The Ukraine is in a tight spot

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If you guys think that the country who invaded the other and has support from Iran and North Korea are the good guys then really there’s...

If you guys think that the country who invaded the other and has support from Iran and North Korea are the good guys then really there’s no debate to be had.

It's a very childish notion to try and frame this as good guys versus bad guys. 

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It is worrying that the ten maybe even hundred thousands of lives that got lost in the wars to prevent the Russian involvement (Asian wars, Gulf...

It is worrying that the ten maybe even hundred thousands of lives that got lost in the wars to prevent the Russian involvement (Asian wars, Gulf War 1...) all gets thrown away because Trump is a fan from the Russian man and his followers defend what Trump says. It is indeed childish to frame this as a good and bad battle it is more like a cult. You can also ask yourself if he understands the Geo-politician game. If he goes "in bed" with Russia or Putin, you can't keep bashing China. Because that is an ally of Russia and they won't let Trump walk if he keeps them smothering with taxes and his "they are our economic enemy" story. This makes it a very interesting story. Will President Trump, the leader from a country that is so liberal and open market focused that, they called Barack Obama a communist and socialist for his effort in realizing affordable medical care, go to bed with Russia and China. Both countries can hardly be called communist, but they do not have a free market. Russia still bears most resemblance to the old communism, although it is in fact just a right-wing oriented dictatorship where residents have no say and are poorly paid by mostly state-owned companies. The Chinese government in turn has a stake in every Chinese multinational and foreign companies can only start working in China if they have found a Chinese partner company.

Trump calls Reagan the best President ever, but he's shitting on his legacy. because On the world stage, he escalated the arms race, increased military spending, transitioned Cold War policy away from the policies of chillax with the Soviet Union. But team Orange, wants to be bro's with Putin and while we all look at Israel and Ukrain is China and Russia gaining more and more influence in Africa, and South America. If it isn't with the smart BRICS alliance than with mercenaries who fight for the more interesting country who owns the sources of nature as cobalt, copper, tin, ... 

If they are mostly state owned companies in Russia, then it is not right wing. 

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USA joining NK and Russia in voting at the UN.

That's messed up.

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Thugs dividing up the global neighborhood.  This what you voted for MAGA?

 

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MXMattii wrote:
It is worrying that the ten maybe even hundred thousands of lives that got lost in the wars to prevent the Russian involvement (Asian wars, Gulf...

It is worrying that the ten maybe even hundred thousands of lives that got lost in the wars to prevent the Russian involvement (Asian wars, Gulf War 1...) all gets thrown away because Trump is a fan from the Russian man and his followers defend what Trump says. It is indeed childish to frame this as a good and bad battle it is more like a cult. You can also ask yourself if he understands the Geo-politician game. If he goes "in bed" with Russia or Putin, you can't keep bashing China. Because that is an ally of Russia and they won't let Trump walk if he keeps them smothering with taxes and his "they are our economic enemy" story. This makes it a very interesting story. Will President Trump, the leader from a country that is so liberal and open market focused that, they called Barack Obama a communist and socialist for his effort in realizing affordable medical care, go to bed with Russia and China. Both countries can hardly be called communist, but they do not have a free market. Russia still bears most resemblance to the old communism, although it is in fact just a right-wing oriented dictatorship where residents have no say and are poorly paid by mostly state-owned companies. The Chinese government in turn has a stake in every Chinese multinational and foreign companies can only start working in China if they have found a Chinese partner company.

Trump calls Reagan the best President ever, but he's shitting on his legacy. because On the world stage, he escalated the arms race, increased military spending, transitioned Cold War policy away from the policies of chillax with the Soviet Union. But team Orange, wants to be bro's with Putin and while we all look at Israel and Ukrain is China and Russia gaining more and more influence in Africa, and South America. If it isn't with the smart BRICS alliance than with mercenaries who fight for the more interesting country who owns the sources of nature as cobalt, copper, tin, ... 

MAGA the cult cannot think for themselves.  Brainwashed by Trump and Musk, they are an embarrassment to Americans.  Make America Great Again should be renamed MRGA.   Embarrassing.    This Ukraine thing will cost the republicans at the mid terms, they're screwed.  But alteast Trump will have made his thug Russian buddy happy.

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After the Ukraine war started, the US, Europe and many other countries sanctioned the shit out of Russia and brought their economy to its knees.  Without ONE SINGLE AMERICAN TROOP INVOLVED, Ukraine, with the help of US and European military aid, has held back the Russian Army and allowed them to take only 20% of Ukraine's territory.  IN 3 YEARS!    Russia thought they'd be in Kyiv within a few days.

And Trump is going to throw all of that away.   Pretty amazing when you think about it from that standpoint.   This will be his downfall, and his lasting legacy.  LOSING TO THE RUSSIANS.
 

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After the Ukraine war started, the US, Europe and many other countries sanctioned the shit out of Russia and brought their economy to its knees.  Without...

