MXON: POURCEL WILL RIDE FOR FRANCE, but Italy drop Cairoli and Philippaerts !

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8/8/2010 2:49pm
500guy wrote:
No it's because I can catch a lot more fish with the good bait.
wullyc wrote:
so the idea of you posting is just to bam people up? thanks for clearing that up for me and good luck with it.
Truthfully I think the 350 is cool but a disadvantage. I argue it more because of the response I get.

Sure Cairoli wins on it so would RC, Stewart and a few others. That doesn't mean it's an advantage like all the proponents think.
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kardy wrote:
What a huge disappointment it would be to not have those two fast Italians there, but methinks they'll come up with some sort of solution between...
What a huge disappointment it would be to not have those two fast Italians there, but methinks they'll come up with some sort of solution between now and then...

Hey Bulmer, you coming over?
kongols wrote:
Two minutes ago a guy who`s in GP paddoc right now posted that there is a strong rumor that Italian federation and teams got a deal.
mxgeoff wrote:
Of course they will make a deal. Alex from mx-pure always overstates.
I don't think Alex is overstates something ... And no offense but why is your website full of it when it is no big of a deal??

Bye the way I like MX-Pure they aren't a key in the propaganda machine of a well know promoter and they got the courage to write critical articles about some well know promoters but thats everyones own opinion
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8/8/2010 2:54pm
500guy wrote:
No it's because I can catch a lot more fish with the good bait.
wullyc wrote:
so the idea of you posting is just to bam people up? thanks for clearing that up for me and good luck with it.
500guy wrote:
Truthfully I think the 350 is cool but a disadvantage. I argue it more because of the response I get. Sure Cairoli wins on it so...
Truthfully I think the 350 is cool but a disadvantage. I argue it more because of the response I get.

Sure Cairoli wins on it so would RC, Stewart and a few others. That doesn't mean it's an advantage like all the proponents think.
yep i hear what you saying. i dont really think its better than a 450 its just good to see bike makers thinking ouside the box.
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8/8/2010 8:28pm
kongols wrote:
Cairoli is a class act. Here is his week when he came to Baltic states. Saturday, sunday- GP of Latvia, then on wednesday he participated in...
Cairoli is a class act. Here is his week when he came to Baltic states. Saturday, sunday- GP of Latvia, then on wednesday he participated in a race in Tanel Leok`s home town, organized by Leok family and attended by around 40000 spectators, then of to GP of Sweden.
So cool. Build a fence between him and team managers like LarryB and we are all happy campers! Smile

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8/9/2010 10:35am
Read this to day, thought it summed it up pretty good;


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Yamaha Motor Europe and KTM Sport Motorcycles have issued a statement after current World Champion and Tony Cairoli and former World Champion David Philippaerts failed to be selected for the Italian Motocross of Nations team due to a jersey sponsorship dispute with their teams and the Italian Motorcycle Federation.

In the statement both manufacturers were united in their commendation of the federations decision to not select Cairoli or Philippaerts due to the manufacturers wishing to be featured on the Italian team jersey.

"Yamaha Motor Europe and KTM Sport Motorcycles were disappointed to learn of the press release on Saturday 7th August by the Italian Motorcycle Federation (FMI) revealing that Yamaha Monster Energy Motocross Team's David Philippaerts and Red Bull KTM's Tony Cairoli have been unable to be considered for the final selection for the team due to certain conditions to represent their country in the 2010 Motocross of Nations at Thunder Valley in Colorado on September 26th," the statement read.

"After discussions with the Italian Federation, in which Yamaha Motor Europe and KTM Sport Motorcycles were willing and fully open for negotiation regarding representation on the official Italian team jersey, we were disappointed to learn that 2008 MX1-GP World Champion Philippaerts and reigning MX1-GP World Champion Cairoli (presently 3rd and 1st in the 2010 standings respectively) were eliminated from the final short-list.

"We would like to clarify that both riders are available but the condition of FMI that there will be no space allowed at all for the manufacturer or its sponsors on the front of jersey is not acceptable to both Yamaha and KTM.

"The FMI was only prepared to open two tiny spaces on the sleeve of each jersey and despite several efforts from Yamaha and KTM a compromise for a frontal space was not reached. Yamaha and KTM had already accepted for the FMI to decide the base color and to add their own sponsors on the jersey, if not in conflict with existing team partners.

"Discussions of this nature are not unusual for the Motocross of Nations with many riders, teams, brands and companies represented by the three best riders from each country around the globe coming together under one umbrella.

"For virtually all other countries a compromise as proposed by Yamaha and KTM is considered very much acceptable for all parties involved. Other countries allow the riders to use their regular GP clothing without or virtually without any modification.

