Cooksey & GL got me thinking

2/13/2025 12:35pm
I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find...

I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find out that he a Canadian tried to sue Yamaha for working him to much. 

LungButter wrote:

Did this really happen?

And now Yamaha is his biggest sponsor?

Really?

I’ve seen this thrown around for weeks now yet no one has produced any actual proof. 

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2/13/2025 12:51pm
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I'm sure this is going to get downvoted to hell, but fuck it. Motocross is filled with very incompetent people. The agents, media members, former racers now...

I'm sure this is going to get downvoted to hell, but fuck it. 

Motocross is filled with very incompetent people. The agents, media members, former racers now running industry companies, lower rung race teams...it's extremely bush league. 

The industry is very lucky that their fan group is so dedicated to the sport because the fans suffer through a lot. The broadcast and RDL has improved greatly, but we suffered for a long time there. Press conferences are unbearable. The podcasts are hard to listen to at times. The YouTube channels are out of control. The normal practice from teams and riders is to withhold information about the bikes and riders. 

The fan that has been glued to this sport since they were a child doesn't really have a place to go that isn't full of BS. This site is the best spot to discuss the sport with like-minded people, but it brings out a lot of shitty banter. You have to sort through a lot of BS to get to fruitful discussion. 

I've learned to take it all for what it is. I enjoy the racing as the riders and bikes just keep getting more badass, but I don't put any weight into podium interviews, social media posts, interviews, etc. It could be easy to get hung up on what Deegan says and form an opinion on him, but it's a lot more entertaining to watch it all play out for entertainment value. The riders and industry folks are put on too much of a pedestal. 

If you can emotionally detach from it all and take it for what it is, it's pretty damn entertaining to watch the insanity play out. A lot of the notable figures in the sport are basically South Park characters. 

USA wrote:

Well said, I agree with most everything except the diagnosis. Funny how your post ended up like a self fulfilling prophecy lol

Edited my Kooksey thoughts out.

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2/13/2025 1:16pm
thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. 

Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his claims? 

Of course, I support any argument that states the 'moto media' is entirely captured by the commercial elements of the sport and has close to zero objectivity...and is essentially one big long brodown mutual blowing session. 

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2/13/2025 1:28pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2025 1:34pm
Herr Lich wrote:
In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his...

In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. 

Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his claims? 

Of course, I support any argument that states the 'moto media' is entirely captured by the commercial elements of the sport and has close to zero objectivity...and is essentially one big long brodown mutual blowing session. 

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

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2/13/2025 1:28pm
I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find...

I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find out that he a Canadian tried to sue Yamaha for working him to much. 

LungButter wrote:

Did this really happen?

And now Yamaha is his biggest sponsor?

Really?

Rickyisms wrote:

I’ve seen this thrown around for weeks now yet no one has produced any actual proof. 

I think people are just running with it because it makes them happy inside, same feeling as when pulp picks up another free Yamaha to ride!

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2/13/2025 1:41pm
Herr Lich wrote:
In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his...

In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. 

Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his claims? 

Of course, I support any argument that states the 'moto media' is entirely captured by the commercial elements of the sport and has close to zero objectivity...and is essentially one big long brodown mutual blowing session. 

Kyle978 wrote:
Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

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2/13/2025 1:44pm
Kyle978 wrote:
Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

Are you retarded or a troll?

He’s both. 

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Herr Lich wrote:
In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his...

In what way is GL a legend? Surely not as a rider. 

Apart from his opinions does Grant 'tinfoil' Langston have any proof to back up his claims? 

Of course, I support any argument that states the 'moto media' is entirely captured by the commercial elements of the sport and has close to zero objectivity...and is essentially one big long brodown mutual blowing session. 

Kyle978 wrote:
Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

Herr Lich wrote:
Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

Good to know that winning every major championship available in motocross  (something nobody you listed has come close to) doesn't mean shit. Lol, sometimes I forget that you're just a misunderstood person.

