with all this talk of testing....

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I wonder what the difference is? I mean seriously I know it's needed and I know it makes a difference or the teams wouldn't do it but what is the actual difference in say seconds? .5, 1, 2 seconds? or is it more confidence in knowing youve done your homework? Just curious what all you hooligans think or knowSilly
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mws02 11/6/2010 9:58am
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The difference is everything if you are say, josh grant and are on a new bike. Getting comfortable with the bike and using all the resources honda has to offer to custom fit the bike to his exact wants/needs will make him more confident and comfortable on the bike; so yeah that is a good question. I wonder what the difference would be between JG on a stock honda ripping laps on supercross vs JG that has tested and has the bike dialed to his personal settings & likes?

For someone like K-dub or Dungey that is already familiar with their bike, I wouldn't think they would be making dramatic changes to the chassis & motor. So I would think the adjustments they are making are probably more of a fine tuning type thing which will produce a smaller result in say- lap time. Although to them .2 of a second is huge.

It would be interesting to put a stop watch to it for guys on new bikes from stock to finished testing and for guys on the same bike just making small adjustments.
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ATKpilot99 11/6/2010 10:42am
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It would also depend on how good a rider is at testing. I've heard of tuners telling a rider they made a change when they actually did nothing and the rider would come back saying there was a difference. Power of suggestion.
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fader418 11/6/2010 11:08am
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I don't think Stewart has ever looked that good on the yamaha. At Anehieim 1 last year that bike was bucking him all over the place. According to LB on his twitter they have the bike set up good now. If that's the case nobody has a chance of beating James. IMO.
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Cook441 11/6/2010 12:15pm
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mws02 wrote:
The difference is everything if you are say, josh grant and are on a new bike. Getting comfortable with the bike and using all the resources...
The difference is everything if you are say, josh grant and are on a new bike. Getting comfortable with the bike and using all the resources honda has to offer to custom fit the bike to his exact wants/needs will make him more confident and comfortable on the bike; so yeah that is a good question. I wonder what the difference would be between JG on a stock honda ripping laps on supercross vs JG that has tested and has the bike dialed to his personal settings & likes?

For someone like K-dub or Dungey that is already familiar with their bike, I wouldn't think they would be making dramatic changes to the chassis & motor. So I would think the adjustments they are making are probably more of a fine tuning type thing which will produce a smaller result in say- lap time. Although to them .2 of a second is huge.

It would be interesting to put a stop watch to it for guys on new bikes from stock to finished testing and for guys on the same bike just making small adjustments.
exactly I always wondered that... I mean Reed hopped on the CR w some pro circuit parts and boom hes pretty competetive...I know a lot of the stuff is designed to not fade (shock clutch etc) but that doesnt necessarily add speed it just helps maintain the same throughout the race- Dialed or not I wonder what a stock set up does vs tried and true tested parts in seconds-

DV could prolly tell us-

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Billy Jack 11/6/2010 12:20pm
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Cook441 wrote:
I wonder what the difference is? I mean seriously I know it's needed and I know it makes a difference or the teams wouldn't do it...
I wonder what the difference is? I mean seriously I know it's needed and I know it makes a difference or the teams wouldn't do it but what is the actual difference in say seconds? .5, 1, 2 seconds? or is it more confidence in knowing youve done your homework? Just curious what all you hooligans think or knowSilly
It probably depends a great extent on the rider in question. Someone like Dungey goes out there and tests over and over. Well, his results speak for themselves. I have heard quite a few riders say things like, "I went back after the qualifiers and made some changes and it all worked out..." Obviously testing pays off come race day, but I think some riders probably do more than other's.
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Cook441 11/6/2010 12:25pm
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Cook441 wrote:
I wonder what the difference is? I mean seriously I know it's needed and I know it makes a difference or the teams wouldn't do it...
I wonder what the difference is? I mean seriously I know it's needed and I know it makes a difference or the teams wouldn't do it but what is the actual difference in say seconds? .5, 1, 2 seconds? or is it more confidence in knowing youve done your homework? Just curious what all you hooligans think or knowSilly
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It probably depends a great extent on the rider in question. Someone like Dungey goes out there and tests over and over. Well, his results speak...
It probably depends a great extent on the rider in question. Someone like Dungey goes out there and tests over and over. Well, his results speak for themselves. I have heard quite a few riders say things like, "I went back after the qualifiers and made some changes and it all worked out..." Obviously testing pays off come race day, but I think some riders probably do more than other's.
Yes thats obvious but in that same example when you look at the lap times sometimes there may be a small .4 improvement but a lot of times it's the same-lap times with a better result

On a side note is it me or did everyone seem to be closer in speed once there was only one tire?
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Cook441 11/6/2010 12:27pm
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fader418 wrote:
I don't think Stewart has ever looked that good on the yamaha. At Anehieim 1 last year that bike was bucking him all over the place...
I don't think Stewart has ever looked that good on the yamaha. At Anehieim 1 last year that bike was bucking him all over the place. According to LB on his twitter they have the bike set up good now. If that's the case nobody has a chance of beating James. IMO.
I thought he was "finally on even equipment-"
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malley343 11/6/2010 2:19pm
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i honestly believe its more of a confidence thing for a rider in his head this bike is exactly the way he thinks it should be but if i changed something small on the bike and he never knew i changed it ,would it show up on lap times,i really don't think so but that would be a good test to try out
xnationalwrench 11/6/2010 2:56pm
11/6/2010 2:56pm
It depends on the racer and his experience (that and knows what he likes) Like Grant besides a new bike he also has a new (to him) mechanic so they need to work together to be on the same page. If the racer is not sure of what he wants or likes its trying different componets to see and feel the differences. I have seen the R&D mechanics not do anything but say "OK try this" but to be honest I haven't seen a Team Mechanic do that with his rider because they need to be able to trust each other. Also like was mentioned above "I made changes after the qualifer" I have seen settings that were changed in testing or practicing have to be changed because they aren't pressing as hard as during the actual race.

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