Lead Law - we need your help

mx_momma
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I know most of you are past the 50 and 65 stage, but for the sport to continue to stay strong and grow, we need our young riders!! Please help...

Lead Law is baaaccckkkk!!!!

Please visit ama-cycle.org to learn more and "like" the following page on facebook, there is a link to the ama page where you can send a letter to your congressmen and senators/info/flyer you can print out and take to the track to help spread the word

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fight-the-Lead-Law-going-back-into-effect-May-1-2011/142675242452074
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alphado
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11/15/2010 8:56am
We did this a couple years ago. Let the manufacturers fight it this time.
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alphado wrote:
We did this a couple years ago. Let the manufacturers fight it this time.
I think most people are very unaware of how close we are to losing the 50's, 65's and more! The Stay of Enforcement ends May 1st, so Congress has to act prior to that....with Obamacare, Cap n Trade and Jobs being on the plate, we may be completely overlooked unless enough of us send a note to our members....

Alphado, if you're an enthusiast it's YOUR fight too....Manufacturers will just stop sending the bikes to the US, and in 10 or 20 years we'll all feel the impact....Just my 2 cents.
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We did fight it the first time, we wrote our Congress lady and Sentators. My son was featured in our local paper, he was close to going to DC to testify for the AMA. Everyone gave up once the stay was issued. The manufacturers should have been fighting it then, they didn't so now it is their turn.

I can use it as an excuse as to why we don't ride anymore, not that I can no longer afford to.
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Didn't I read somewhere that Cobra's were unaffected by the law?

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mx_momma
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I don't think any bikes are unaffected by the law, pick up December's American Motorcyclist magazine and Sean Hilbert, from Cobra Moto is in the article discussing how it would be devastating to the entire sport.

Yes we all did this before, and the manufacturers have been fighting, infact there was the CPSEA in 2010 drafted by Waxman that would give flexibility, but it wasn't finalized before the end of session.

We need to keep the issue in our representative's minds so that they know it is 'our' issue and not just a money hungry organization's agenda to make more money.
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11/15/2010 11:59am
Duane Brown (BBR) who is pretty close to Honda, told me they are going to just put a designated for use by 12 and older sticker on everything. But yeah, the Manufacturers need to get on this.
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11/15/2010 2:06pm
The manufactuers are giant corporations. They have plenty of resources. They haven't done jack shit to correct this problem. A couple thousand mx riders don't have nearly the pull as Honda. They have lobbyist for this sort of thing. Honda has car plants in several states. I find it hard to believe they can't lean on the senators from these states. It's almost like they don't want to fix it.
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11/15/2010 2:15pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2010 2:16pm
jatharp12 wrote:
The manufactuers are giant corporations. They have plenty of resources. They haven't done jack shit to correct this problem. A couple thousand mx riders don't have...
The manufactuers are giant corporations. They have plenty of resources. They haven't done jack shit to correct this problem. A couple thousand mx riders don't have nearly the pull as Honda. They have lobbyist for this sort of thing. Honda has car plants in several states. I find it hard to believe they can't lean on the senators from these states. It's almost like they don't want to fix it.
They are from Japan. Do you think Honda really cares about a handful of minibikes that won't be able to be sold in the USA because of this? Honda doesn't even make a racing 50, so they probably could care less.
KTM, Cobra and any other mini-racer manufacturer should be the ones fighting it.
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11/15/2010 3:01pm
A while back someone here was pretty vocal in wondering why Vital didn't do more to push the fight for keeping riding areas open, etc.

I get that this stuff isn't fun or sexy, and maybe you don't feel the need to help. But feeling the need for public displays of apathy? I'd bet that some of the same people would be first in line to complain if the ban gets reinstated.
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I could start a 10 pager, but I'll zip it.
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10-pagers are overrated. Five-pagers with content worth reading are much more desirable.
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I feel like a sap after it came out that the manufacturers supported it because they thought it would only affect the cheap Chinese bikes. Turned out that it bit them in the ass. Screw them, I am not going to fight so I can buy some overpriced bike from them. Let them fight it this time.
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11/15/2010 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2010 4:06pm
Everyone seems to forget that this sport was double it's size when there was not a 50 or 65 class. Why? Because riding a dirt bike at age 6 was only about fun. A pull start sears minibike was the shit and parents bought thousands. Everyone could afford them at $250. After they caught the riding bug they got a 80 or 100 and then a 125, 250 and then a 500.
Now we have $3,000+ peewees and people wonder why the industry is taking a shit. For every kid that has the parents who can afford 5k for them to START racing peewee there are 10,000 kids who parents say fuck that. Those kids are lost for life in this sport.
In my opinion competative, organized racing should be reserved for adults who have disposable income to participate.