"Manufacturers and title sponsors/partners finance a whole season of international and national racing activities up to and including the Motocross of Nations; this includes staff, infrastructure, technical support and development, all at considerable cost. In our opinion visible manufacturer and sponsor br anding is a necessary requirement to allow top athletes to continue to represent their teams and importantly shine and bring positive attention for their respective nationalities at the very highest level.
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8/9/2010 11:30am
As much as I love this sport sometimes it is easy to eally hate it.... How in the Fuck can the World Champ not be going to the MXdN over a fuckin logo on a shirt. This is just another example of why the "federation" can sck it....
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8/9/2010 11:30am
As much as I love this sport sometimes it is easy to eally hate it.... How in the Fuck can the World Champ not be going to the MXdN over a fuckin logo on a shirt. This is just another example of why the "federation" can suck it....
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8/9/2010 11:37am
Does AC have relatives from other countries or something? Maybe he can still race for other countries like Osborne, Geiger, and Wilson have?
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8/9/2010 11:39am
Such small potatoes shit... typical MX.

Work it out.
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8/9/2010 8:06pm
Adam43 wrote:
Such small potatoes shit... typical MX.

Work it out.
Agreed.

Its a big loss not having Cairoli. Would the Italians even have a team without those two? I mean, why bother even sending anyone else?

Just make the jersey a flag and put the logos on top so you can read them, but still identify it as an Italian flag...problem solved.
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8/9/2010 9:03pm
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the FIM?

I don't understand why Giuseppe can't invent a way around this.
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cpj36 wrote:
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the...
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the FIM?

I don't understand why Giuseppe can't invent a way around this.
It's not the FIM's business ...it is The Italian Federation that controls Team Italy.

The Italian Federation told Yamaha & KTM that they cannot have their logos on the front of the Italian team jerseys.However,they offered up a small place on the sleeve for DP's Yamaha logo and AC's KTM logo. Yamaha & KTM were like no way....since they are paying for DP & AC to compete at the MXdN.

The Italian Federation is flexing their muscles and probably doing more harm to their country/federation then they are doing good.
It's bullshit if you ask me....
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8/9/2010 9:32pm
Some type of pissing match.....

Wild speculation says that somebody go their feelings hurt. In the end, its motocross that suffers.
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cpj36 wrote:
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the...
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the FIM?

I don't understand why Giuseppe can't invent a way around this.
FastEddy wrote:
It's not the FIM's business ...it is The Italian Federation that controls Team Italy. The Italian Federation told Yamaha & KTM that they cannot have their...
It's not the FIM's business ...it is The Italian Federation that controls Team Italy.

The Italian Federation told Yamaha & KTM that they cannot have their logos on the front of the Italian team jerseys.However,they offered up a small place on the sleeve for DP's Yamaha logo and AC's KTM logo. Yamaha & KTM were like no way....since they are paying for DP & AC to compete at the MXdN.

The Italian Federation is flexing their muscles and probably doing more harm to their country/federation then they are doing good.
It's bullshit if you ask me....
That's the part I don't understand, what do they contribute to the Italian riders that they control anything and why are they needed when the teams pay the bills and the FIM puts on the races?

I'm as confused as I am when having to buy an unlimited Sports and AMA membership.
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8/9/2010 9:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2010 9:45pm
cpj36 wrote:
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the...
What does the FMI do? Do they have anything to do with the GP's or who can enter them? Wouldn't it ultimately be subservient to the FIM?

I don't understand why Giuseppe can't invent a way around this.
FastEddy wrote:
It's not the FIM's business ...it is The Italian Federation that controls Team Italy. The Italian Federation told Yamaha & KTM that they cannot have their...
It's not the FIM's business ...it is The Italian Federation that controls Team Italy.

The Italian Federation told Yamaha & KTM that they cannot have their logos on the front of the Italian team jerseys.However,they offered up a small place on the sleeve for DP's Yamaha logo and AC's KTM logo. Yamaha & KTM were like no way....since they are paying for DP & AC to compete at the MXdN.

The Italian Federation is flexing their muscles and probably doing more harm to their country/federation then they are doing good.
It's bullshit if you ask me....
cpj36 wrote:
That's the part I don't understand, what do they contribute to the Italian riders that they control anything and why are they needed when the teams...
That's the part I don't understand, what do they contribute to the Italian riders that they control anything and why are they needed when the teams pay the bills and the FIM puts on the races?