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2/13/2025 1:55pm
Herr Lich wrote:
Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

Weird way to say you're retarded. 

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2/13/2025 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2025 1:57pm

just started the pod. he's going pretty hard. truth's prob somewhere in the middle, e.g., i DO believe DC in that they were willing to work out a solution to keep GL on the broadcast team during the Fauci years, though i don't blame GL for being a little DGAF at the pomp & circumstance of it all. all industries have it, it's probably not as bad in this one as in others, and i'd take a little "incompetence" over the pride, disloyalty and egotism in, say, the tech industry. but GL is a dirt bike racer that grew up in SA. he's entitled to his perspective and the sport is better off with people like him telling it like it is. the mass majority torched Socrates, but who do we remember today?

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just started the pod. he's going pretty hard. truth's prob somewhere in the middle, e.g., i DO believe DC in that they were willing to work...

just started the pod. he's going pretty hard. truth's prob somewhere in the middle, e.g., i DO believe DC in that they were willing to work out a solution to keep GL on the broadcast team during the Fauci years, though i don't blame GL for being a little DGAF at the pomp & circumstance of it all. all industries have it, it's probably not as bad in this one as in others, and i'd take a little "incompetence" over the pride, disloyalty and egotism in, say, the tech industry. but GL is a dirt bike racer that grew up in SA. he's entitled to his perspective and the sport is better off with people like him telling it like it is. the mass majority torched Socrates, but who do we remember today?

agreed and is similar to my post. GL just agreed with all of Cooksey's "tinfoil" takes he's had over the years. So do we hate GL now, too? Or just Cooksey? Or I dunno, I'm confused.

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2/13/2025 2:28pm
thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

*** key word- His Truth…. 

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2/13/2025 2:37pm
thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

*** key word- His Truth…. 

yeah. and GL just agreed with him on literally everything. So my question remains "Do we now hate GL, too? Or are we just staying with Cooksey?"

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2/13/2025 2:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2025 2:41pm
thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

*** key word- His Truth…. 

yeah. and GL just agreed with him on literally everything. So my question remains "Do we now hate GL, too? Or are we just staying with...

yeah. and GL just agreed with him on literally everything. So my question remains "Do we now hate GL, too? Or are we just staying with Cooksey?"

it's human nature to look at the speaker rather than what's spoken. it's a hard habit to break. hence the socrates reference. people are weird. 

 

FWIW so far GL sounds very even handed.

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Paging @FastEddy  ....he may be able to shed some light here. 😉

FastEddy wrote:

Don M isn't Donn Maeda/swap.  Donn always posted under @swap and his brother Ross always used his full name on here Ross Maeda.

Yes....but I was referring to this guy...  🤣

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2/13/2025 3:39pm
Magoofan wrote:

I'd listen to GL all day....

 Gypsy "fuk the privateers" Tales.... hard pass.

 

At this point. Everyone that’s talking about lapper penalties and dq’s is also saying “fuck the privateers.”

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Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

971_Fan wrote:

Are you retarded or a troll?

He’s both. 

Hey, you've popped up from Brian's basement to join the chat!  Don't forget to moisturize his tramp stamp...

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Kyle978 wrote:
Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

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Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

USA wrote:
Good to know that winning every major championship available in motocross  (something nobody you listed has come close to) doesn't mean shit. Lol, sometimes I forget...

Good to know that winning every major championship available in motocross  (something nobody you listed has come close to) doesn't mean shit. Lol, sometimes I forget that you're just a misunderstood person.

Again...we have a different idea of what constitutes a legend. 

In terms of Langston.  2003 - James Stewart was injured in SX and didn't return to MX until round 5 - at which point he won every single race going forward.  Langston won because the real legend wasn't in almost half the races.  Same thing when Langston won the 2007 450 MX championship. 

As with my earlier reply, if you think Grant Langston is even remotely in the same league as the riders I listed, we have to agree to disagree. 

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I'd listen to GL all day....

