FAFO - College Protestors

TXDirt wrote:

Nice try, but your pathetic attempt at a gotcha falls flat. You’re deliberately twisting words to equate a sovereign nation defending itself with a terrorist death...

Nice try, but your pathetic attempt at a gotcha falls flat. You’re deliberately twisting words to equate a sovereign nation defending itself with a terrorist death cult that exists to massacre civilians. Israel isn’t rounding up families and executing them in their homes. Hamas does. Israel isn’t sending suicide bombers into markets or raping women as a war tactic. Hamas does. The difference is night and day, and pretending otherwise is either willful ignorance or flat-out terrorist apologism.  

You can cherry-pick reports and cry about “butchering civilians” all you want, but the reality is simple: If you’re in the U.S. and you publicly support a terrorist organization you should be deported immediately. No twisting, no pathetic false comparisons, no mental gymnastics will change that. Either you back civilization, or you back savages. If you’re dumb enough to defend the latter, you don’t belong here. Period.

Last2Stroke wrote:

How am I twisting your words when I quoted you directly..."you just don’t get to stay here if yours belongs to a group that butchers...

How am I twisting your words when I quoted you directly...

"you just don’t get to stay here if yours belongs to a group that butchers civilians"

Hamas kills civilians, Israel kills civilians, one group does it face to face, the other group does it from 30,000ft, both achieve the same result, so why do you differentiate?

TXDirt wrote:

Hamas intentionally butchers civilians—women, children, babies—in their homes, on the streets, and at concerts. They take hostages, rape, and parade bodies through the streets in celebration...

Hamas intentionally butchers civilians—women, children, babies—in their homes, on the streets, and at concerts. They take hostages, rape, and parade bodies through the streets in celebration. That’s not collateral damage. That’s terrorism.  

Israel, like any nation at war, has civilian casualties, but they aren’t targeting civilians as a mission objective. They warn before strikes, they attempt to minimize civilian deaths, and they fight an enemy that deliberately hides behind human shields. If you can’t see the difference between a government defending itself and a terrorist group whose entire purpose is to slaughter civilians, then you’re either ignorant or willfully blind.  

The fact that you’re even trying to equate the two says everything. One side fights a war; the other commits atrocities.

It’s clear what side you are on.

Flatliner wrote:

TXDirt has nailed this every step of the way ......  Nobody is forcing that individual to be here,  he's a guest in our country, too bad...

TXDirt has nailed this every step of the way ......  Nobody is forcing that individual to be here,  he's a guest in our country, too bad if he gets sent packing.  Live and protest in the west bank.

motomind00132 wrote:

Major issues here in Chicago over the summer and early fall with them. I will for one be happy to see them gtfoh. 

George Costanza wrote:

Wasn't it the left who set the precedent that words are literal violence?  and it doesnt help when the media is misrepresenting what the president said regarding...

Wasn't it the left who set the precedent that words are literal violence? 

Activists now call offending someone “violence."

That's "one of the most pernicious things about social justice control of language" says @TimothySandefur @GoldwaterInst.

Why? Because if words are violence, we lose "the only way we to deal with one another [peacefully]... " pic.twitter.com/3oNGJ3ZOHT

— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) August 8, 2021

 

and it doesnt help when the media is misrepresenting what the president said regarding "violence" by saying he's going after protesters. 

🚨 MSNBC HOST: Trump says he's labeling violence against Tesla dealerships 'domestic terrorism.' To be clear, you are now labeled a domestic terrorist for protesting.pic.twitter.com/O91R1V9L5R

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 12, 2025

 

George Costanza wrote:

Wasn't it the left who set the precedent that words are literal violence?  and it doesnt help when the media is misrepresenting what the president said regarding...

Wasn't it the left who set the precedent that words are literal violence? 

Activists now call offending someone “violence."

That's "one of the most pernicious things about social justice control of language" says @TimothySandefur @GoldwaterInst.

Why? Because if words are violence, we lose "the only way we to deal with one another [peacefully]... " pic.twitter.com/3oNGJ3ZOHT

— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) August 8, 2021

 

and it doesnt help when the media is misrepresenting what the president said regarding "violence" by saying he's going after protesters. 

🚨 MSNBC HOST: Trump says he's labeling violence against Tesla dealerships 'domestic terrorism.' To be clear, you are now labeled a domestic terrorist for protesting.pic.twitter.com/O91R1V9L5R

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 12, 2025

 

FastEddy wrote:

TXDirt wrote:

You’re damn right I’m calling it dangerous moral rot—because it is. And if you’re seriously defending people who stand in the streets of America waving terrorist...

