal_Mulisha:

Nazi symbolism and iconography

Various Metal Mulisha logos contain Nazi iconography and symbolism, such as skulls wearing Wehrmacht heer helmets. Another example is the letter "s" in "Mulisha" displayed as a Sig Rune, which appears in the insignia of the Schutzstaffel (SS) of Nazi Germany.
Is this the biggest problem in your life right now??? Are you really burning up Google looking for shit to make your point?? Get over it... Let it go....Have a beer and relax....

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11/24/2010 6:46pm
BKoonts wrote:
Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are...
Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are standing alone. The men in this world have turned into a bunch of self loathing pantie wastes. Seriously. Everything hurts somebodies feelings, knock it off already. You're right, we'll ban skulls in general and the letter "S" completely from now on because they make some people feel uncomfortable. You sound like a woman.
I didn't have to look that hard to have a problem with it, it's blatant. [img]http://www.skateandsnow.com/logos/metal_mulisha_logo.gif[/img] [img]http://www.surplusinc.com/prodimg/DIS0188.jpg[/img]
I didn't have to look that hard to have a problem with it, it's blatant.



http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm

I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never noticed this before, but you can't deny it.....there it is right there! Will be interesting to see if the logo changes. This kind of thing doesn't go away easily........Ohhhhh, I just got the Jesse James reference.
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[url=http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm]http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm[/url] I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never...
http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm

I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never noticed this before, but you can't deny it.....there it is right there! Will be interesting to see if the logo changes. This kind of thing doesn't go away easily........Ohhhhh, I just got the Jesse James reference.
I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them!

Stupid? Really? Seems to be working out pretty good for a guy who couldn't make it in racing...

Will be interesting to see if the logo changes

So you think after all the years of getting that logo exposure he is going to just up and change it cause a few school wont allow kids to wear it?? Your kidding right? Do you know how marketing works??

This kind of thing doesn't go away easily

He's had the logo for years, and other school districts have banned the logo, along with the Skin one. All that does it make the kids want it more... Go away??? It's been what, 10 years or more with the logo, and all of the sudden you think its going away?? Not a chance!
11/24/2010 6:56pm
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Is this the biggest problem in your life right now??? Are you really burning up Google looking for shit to make your point?? Get over it...
Is this the biggest problem in your life right now??? Are you really burning up Google looking for shit to make your point?? Get over it... Let it go....Have a beer and relax....

It is actually. I have it fuckin' sweet.
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RaceFace wrote:
[url=http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm]http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm[/url] I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never...
http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm

I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never noticed this before, but you can't deny it.....there it is right there! Will be interesting to see if the logo changes. This kind of thing doesn't go away easily........Ohhhhh, I just got the Jesse James reference.
lafawnduh wrote:
[b]I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! [/b] Stupid? Really? Seems to be working...
I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them!

Stupid? Really? Seems to be working out pretty good for a guy who couldn't make it in racing...

Will be interesting to see if the logo changes

So you think after all the years of getting that logo exposure he is going to just up and change it cause a few school wont allow kids to wear it?? Your kidding right? Do you know how marketing works??

This kind of thing doesn't go away easily

He's had the logo for years, and other school districts have banned the logo, along with the Skin one. All that does it make the kids want it more... Go away??? It's been what, 10 years or more with the logo, and all of the sudden you think its going away?? Not a chance!
Actually, I think not many have given any thought to the undertones of all this. If it catches on, they are going to see a shitstorm of pissed off people....people that never heard of the Metal Mulisha before this being the reason they are. But yeah it is pretty f'ing stupid to asscociate yourself with the Nazi party either by accident or on purpose.

I've seen the logo a million times and obviosuly I'm stupid because this is the first time my eyes were opened to what is being represented, even if by accident. Since they are denying any Nazi affiliation or undertones, one would guess correcting the error in judgement would be forthcoming, no? I'm guessing not changing a thing will just be saying "we meant to do that".