 Gypsy "fuk the privateers" Tales.... hard pass.

 

At this point. Everyone that’s talking about lapper penalties and dq’s is also saying “fuck the privateers.”

...and I've been vocal about saying piss on that too.      Lappers are part of the chess game.   One rare incident and people shit themselves over it.       

Perhaps lappers need to be following the flags better....but for people to want them removed once lapped or not be allowed to race at all.    Total bullshit. 

 

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Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

971_Fan wrote:

Are you retarded or a troll?

He’s both. 

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I just love it that Cocksey is not allowed to attend any superdupermotocross races 😂 

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Magoofan wrote:

I'd listen to GL all day....

 Gypsy "fuk the privateers" Tales.... hard pass.

 

At this point. Everyone that’s talking about lapper penalties and dq’s is also saying “fuck the privateers.”

Magoofan wrote:
...and I've been vocal about saying piss on that too.      Lappers are part of the chess game.   One rare incident and people shit...

...and I've been vocal about saying piss on that too.      Lappers are part of the chess game.   One rare incident and people shit themselves over it.       

Perhaps lappers need to be following the flags better....but for people to want them removed once lapped or not be allowed to race at all.    Total bullshit. 

 

This. Look at WEC and IMSA. multiclass racing IS the game. Prototypes dodging GT3s is baked into the cake. KROC deserves more blame than he's really getting for this deal launching it into a lapper like that.  

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Love it when people make stupid posts and then delete them right after posting….Where did you go KlockreN?

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Love it when people make stupid posts and then delete them right after posting….Where did you go KlockreN?

I try to keep myself from posting when I've had a drink. But yes you got me. I said everyone with a braincell knows that cooksey is cooked and that you always try to defend multi millionaires on here when they get some flak. The white knight of vital.

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2/13/2025 6:08pm
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"Cooksey got me thinking".  Hello, flat earther

There are literal flat earth truthers who post here lmao. 

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"But, what if you're wrong?"

-Rutledge Wood

But what if you’re wrong Mav? Oh wait that’s right you never are!!!

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Love it when people make stupid posts and then delete them right after posting….Where did you go KlockreN?

KlockreN wrote:
I try to keep myself from posting when I've had a drink. But yes you got me. I said everyone with a braincell knows that cooksey...

I try to keep myself from posting when I've had a drink. But yes you got me. I said everyone with a braincell knows that cooksey is cooked and that you always try to defend multi millionaires on here when they get some flak. The white knight of vital.

What does ones net worth have to do with being right or wrong?

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But what if you’re wrong Mav? Oh wait that’s right you never are!!!

Wrong. 

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i didn't know DonM was Swap either. i thought he was low-T geriatric in his 80s given how crotchety alot of his retorts are. definitely does...

i didn't know DonM was Swap either. i thought he was low-T geriatric in his 80s given how crotchety alot of his retorts are. definitely does not give off cool guy industry bro vibes; at least it doesn't come across that way on the forum to me. sorry swap...

 

edit: nvm i guess he's not swap? that makes more sense. who is DonM and is he buds with jodi weisel?

Would you believe it if I told you DonM's first name isn't really even Don

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2/13/2025 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2025 8:26pm

At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even if Matthes wasn't, he's just a wet paper bag... His opinion would still suck. I hate that this interview came from cooksie because he's such a tool… But man it's refreshing to see a non-biased opinion like DV gives. Ricky Carmichael must be the most hugest sellout in the history of the sport. Look what he did on the track… Pure savage. Now in the announcers booth, look what he knows. Look what he could say, but doesn't ...but he's just a corporate robot fool  that can barely speak the language. It sucks that he's in there. #coward. If there was a God, there would be Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair in the booth today. It may even be as good as the racing. Which is really fucking great these days.

Ps. I listen to pulp every week. I love the sport. It's great that it's out there because of Matthes. He's the only guy that can get those people on there. I appreciate that. It's still...barf...

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