You’re damn right I’m calling it dangerous moral rot—because it is. And if you’re seriously defending people who stand in the streets of America waving terrorist flags and chanting in support of groups that butcher civilians, you’re part of the problem.  

This isn’t “just using their voice.” This isn’t “just holding up a sign.” It’s openly aligning with terrorists. It’s giving moral and political cover to groups that kidnap, rape, and execute innocent people. And if you’re too blind, too cowardly, or too brainwashed to admit that, then you’re either a fool or a sympathizer.  

Let’s get one thing straight—the U.S. is under zero obligation to tolerate foreign nationals who side with our enemies. Free speech doesn’t mean free residency. The First Amendment protects you from government punishment, not from consequences. If you’re not a citizen and you’re out in the streets screaming for Hamas, you have no business being in this country. Period.  

So spare me the whiny nonsense about “using their voice.” They’ve already made it clear where they stand. And if they stand with terrorists, then they can pack their bags and go live under the regimes they admire so much. America doesn’t need them, doesn’t want them, and shouldn’t tolerate them for one second longer.

seth505 wrote:

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support...

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support Palestine”) or both?

TXDirt wrote:

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”...

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”. It’s a tired, transparent tactic meant to stall and muddy the waters, but it won’t work.  

I’ve been crystal clear. If you’re out there chanting for Hamas, celebrating terrorist attacks, or calling for the extermination of Jews, you don’t belong in this country—period. This isn’t about some vague “support for Palestine.” It’s about people openly siding with terrorists. And if they’re not citizens, they should be immediately deported.  

No amount of fake confusion changes the reality: if you stand with terrorists, you stand against civilization. And if you stand against civilization, you have no place in America. So stop pretending you don’t get it—because everyone else does.

TeamGreen wrote:

So, what happened to the 31 year old “student” that hates Jews? 

TXDirt wrote:

You’re damn right I’m calling it dangerous moral rot—because it is. And if you’re seriously defending people who stand in the streets of America waving terrorist...

You’re damn right I’m calling it dangerous moral rot—because it is. And if you’re seriously defending people who stand in the streets of America waving terrorist flags and chanting in support of groups that butcher civilians, you’re part of the problem.  

This isn’t “just using their voice.” This isn’t “just holding up a sign.” It’s openly aligning with terrorists. It’s giving moral and political cover to groups that kidnap, rape, and execute innocent people. And if you’re too blind, too cowardly, or too brainwashed to admit that, then you’re either a fool or a sympathizer.  

Let’s get one thing straight—the U.S. is under zero obligation to tolerate foreign nationals who side with our enemies. Free speech doesn’t mean free residency. The First Amendment protects you from government punishment, not from consequences. If you’re not a citizen and you’re out in the streets screaming for Hamas, you have no business being in this country. Period.  

So spare me the whiny nonsense about “using their voice.” They’ve already made it clear where they stand. And if they stand with terrorists, then they can pack their bags and go live under the regimes they admire so much. America doesn’t need them, doesn’t want them, and shouldn’t tolerate them for one second longer.

seth505 wrote:

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support...

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support Palestine”) or both?

TXDirt wrote:

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”...

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”. It’s a tired, transparent tactic meant to stall and muddy the waters, but it won’t work.  

I’ve been crystal clear. If you’re out there chanting for Hamas, celebrating terrorist attacks, or calling for the extermination of Jews, you don’t belong in this country—period. This isn’t about some vague “support for Palestine.” It’s about people openly siding with terrorists. And if they’re not citizens, they should be immediately deported.  

No amount of fake confusion changes the reality: if you stand with terrorists, you stand against civilization. And if you stand against civilization, you have no place in America. So stop pretending you don’t get it—because everyone else does.

seth505 wrote:

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support...

Just to be clear, are you condemning people who clearly support terrorism, people who just have a Palestinian flag (or a sign that says “I support Palestine”) or both?

TXDirt wrote:

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”...

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”. It’s a tired, transparent tactic meant to stall and muddy the waters, but it won’t work.  

I’ve been crystal clear. If you’re out there chanting for Hamas, celebrating terrorist attacks, or calling for the extermination of Jews, you don’t belong in this country—period. This isn’t about some vague “support for Palestine.” It’s about people openly siding with terrorists. And if they’re not citizens, they should be immediately deported.  