Some people will be especially hard hit by this since they lost family at the hands of Nazis. Jesse James found out how lightly people take that whole Nazi thing. Good thing he was just joking around. hahaha, that was a good one Jesse. Marketing.....yeah being labelled a Nazi is an excellent marketing plan.
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"In a story in The Magazine in 2000, Deegan came across to many as homophobic and racist, and justified using images of the Nazi blitzkrieg in a marketing video by saying, "That Hitler stuff isn't against anyone—I don't know anything about the Jewish religion. It's just that he was superpissed. I like being on the edge." Today his voice lowers, then cracks, as he tries to put his old venom into context: "That was me being a dumb kid. I tried to uphold an image and shock people. We had to be gnarly all the time. When I realized how stupid that was, people called me a sellout. But I didn't owe them anything." But there was someone he did owe: Hailie. "I didn't want her to look at me and say her dad was f—ed up. I wanted to be someone she could look up to." Deegan pauses, still flicking the Bible's pages. Hailie bounces on the couch. "

Full article.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3492146
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RaceFace wrote:
[url=http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm]http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm[/url] I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never...
http://www.german-helmets.com/WSS%20MAIN.htm

I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! I'm a bit shocked I never noticed this before, but you can't deny it.....there it is right there! Will be interesting to see if the logo changes. This kind of thing doesn't go away easily........Ohhhhh, I just got the Jesse James reference.
lafawnduh wrote:
[b]I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them! [/b] Stupid? Really? Seems to be working...
I am not accusing them of being rampant Nazis, but to have any similarity is downright stupid of them!

Stupid? Really? Seems to be working out pretty good for a guy who couldn't make it in racing...

Will be interesting to see if the logo changes

So you think after all the years of getting that logo exposure he is going to just up and change it cause a few school wont allow kids to wear it?? Your kidding right? Do you know how marketing works??

This kind of thing doesn't go away easily

He's had the logo for years, and other school districts have banned the logo, along with the Skin one. All that does it make the kids want it more... Go away??? It's been what, 10 years or more with the logo, and all of the sudden you think its going away?? Not a chance!
RaceFace wrote:
Actually, I think not many have given any thought to the undertones of all this. If it catches on, they are going to see a shitstorm...
Actually, I think not many have given any thought to the undertones of all this. If it catches on, they are going to see a shitstorm of pissed off people....people that never heard of the Metal Mulisha before this being the reason they are. But yeah it is pretty f'ing stupid to asscociate yourself with the Nazi party either by accident or on purpose.

I've seen the logo a million times and obviosuly I'm stupid because this is the first time my eyes were opened to what is being represented, even if by accident. Since they are denying any Nazi affiliation or undertones, one would guess correcting the error in judgement would be forthcoming, no? I'm guessing not changing a thing will just be saying "we meant to do that".

Some people will be especially hard hit by this since they lost family at the hands of Nazis. Jesse James found out how lightly people take that whole Nazi thing. Good thing he was just joking around. hahaha, that was a good one Jesse. Marketing.....yeah being labelled a Nazi is an excellent marketing plan.
I'm guessing if the Internet was around in the 70's this topic would of been about Kiss.. You think the companies that sponsor Deegan know about the logo??

Wanna give an example how bad Jesse James' life is after being labled a Nazi? Last time I saw Jesse he had a pretty good crowd around him waiting for an autograph, and a pic.

Some of you guys are turning into your parents..

ABC has Vince Neil from Motley Crue on a new show, that dude is a devil worshiper. Ever seen the cover of the Shout at the Devil album???

Is this really the shit I've missed by not being on Vital???

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11/24/2010 7:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2010 7:29pm
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I'm guessing if the Internet was around in the 70's this topic would of been about Kiss.. You think the companies that sponsor Deegan know about...
I'm guessing if the Internet was around in the 70's this topic would of been about Kiss.. You think the companies that sponsor Deegan know about the logo??

Wanna give an example how bad Jesse James' life is after being labled a Nazi? Last time I saw Jesse he had a pretty good crowd around him waiting for an autograph, and a pic.

Some of you guys are turning into your parents..

ABC has Vince Neil from Motley Crue on a new show, that dude is a devil worshiper. Ever seen the cover of the Shout at the Devil album???

Is this really the shit I've missed by not being on Vital???

The Mulisha signed a licensing agreement with an outside firm to run the clothing line, with Deegan retaining approval over designs and control of the team. The brand was soon back on track.



Looks like the outside firm & Deegan are laughing all the way to the bank.
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lafawnduh wrote:
I'm guessing if the Internet was around in the 70's this topic would of been about Kiss.. You think the companies that sponsor Deegan know about...
I'm guessing if the Internet was around in the 70's this topic would of been about Kiss.. You think the companies that sponsor Deegan know about the logo??

Wanna give an example how bad Jesse James' life is after being labled a Nazi? Last time I saw Jesse he had a pretty good crowd around him waiting for an autograph, and a pic.

Some of you guys are turning into your parents..