I will vote FOR the lead law to protect our sport. Sorry. And thanks for the reminder.
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11/15/2010 4:22pm
I'm in the middle on this one. Which is the same as my political views.
I can see good arguments on both sides, but besides a financial benefit to the manufacturers / tracks / accessory companies and the benefit that America could lose its grip on world dominance in the sport of motocross because the next Johnny O'hannah won't be able to start racing until he is 14 - I tend to side with Mstock - but only a little unless someone else can give some better reasons.
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because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my kid on on a motorcycle... and that is what it is coming to.
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11/15/2010 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2010 4:44pm
because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my...
because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my kid on on a motorcycle... and that is what it is coming to.
well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though.
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alphado wrote:
I feel like a sap after it came out that the manufacturers supported it because they thought it would only affect the cheap Chinese bikes. Turned...
I feel like a sap after it came out that the manufacturers supported it because they thought it would only affect the cheap Chinese bikes. Turned out that it bit them in the ass. Screw them, I am not going to fight so I can buy some overpriced bike from them. Let them fight it this time.
Pretty much where I stand at this point as well.
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because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my...
because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my kid on on a motorcycle... and that is what it is coming to.
mxrose3 wrote:
well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though.
What is your point? The government already regulates all those things. You have no freedom in those choices.

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I know how to bring more attention to this issue...

Is Lead Law J-Law's long-lost brother?
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Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki do not make a 50cc full on race bikes. Ever wonder why? It's not healthy for the kids, the parents, or the sport!
The Japanese understand this but americans can't seem to grasp the concept. The big four don't give two shits about the USA lead law. They want it, and for good reason.

Of course nobody is concerned about "lead poisoning". That is just a farce to make greater change under the guise of a "law".


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11/15/2010 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2010 5:09pm
Why would the Japanese brands want the lead law?
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11/15/2010 5:12pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2010 5:15pm
because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my...
because this is supposed to be the land of the free and i really don't want my government telling me what age i can let my kid on on a motorcycle... and that is what it is coming to.
mxrose3 wrote:
well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though.
Mstock wrote:
What is your point? The government already regulates all those things. You have no freedom in those choices.

Do you want freedom in those choices? be careful what you ask for...
I was being sarcastic here. I really don't want my kid driving before 16, and I don't want my kid smoking before 18 or drinking before 21... good laws that were put in effect for lots of reasons.
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GuyB wrote:
I know how to bring more attention to this issue...

Is Lead Law J-Law's long-lost brother?
HA!

It's a Jersey thing anyway.
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mxrose3 wrote:
well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though.
Mstock wrote:
What is your point? The government already regulates all those things. You have no freedom in those choices.

mxrose3 wrote:
Do you want freedom in those choices? be careful what you ask for... I was being sarcastic here. I really don't want my kid driving before...
Do you want freedom in those choices? be careful what you ask for...
I was being sarcastic here. I really don't want my kid driving before 16, and I don't want my kid smoking before 18 or drinking before 21... good laws that were put in effect for lots of reasons.
I read your post to read exactly your words "well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though."

Since they were your own words I thought that when you said the word "I" I thought you meant yourself.

My bad.

LMAO
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Why would the Japanese brands want the lead law?
Um....they don't sell bikes for the under 13 crowd. Just a wild ass guess.
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GuyB wrote:
I know how to bring more attention to this issue...

Is Lead Law J-Law's long-lost brother?
HA!

It's a Jersey thing anyway.
What Exit?
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another thing you should think about is that these companies won't stop making the bikes, they'll start paying out the butt to have them tested, making them even more expensive.

How that affects everyone in the sport is that all parts, accessories and riding gear that is intended for the under 13 crowd will have to be tested/certified. They won't pass all of the cost on to the mini-riders....everyone's prices will go up.

so while you might not be a fan of mini riders - it will still affect you
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11/15/2010 6:09pm
mx_momma wrote:
another thing you should think about is that these companies won't stop making the bikes, they'll start paying out the butt to have them tested, making...
another thing you should think about is that these companies won't stop making the bikes, they'll start paying out the butt to have them tested, making them even more expensive.

How that affects everyone in the sport is that all parts, accessories and riding gear that is intended for the under 13 crowd will have to be tested/certified. They won't pass all of the cost on to the mini-riders....everyone's prices will go up.

so while you might not be a fan of mini riders - it will still affect you
Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki @ Yamaha do not make those bikes so we don't care and never will.

What else you got?
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11/15/2010 6:18pm
GuyB wrote:
I know how to bring more attention to this issue...

Is Lead Law J-Law's long-lost brother?
HA!

It's a Jersey thing anyway.
mxrose3 wrote:
What Exit?
<- Exit 155 (well used to be).
mxrose3
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11/15/2010 6:26pm
Mstock wrote:
What is your point? The government already regulates all those things. You have no freedom in those choices.

mxrose3 wrote:
Do you want freedom in those choices? be careful what you ask for... I was being sarcastic here. I really don't want my kid driving before...
Do you want freedom in those choices? be careful what you ask for...
I was being sarcastic here. I really don't want my kid driving before 16, and I don't want my kid smoking before 18 or drinking before 21... good laws that were put in effect for lots of reasons.
Mstock wrote:
I read your post to read exactly your words "well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking...
I read your post to read exactly your words "well I don't want the government to tell me what age my kid can start driving, smoking, drinking or reading porn either. Many others disagree though."

Since they were your own words I thought that when you said the word "I" I thought you meant yourself.

My bad.

LMAO
I was fishin' for a large mouth bass... sorry for the confusion

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