No amount of fake confusion changes the reality: if you stand with terrorists, you stand against civilization. And if you stand against civilization, you have no place in America. So stop pretending you don’t get it—because everyone else does.

seth505 wrote:

My point is that the constitution is genius and should be abided by. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. The problem I see with policing...

My point is that the constitution is genius and should be abided by. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. 

The problem I see with policing this stuff on morality is that it's subjective.  There is protesting/1st amendment freedoms and then there is conspiring against the US or against a person. The latter should be punished but not free speech.

TXDirt wrote:

You’re throwing out a mess of half-baked arguments to dodge the core issue. The question isn’t whether the U.S. has made mistakes in war. Every nation...

You’re throwing out a mess of half-baked arguments to dodge the core issue. The question isn’t whether the U.S. has made mistakes in war. Every nation has blood on its hands. The question is whether students in America should be allowed to openly support terrorist organizations that target civilians. The answer is no.  

Who designates a terrorist organization? Governments do, based on clear criteria: groups that intentionally attack civilians, use indiscriminate violence, and pursue their goals through terror. Hamas, ISIS, and al-Qaeda fit this description. Israel and Russia, as governments, operate under the laws of war—whether you agree with their actions or not, they aren’t the same as terror groups that deliberately massacre innocents as a strategy.  

You claim America “holds a monopoly on violence.” That’s just edgy, conspiratorial nonsense. Every major power uses force—it’s how the world works. The difference is that America, despite its flaws, isn’t launching suicide bombers into schools or beheading aid workers on video. You want moral clarity? Here it is: Hamas slaughters civilians for ideology. America fights wars. Not the same thing.  

Your rant against religion is irrelevant, but since you went there, it’s lazy generalization. Not every Jew, Christian, or Muslim follows the worst stereotypes you listed. And no, Israel doesn’t get a “break” just because the U.S. backs them. They get a break because they’re not the ones targeting concerts and villages for slaughter.  

At least you acknowledge that these campus protesters are morons, but you can’t have it both ways. If they’re idiots manipulated by state-funded provocateurs, why defend their “right” to chant in favor of terrorists? Expel them. Clean house. The West shouldn’t tolerate useful idiots paving the way for our enemies.

TXDirt wrote:

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”...

Spare me the fake ignorance. You’re not arguing in good faith—you’re just pretending not to understand the difference between “supporting Palestinian civilians” and “openly backing terrorists”. It’s a tired, transparent tactic meant to stall and muddy the waters, but it won’t work.  

I’ve been crystal clear. If you’re out there chanting for Hamas, celebrating terrorist attacks, or calling for the extermination of Jews, you don’t belong in this country—period. This isn’t about some vague “support for Palestine.” It’s about people openly siding with terrorists. And if they’re not citizens, they should be immediately deported.  

No amount of fake confusion changes the reality: if you stand with terrorists, you stand against civilization. And if you stand against civilization, you have no place in America. So stop pretending you don’t get it—because everyone else does.

seth505 wrote:

My point is that the constitution is genius and should be abided by. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. The problem I see with policing...

My point is that the constitution is genius and should be abided by. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. 

The problem I see with policing this stuff on morality is that it's subjective.  There is protesting/1st amendment freedoms and then there is conspiring against the US or against a person. The latter should be punished but not free speech.

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Is blocking roadways, keeping other students from attending classes, callin  for death to Jews and the U.S, etc. considered free speech?

TXDirt wrote:

You’re throwing out a mess of half-baked arguments to dodge the core issue. The question isn’t whether the U.S. has made mistakes in war. Every nation...

You’re throwing out a mess of half-baked arguments to dodge the core issue. The question isn’t whether the U.S. has made mistakes in war. Every nation has blood on its hands. The question is whether students in America should be allowed to openly support terrorist organizations that target civilians. The answer is no.  

Who designates a terrorist organization? Governments do, based on clear criteria: groups that intentionally attack civilians, use indiscriminate violence, and pursue their goals through terror. Hamas, ISIS, and al-Qaeda fit this description. Israel and Russia, as governments, operate under the laws of war—whether you agree with their actions or not, they aren’t the same as terror groups that deliberately massacre innocents as a strategy.  

You claim America “holds a monopoly on violence.” That’s just edgy, conspiratorial nonsense. Every major power uses force—it’s how the world works. The difference is that America, despite its flaws, isn’t launching suicide bombers into schools or beheading aid workers on video. You want moral clarity? Here it is: Hamas slaughters civilians for ideology. America fights wars. Not the same thing.  