ABC has Vince Neil from Motley Crue on a new show, that dude is a devil worshiper. Ever seen the cover of the Shout at the Devil album???

Is this really the shit I've missed by not being on Vital???

FastEddy wrote:
The Mulisha signed a licensing agreement with an outside firm to run the clothing line, with Deegan retaining approval over designs and control of the team...
The Mulisha signed a licensing agreement with an outside firm to run the clothing line, with Deegan retaining approval over designs and control of the team. The brand was soon back on track.



Looks like the outside firm & Deegan are laughing all the way to the bank.
Exactly!!!!!

It's not for everyone, but until sales stop, that logo aint changing..
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11/24/2010 7:43pm
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Exactly!!!!!

It's not for everyone, but until sales stop, that logo aint changing..
You know what else is funny...
Telling kids that they cant wear something will even make them want to wear it more.
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There is a load of assumptions in this thread. Its like a sexual innuendo; you can make one out of anything...but its only if you choose to. If you are convinced something is wrong and you look long enough, eventually you will think you see something.
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I´ve seen countless bikers wear that helmet, without being nazi´s. In fact, the helmet was first introduced in 1916 during ww1 - in a time when the word "nazi" was unknown. The fact that it´s called a nazi symbol is down right stupid. It´s a German helmet - nothing more.
The SS was an elite division, some of the best soldiers the world has seen.And the individuals did not have to be nazi in oreder to be enrolled, they just had to make it through the gruelling training. To me the SS symbolizes skills, dedication, fear and obedience.
And runes are what? nazi symbols? LOL, tell that to my forefathers....
When I first saw the MM logo I thought it looked dumb and "hardcore", but in no way did I think of it as pro-nazi. They just wanted to stand out as a group of individuals without brains, intellience or common sence. To me they fall into the same category as rappers - full of shit but very little to back it up with.
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11/25/2010 4:41am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2010 4:47am
BKoonts wrote:
Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are...
Stop looking for shit to have a problem with. That "S" is not a Nazi symbol unless there are two in a row and they are standing alone. The men in this world have turned into a bunch of self loathing pantie wastes. Seriously. Everything hurts somebodies feelings, knock it off already. You're right, we'll ban skulls in general and the letter "S" completely from now on because they make some people feel uncomfortable. You sound like a woman.
it is a nazi symbol,
the ss MURDERED 6 MILLION people and commited terrible attrocities across europe,they ran the holocaust you idiot.
maybe you are far away from where it happened and you dont care, but i do.
i have a f*cking problem with anyone who thinks its cool or okay to even associate themselves with the nazis.
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Yep white thrash nazis that's what it says to me and would never buy it. Reminds me of American history X. They are probably not but it's a shame that their logo is such a reference to the Nazi. I don't think they are trying to influence people and I'm sure most of their customers just see it as hardcore, rebel and no reference to antisemitism.
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Sunhouse wrote:
I´ve seen countless bikers wear that helmet, without being nazi´s. In fact, the helmet was first introduced in 1916 during ww1 - in a time when...
I´ve seen countless bikers wear that helmet, without being nazi´s. In fact, the helmet was first introduced in 1916 during ww1 - in a time when the word "nazi" was unknown. The fact that it´s called a nazi symbol is down right stupid. It´s a German helmet - nothing more.
The SS was an elite division, some of the best soldiers the world has seen.And the individuals did not have to be nazi in oreder to be enrolled, they just had to make it through the gruelling training. To me the SS symbolizes skills, dedication, fear and obedience.
And runes are what? nazi symbols? LOL, tell that to my forefathers....
When I first saw the MM logo I thought it looked dumb and "hardcore", but in no way did I think of it as pro-nazi. They just wanted to stand out as a group of individuals without brains, intellience or common sence. To me they fall into the same category as rappers - full of shit but very little to back it up with.
No, the SS had to vow loyalty to the Nazi party, something the regular German army did not have to do.

"The Nazis regarded the SS as an elite unit, the party's "Praetorian Guard", with all SS personnel (originally) selected on the principles of racial purity and loyalty to the Nazi Party.[3][4] In the early days of the SS, officer candidates had to prove German ancestry to 1750. They also were required to prove that they had no Jewish ancestors. Later, when the requirements of the war made it impossible to confirm the ancestry of officer candidates, the proof of ancestry regulation was dropped."

Deegan's comments in the interview posted in this thread confirm that he used the Nazi symbolism on purpose, and meant it as a Nazi reference. That should be enough for rational people to steer clear of the message of hate.