After the Ukraine war started, the US, Europe and many other countries sanctioned the shit out of Russia and brought their economy to its knees.  Without ONE SINGLE AMERICAN TROOP INVOLVED, Ukraine, with the help of US and European military aid, has held back the Russian Army and allowed them to take only 20% of Ukraine's territory.  IN 3 YEARS!    Russia thought they'd be in Kyiv within a few days.

And Trump is going to throw all of that away.   Pretty amazing when you think about it from that standpoint.   This will be his downfall, and his lasting legacy.  LOSING TO THE RUSSIANS.
 

And how many Ukrainian and Russian lives have been lost for a war that the US greatly contributed to starting, which could have been avoided diplomatically?

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There was no avoiding it diplomatically. Putin had a dream of destiny, and there was no stopping it. But Ukraine has done a remarkable job fending them off as much as they have.

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There was no avoiding it diplomatically. Putin had a dream of destiny, and there was no stopping it. But Ukraine has done a remarkable job fending...

There was no avoiding it diplomatically. Putin had a dream of destiny, and there was no stopping it. But Ukraine has done a remarkable job fending them off as much as they have.

I think you are missing a great deal of information. It certainly could have been avoided diplomatically. 

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And how many Ukrainian and Russian lives have been lost for a war that the US greatly contributed to starting, which could have been avoided diplomatically?

Did you see on the official MAGA store that you can trade in your MAGA hat and get a MRGA, MNKGA and MBGA hat free of charge?  3 for 1 deal!   You full on retard but too stupid to realize it.

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Did you see on the official MAGA store that you can trade in your MAGA hat and get a MRGA, MNKGA and MBGA hat free of...

Did you see on the official MAGA store that you can trade in your MAGA hat and get a MRGA, MNKGA and MBGA hat free of charge?  3 for 1 deal!   You full on retard but too stupid to realize it.

You know what you are? Besides a poster boy for TDS, I mean.

A thread killer. 

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2/25/2025 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2025 4:24pm

You know what you are? Besides a poster boy for TDS, I mean.

A thread killer. 

Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees with you can chime in.

And yes, I throw out insults, I call you stupid and naive.  But don't you guys like this type of thing?  Your president does it all the time.  He's a bully and talks shit on everyone.  But when I talk shit about you, you get offended.  I'm just doing what your president does.

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Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees...

Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees with you can chime in.

And yes, I throw out insults, I call you stupid and naive.  But don't you guys like this type of thing?  Your president does it all the time.  He's a bully and talks shit on everyone.  But when I talk shit about you, you get offended.  I'm just doing what your president does.

‘Chime in’? Lmao Is that how you’d describe what you’ve been doing?

You respond to yourself two to three times in every thread. You’ve got issues, dude. And I bet they are hard to pronounce.

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And how many Ukrainian and Russian lives have been lost for a war that the US greatly contributed to starting, which could have been avoided diplomatically?

Did you see on the official MAGA store that you can trade in your MAGA hat and get a MRGA, MNKGA and MBGA hat free of...

Did you see on the official MAGA store that you can trade in your MAGA hat and get a MRGA, MNKGA and MBGA hat free of charge?  3 for 1 deal!   You full on retard but too stupid to realize it.

So no counterargument eh? I'm not surprised.

MAGA hat? I don't have one, or anything else that says MAGA. You just have an inbred hatred of Trump it seems. 

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You know what you are? Besides a poster boy for TDS, I mean.

A thread killer. 

Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees...

Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees with you can chime in.

And yes, I throw out insults, I call you stupid and naive.  But don't you guys like this type of thing?  Your president does it all the time.  He's a bully and talks shit on everyone.  But when I talk shit about you, you get offended.  I'm just doing what your president does.

If you are going to insist you are doing what President Trump does, could you pitch in and deport a few illegal immigrants too? Maybe go down to your local government office and start an audit? That'd be great!

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2/26/2025 6:20am Edited Date/Time 2/26/2025 6:20am

A good watch

 

 

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If you are going to insist you are doing what President Trump does, could you pitch in and deport a few illegal immigrants too? Maybe go...

If you are going to insist you are doing what President Trump does, could you pitch in and deport a few illegal immigrants too? Maybe go down to your local government office and start an audit? That'd be great!

While I'm completely for deporting illegals, especially those that commit crimes.  Let's not forget our presidents view not so long ago.  I guess if he's benefiting from them, the illegals are OK ;-)

From 2019...

"the Trump Organization currently employs a “roving crew of Latin American employees” to perform masonry and maintenance work at his winery and various golf clubs around the country. For almost two decades, the group has been comprised of workers who came into the US illegally—the penalty for which the president seemingly believes should be death—according to two former crew members. Another one, who still works for Trump, told reporters Joshua Partlow and David A. Fahrenthold that remains the case today. President Trump “doesn’t want undocumented people in the country,” said Jorge Castro, an Ecuadorian immigrant without legal status who left the company last spring after nine years. “But at his properties, he still has them.” He added: “If you’re a good worker, papers don’t matter.”