Your rant against religion is irrelevant, but since you went there, it’s lazy generalization. Not every Jew, Christian, or Muslim follows the worst stereotypes you listed. And no, Israel doesn’t get a “break” just because the U.S. backs them. They get a break because they’re not the ones targeting concerts and villages for slaughter.  

At least you acknowledge that these campus protesters are morons, but you can’t have it both ways. If they’re idiots manipulated by state-funded provocateurs, why defend their “right” to chant in favor of terrorists? Expel them. Clean house. The West shouldn’t tolerate useful idiots paving the way for our enemies.

cheesehead420 wrote:

The core of the issue is this. I hardly care about, nor do I feel threatened by Hamas, Palestine, Russia, China etc... As an American I feel...

The core of the issue is this. I hardly care about, nor do I feel threatened by Hamas, Palestine, Russia, China etc... 

As an American I feel the biggest threat to my future, my health, and my economic wellbeing is the American government (this may be where we fundamentally disagree). The government of America proves itself to be the biggest threat to me though it’s actions both past and present (we can discuss details in another post if you’d like).

So that being said, I will not ask and most definitely do not want the government to start amending laws to restrict freedom of speech which may be interpreted subjectively and in the future used in a manner detrimental to me. It is a slippery slope! 
This is in regards to American citizens. Non citizens are not entitled to the laws which you and I benefit from and therefore I agree they should absolutely be deported without question or trial. 

When it comes to citizens, this is when we the people need to be more assertive and also be accountable for the society and culture we cultivate. Let common sense and individual discretion prevail. Let these matters be resolved privately and without government intervention. We want smaller government and less interference from them. Do not ask them to step in and act as “Big Brother” to you now, because the pendulum will swing and those laws in the place will hurt you tomorrow. And that is the slippery slope. We the people need to deal with our social issues through common sense and public discourse. 

TXDirt wrote:

Non-citizens cheering for terrorists? Deport them. No trial, no debate. They don’t belong here.  Citizens openly supporting enemies of this country? That’s not “just free speech”—it’s...

Non-citizens cheering for terrorists? Deport them. No trial, no debate. They don’t belong here.  

Citizens openly supporting enemies of this country? That’s not “just free speech”—it’s enemy propaganda. And the U.S. has every right to treat them accordingly. Inciting violence, aiding terrorists, and calling for the destruction of the country you live in isn’t “discourse,” it’s treason.

 We can be against government overreach and against letting traitors hide behind the First Amendment. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. So yeah, smaller government—but not a government so weak it lets its enemies operate in plain sight.

This isn’t about “Big Brother” or some slippery slope. It’s about basic survival. A nation that tolerates enemy sympathizers rotting it from the inside won’t survive. So spare me the hand-wringing. You pick a side—civilization or savagery. And if you pick savagery, don’t be shocked when civilization crushes you.

TXDirt wrote:

Non-citizens cheering for terrorists? Deport them. No trial, no debate. They don’t belong here.  Citizens openly supporting enemies of this country? That’s not “just free speech”—it’s...

Non-citizens cheering for terrorists? Deport them. No trial, no debate. They don’t belong here.  

Citizens openly supporting enemies of this country? That’s not “just free speech”—it’s enemy propaganda. And the U.S. has every right to treat them accordingly. Inciting violence, aiding terrorists, and calling for the destruction of the country you live in isn’t “discourse,” it’s treason.

 We can be against government overreach and against letting traitors hide behind the First Amendment. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. So yeah, smaller government—but not a government so weak it lets its enemies operate in plain sight.

This isn’t about “Big Brother” or some slippery slope. It’s about basic survival. A nation that tolerates enemy sympathizers rotting it from the inside won’t survive. So spare me the hand-wringing. You pick a side—civilization or savagery. And if you pick savagery, don’t be shocked when civilization crushes you.

cheesehead420 wrote:

My last post was very clear and concise and the only possible reason for your disagreement is that you do in fact want the government to...

My last post was very clear and concise and the only possible reason for your disagreement is that you do in fact want the government to restrict freedom of speech. Is that what you want? Because if that is not what you want, then you must agree with me and believe that the only way forward (when dealing with citizens) is through common sense and public discourse. 

Those are your only 2 options, because as of right now the first amendment guarantees citizens the right to disagree with our government.