Using it as "shock marketing" is not a valid excuse any more than putting out a line of clothing called "KKK Klothes" with a picture of a black man swinging from a noose would be.
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All schools, nationwide, should have a uniform. And it should be the same across the nation. Something simple like khaki pants and a blue shirt. Easy for everyone to find and in-expensive for everyone.
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Sunhouse wrote:
I´ve seen countless bikers wear that helmet, without being nazi´s. In fact, the helmet was first introduced in 1916 during ww1 - in a time when...
I´ve seen countless bikers wear that helmet, without being nazi´s. In fact, the helmet was first introduced in 1916 during ww1 - in a time when the word "nazi" was unknown. The fact that it´s called a nazi symbol is down right stupid. It´s a German helmet - nothing more.
The SS was an elite division, some of the best soldiers the world has seen.And the individuals did not have to be nazi in oreder to be enrolled, they just had to make it through the gruelling training. To me the SS symbolizes skills, dedication, fear and obedience.
And runes are what? nazi symbols? LOL, tell that to my forefathers....
When I first saw the MM logo I thought it looked dumb and "hardcore", but in no way did I think of it as pro-nazi. They just wanted to stand out as a group of individuals without brains, intellience or common sence. To me they fall into the same category as rappers - full of shit but very little to back it up with.
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No, the SS had to vow loyalty to the Nazi party, something the regular German army did not have to do. "The Nazis regarded the SS...
No, the SS had to vow loyalty to the Nazi party, something the regular German army did not have to do.

"The Nazis regarded the SS as an elite unit, the party's "Praetorian Guard", with all SS personnel (originally) selected on the principles of racial purity and loyalty to the Nazi Party.[3][4] In the early days of the SS, officer candidates had to prove German ancestry to 1750. They also were required to prove that they had no Jewish ancestors. Later, when the requirements of the war made it impossible to confirm the ancestry of officer candidates, the proof of ancestry regulation was dropped."

Deegan's comments in the interview posted in this thread confirm that he used the Nazi symbolism on purpose, and meant it as a Nazi reference. That should be enough for rational people to steer clear of the message of hate.

Using it as "shock marketing" is not a valid excuse any more than putting out a line of clothing called "KKK Klothes" with a picture of a black man swinging from a noose would be.
wrong. This was not practiced, but it sounded good on paper and on Wikipedia. Read some books on the subject, preferably from former SS soldiers and you will forget these clishés. Early on - yes, it was a disired feature, but when time came for the SS to be a working force, this was not practiced. Many SS soldiers were recruited from occupied countries, and these men could not prove any ancestry to Germany.

Also, many did not now anything about nazi ideology. Many simply joined because of the Bolshevik threat from the east. The same threat the Allies "fought" from 1945. This matter is not all blacl and white. A bit OT in this thread though...
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11/25/2010 6:43am Edited Date/Time 11/25/2010 6:49am
Funny little story that reminds me of this........In high school me and Josh Demuth hung out everyday and rode dirt bikes, BMX and whatever else........He went to a rural county school. Like really straight laced and to a T. I went to a city school that was somewhat known for being pretty rough.



One time the small group of us that rode BMX together dyed our hair......this was like 95' so this stuff wasn't very common back then. His was blue and mine was red. He got suspended from school. They told him not to come back til it was fixed. So he dyed it jet black......got suspended again. So I just shaved it for him.



Nobody cared at my school about my hair. They were always giving Josh a hard time about something related to the way he looked. It was all pretty stupid.

This was before Josh had any tatoos.
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That reference that states Deegan chose to use this purposely says it all. Bringing up Vince Neil, or Jesse James to defend it is stupid. Think Deegan wants to end up like Vince Neil? If Jesse James was so happy with what transpired, why was he everywhere trying to deny it as being true? The swastika was actually a good luck symbol (ala a 4 leaf clover) before the Nazis chose it as a defining mark. Doesn't make it okay to use it today and claim it once was a good luck symbol. For some reason the iron cross hasn't become the defining mark like the swastika has. If he had been dumb enough to use swastikas, he would never have gotten the Mulisha anywhere guaranteed. He probably would have liked to though, considering that photo of him in school with the masking tape swastika on the floor at his feet.

Yeah people may want Jesse James' autograph, that is what defines a good life? Guess what, there are people that want serial killers' autographs too. Shit, some women fall in love with serial killers and marry them, crazy bitches that they are. Think Charlie Manson doesn't get fan mail? People are sick. That doesn't absolve anyone of doing the wrong thing.

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