I'm as confused as I am when having to buy an unlimited Sports and AMA membership.
They are just hard headed...
And their way of thinking from what I can tell is...
These riders are representing their county/federation,they will wear what we tell them and *if their sponsors don't agree ,then Tough merda!
8/10/2010 12:56am
FMI only want to make a trip to see the race taking 30+ people there with the money of italian mxers!!!
They dont care if we dont have the best there!
And it's not that we never had sponsors on the shirt... Fiat supported the team many times.
Since FIAT obviously paid to have his name on the jersey they think tha yamaha and KTM should do the same.

This Year shirt from KTM



France last Year



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8/11/2010 11:45am
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter.
If it`s true then it`s a biggest bullshit of the century.
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8/12/2010 2:23am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2010 2:30am
kongols wrote:
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter. If it`s true then it`s...
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter.
If it`s true then it`s a biggest bullshit of the century.
Yep, it sucks big time!

I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again.
Not to mention seeing how Dungey did against Tony this year.

What a LOSS for motocross fans all around the World!
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8/12/2010 2:42am
Maybe KTM and Yamaha can put something together and let Cairoli and Phillipaerts + a MX2-Guy ride for San Marino or even Vatican City :-)

Don't take this post too serious ;-)
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kongols wrote:
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter. If it`s true then it`s...
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter.
If it`s true then it`s a biggest bullshit of the century.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep, it sucks big time! I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again. Not to mention seeing how Dungey...
Yep, it sucks big time!

I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again.
Not to mention seeing how Dungey did against Tony this year.

What a LOSS for motocross fans all around the World!
Its an absolute disgrace.
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8/12/2010 5:05am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2010 5:06am
kongols wrote:
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter. If it`s true then it`s...
''According to sources in Italy, Cairoli and Philippaerts are definitely NOT riding the MXoN due to that logos-on-jerseys drama.''- from RacerxonlineTwitter.
If it`s true then it`s a biggest bullshit of the century.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep, it sucks big time! I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again. Not to mention seeing how Dungey...
Yep, it sucks big time!

I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again.
Not to mention seeing how Dungey did against Tony this year.

What a LOSS for motocross fans all around the World!
jamma10 wrote:
Its an absolute disgrace.
Fans in Italy should stand up and voice their opinion on such a crazy situation. Some heads should roll.
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FastEddy wrote:
Yep, it sucks big time! I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again. Not to mention seeing how Dungey...
Yep, it sucks big time!

I was really looking forward to seeing Cairoli & Philippaerts on a US track again.
Not to mention seeing how Dungey did against Tony this year.

What a LOSS for motocross fans all around the World!
jamma10 wrote:
Its an absolute disgrace.
kongols wrote:
Fans in Italy should stand up and voice their opinion on such a crazy situation. Some heads should roll.
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self.

Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it
Send there a mail a polite mail and say them there are a disgrace for the sport!
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MXMattii wrote:
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self. Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it...
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self.

Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it
Send there a mail a polite mail and say them there are a disgrace for the sport!
Done!
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MXMattii wrote:
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self. Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it...
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self.

Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it
Send there a mail a polite mail and say them there are a disgrace for the sport!
kongols wrote:
Done!
Done 2!
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8/12/2010 8:33am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2010 8:37am
MXMattii wrote:
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self. Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it...
Not Only the Italian Fans if you wanna chance something you need to start with your self.

Everyone here do you got a EMAIL : info@federmoto.it
Send there a mail a polite mail and say them there are a disgrace for the sport!
Sent....

I basically told them it was an insult and a slap in the face to fans all over the world and they should really rethink what they doing...


It would be cool if everyone reading this dropped them a mail.
Who knows....they may rethink their selves.
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8/12/2010 1:34pm
Yeah, this is a bunch of crap. Those guys deserve to be there. Those guys won't have anything for team USA but they make it interesting, especially with the hype over who will be fastest in MX1. In the end this really hurts the MXDN. All this over a stupid logo, how petty can people be? Someone really needs to set these morons straight.
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8/12/2010 3:12pm
sounds like there are a bunch of canadians running the italian federation ...
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Yeah, this is a bunch of crap. Those guys deserve to be there. Those guys won't have anything for team USA but they make it interesting...
Yeah, this is a bunch of crap. Those guys deserve to be there. Those guys won't have anything for team USA but they make it interesting, especially with the hype over who will be fastest in MX1. In the end this really hurts the MXDN. All this over a stupid logo, how petty can people be? Someone really needs to set these morons straight.
And that would be us! We are die hard fans! We eat, Breath and Shit Motocross ...
Even if we have sex we think about Motocross we are die hards and we need to put those bureaucrats straight! And not only the Italian federation but KTM/Yamaha all those gigantic pocket filling companies need to realize that when we puke them out they are done!

Sooh! Let Cairoli and Phillipearts ride! Bloody ITALIAN AND BUREAUCRATIC IDIOTS!

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