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Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees...

Thread killer LOL.   This isn't X or Truth Social where everybody agrees with you and your moronic opinions.  Atleast on here, somebody who strongly disagrees with you can chime in.

And yes, I throw out insults, I call you stupid and naive.  But don't you guys like this type of thing?  Your president does it all the time.  He's a bully and talks shit on everyone.  But when I talk shit about you, you get offended.  I'm just doing what your president does.

Hi Dave!

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2/28/2025 10:03am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2025 10:11am

Oh my - listen to this . Trump  tells Zel that he is gambling with WW3. JD doesnt seem to be happy with Zel either. Quite the argument.  "What if? What if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head?" -DJT  lol

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2/28/2025 10:17am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2025 10:32am

Here's another shorter clip of it ...  Also seen one news outlet reporting that ": President Trump cancels Ukraine deal after TENSE Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting".

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Here's another shorter clip of it ...  Also seen one news outlet reporting that ": President Trump cancels Ukraine deal after TENSE Zelenskyy Oval Office Meeting".

Wow!

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As I said before. USA is out. USA and Russia will try to split the world. Knives in all our backs.

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I would not be surprised to see Zelensky killed. Lots of money on a line.

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USA isn't "out", just negotiation tactics and putting Z in his place.

Beggars don't get the luxury of dictating terms. 

But that was pretty wild to watch live. 

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USA isn't "out", just negotiation tactics and putting Z in his place.

Beggars don't get the luxury of dictating terms. 

But that was pretty wild to watch live. 

BS. Trump was looking for a way out and he found it by trying to humiliate Zelensky. Mineral deal won`t happen and USA will get closer to Russia. All russian war telegram channels are cheering for USA to stop supplying or even selling weapons to Ukraine. Lots and lots of people will die because of what happened today. Trump is out of touch.   

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“Total bully tactics by the US president and VP. This is not diplomacy. This is not neutrality. This is siding with the aggressor and trying to finish off the victim,”

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Usa is no longer friend to Europe or it historical friends. Trump sides with Putin to have a chance in case of war with China. Ukraine and it`s people are nothing to him.

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AZ35 wrote:

USA isn't "out", just negotiation tactics and putting Z in his place.

Beggars don't get the luxury of dictating terms. 

But that was pretty wild to watch live. 

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BS. Trump was looking for a way out and he found it by trying to humiliate Zelensky. Mineral deal won`t happen and USA will get closer...

BS. Trump was looking for a way out and he found it by trying to humiliate Zelensky. Mineral deal won`t happen and USA will get closer to Russia. All russian war telegram channels are cheering for USA to stop supplying or even selling weapons to Ukraine. Lots and lots of people will die because of what happened today. Trump is out of touch.   

I understand you have a different perspective, and think it is incredible what you personally have done to help the Ukrainian people.

But let's see how this plays out, I don't think Trump's "plan" is to split the world between the USA and Russia. Or get more people killed. I think his plan is just the opposite, end the killing and end the war. 

But he is going to end it on terms favorable to the Country facilitating the deal, not the Countries that are in a losing war (for both Ukraine and Russia).

I hope I am right, and you are wrong, after it all plays out- just because we all want this to end.

If I am wrong, I will be the first one in here to acknowledge I was wrong if Trump fucks it all up.

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kongols wrote:
BS. Trump was looking for a way out and he found it by trying to humiliate Zelensky. Mineral deal won`t happen and USA will get closer...

BS. Trump was looking for a way out and he found it by trying to humiliate Zelensky. Mineral deal won`t happen and USA will get closer to Russia. All russian war telegram channels are cheering for USA to stop supplying or even selling weapons to Ukraine. Lots and lots of people will die because of what happened today. Trump is out of touch.   

With all due respect bud I watched the clip and it looks like Zelensky is the one trying to back out by being so disrespectful he make  Trump nuke the deal first.

I could argue that by not ending the war Zelensky is the one who gains the most financially by grifting the war slush funds that even he has admitted he can't account for half of ...

 

Come on man stop believing the news that USA is pro Putin.

We are not but we ARE tired of paying for yet another endless war that seemingly has little oversight or accountability 

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Trump haters step back and take deep breaths please. The man could cure cancer and you'ld find a negative in it. I think we can all agree the wasteful bloodshed, destruction, and spending are bad and must stop now. Trump is trying to end that, Biden was trying to continue it, nobody can argue that either. Hypothetically if Ukraine has to cede some land to save lives, and if they have to pay back the USA, isn't it worth it to stop the destruction? It's Ukranian land anyway, it's not like it is downtown Naples, it is virtually worth something only to Russia and Ukraine. It's not like Warren Buffett was trying to invest there before the war.

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