The PC curse continues..

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Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

Of they need to rework their comp structure. Aren't they all bonus pretty much? Offer a bit more base and some more security and the riders might be more comfortable bringing it home in 4th instead of going balls out for one more spot. 

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

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2/3/2025 10:11am
MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

Who would you change? 

2/3/2025 10:13am
MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

JazzyJJ wrote:
Of they need to rework their comp structure. Aren't they all bonus pretty much? Offer a bit more base and some more security and the riders...

Of they need to rework their comp structure. Aren't they all bonus pretty much? Offer a bit more base and some more security and the riders might be more comfortable bringing it home in 4th instead of going balls out for one more spot. 

That’s motto changed a long time ago when he couldn’t get the riders he wanted. He offered Jeremy Martin a nice amount of money, but he chose Star. 

 His top guys make in the neighborhood of 300k. 

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent Ryder D before him) and how hard it was and how long it took for him to get a pro contract with PC. They lost two big names to Star this off-season. Landen Gordon is the next one up, I'm guessing they won't be able to find a spot for him next year but instead will sign someone like Mosiman.  

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UpTiTe wrote:

Who would you change? 

If I was Mitch I’d pay Daniel Blair whatever it took to be his talent acquisition. 

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

"Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike"

Like who?

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I’m sure Mitch has learned how to operate within the curse. Keep on truckin’.

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how he would like.

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burn1986 wrote:

I’m sure Mitch has learned how to operate within the curse. Keep on truckin’.

How has that been working for them lately? Won a bunch of titles?

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MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

Mitch has given an opportunity to nearly every highly thought of team green rider in recent memory. 
In my opinion the biggest issue they have is developing the riders once they are in the program. 

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JazzyJJ wrote:

How has that been working for them lately? Won a bunch of titles?

Well, I mean, what can he do? All he can do is press forward, curse or not.

2/3/2025 1:02pm
MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

soggy wrote:
Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how...

Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how he would like.

Pulpmx has given off the impression that Kawi has the final say, not PC.

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GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

soggy wrote:
Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how...

Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how he would like.

Pulpmx has given off the impression that Kawi has the final say, not PC.

Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached (or run off by DEEGS) and doesn't count. 

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2/3/2025 1:09pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2025 1:09pm
MX Guy wrote:
Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is...

Mitch needs to hand over his talent acquisition responsibility. It’s a hard truth no one wants to hear, but it is currently not working. He is not signing the right guys, or not signing guys for the right reasons. 

GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

soggy wrote:
Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how...

Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how he would like.

I've heard it referenced here and there, don't really remember exactly where. There was an agent that claims to have negotiated a couple of contracts with them that also confirmed it on here a while back. Mitch obviously has input and KMC will go along as long as the rider checks their boxes, but if there is a conflict KMC has final say.

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Curses are meant to be broken. The biggest curse in sports is the Curse of the Bambino, when the Red Socks traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees after the 1918 season.  The Yankees won 26 World Series after the trade while the Red Socks did not win again until 86 years later in 2004.

Not sure there was a defining event that can point to the PC curse, but it will be broken. Who is going to join the likes of great PC riders that have won either a SX Regional Championship or National Championship and it some cases both. Riders like Carmichael, Brown, Stewart, Pichon, Langston, Townly. Pourcel, Tedesco, Villopoto, Wilson, Baggett, and Ciancirulo. 

Its not the bike, the bike is well capable of pulling holeshots and winning mains and moto's. Will it be Levi? Time will tell. 

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Australian Kawa rider Luke Clout is the guy to replace either 250 or 450 riders.

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GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

soggy wrote:
Mitch has given an opportunity to nearly every highly thought of team green rider in recent memory. In my opinion the biggest issue they have is developing...

Mitch has given an opportunity to nearly every highly thought of team green rider in recent memory. 
In my opinion the biggest issue they have is developing the riders once they are in the program. 

Tell that to Ryder. 

But I’m curious, who has he brought up recently besides Drew Adams who he was forced to? 

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2/3/2025 6:45pm
GrapeApe wrote:

Sounds like Kawasaki is making the calls on riders more so than Mitch. He has to be frustrated.

 

UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

GrapeApe wrote:
Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent...

Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent Ryder D before him) and how hard it was and how long it took for him to get a pro contract with PC. They lost two big names to Star this off-season. Landen Gordon is the next one up, I'm guessing they won't be able to find a spot for him next year but instead will sign someone like Mosiman.  

Gordon is far from a can’t miss prospect. He might turn out great but he doesn’t dominate very often at the amateur level. Great rider? Of course but I’d be very surprised if he ends up on a factory team. I see him at a club or aeo level team. 

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Rumor is Mcadoo tore his acl..anybody hear that one? 


If true, I can almost guarantee he goes racing with no acl for a while, similar to hymas. 

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Wonder how long until Cole Davies outgrows that very busy blue truck 😏

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UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

GrapeApe wrote:
Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent...

Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent Ryder D before him) and how hard it was and how long it took for him to get a pro contract with PC. They lost two big names to Star this off-season. Landen Gordon is the next one up, I'm guessing they won't be able to find a spot for him next year but instead will sign someone like Mosiman.  

Gordon is far from a can’t miss prospect. He might turn out great but he doesn’t dominate very often at the amateur level. Great rider? Of...

Gordon is far from a can’t miss prospect. He might turn out great but he doesn’t dominate very often at the amateur level. Great rider? Of course but I’d be very surprised if he ends up on a factory team. I see him at a club or aeo level team. 

Yeah nobody said he is can't miss, and that's beside the point. He could win all of the SMX next races indoor and out and sweep the motos at LL's and Kawi would be more likely to bring Martin Davalos out of retirement than sign him to a pro contract. 

2/4/2025 8:39am
GrapeApe wrote:
Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent...

Team Green has been killing it, they dominated the A and B classes last year. But these families see Drew Adams (and to a lesser extent Ryder D before him) and how hard it was and how long it took for him to get a pro contract with PC. They lost two big names to Star this off-season. Landen Gordon is the next one up, I'm guessing they won't be able to find a spot for him next year but instead will sign someone like Mosiman.  

Gordon is far from a can’t miss prospect. He might turn out great but he doesn’t dominate very often at the amateur level. Great rider? Of...

Gordon is far from a can’t miss prospect. He might turn out great but he doesn’t dominate very often at the amateur level. Great rider? Of course but I’d be very surprised if he ends up on a factory team. I see him at a club or aeo level team. 

GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah nobody said he is can't miss, and that's beside the point. He could win all of the SMX next races indoor and out and sweep...

Yeah nobody said he is can't miss, and that's beside the point. He could win all of the SMX next races indoor and out and sweep the motos at LL's and Kawi would be more likely to bring Martin Davalos out of retirement than sign him to a pro contract. 

Yea I didn’t say anyone said it

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UpTiTe wrote:
No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. Most of the guys...

No, but they do want him to start going after older riders who can win. 

Kawasaki has always told him to hire certain riders. 

Most of the guys on the team right now are all Mitch’s pick. 

 I think the biggest problem now is that he doesn’t have the huge pool of team Green riders to choose from like he did 10-15 years ago. 

Nor does he have the best bike right now. Riders are going to star for less money to get on that bike. 

soggy wrote:
Mitch has given an opportunity to nearly every highly thought of team green rider in recent memory. In my opinion the biggest issue they have is developing...

Mitch has given an opportunity to nearly every highly thought of team green rider in recent memory. 
In my opinion the biggest issue they have is developing the riders once they are in the program. 

UpTiTe wrote:

Tell that to Ryder. 

But I’m curious, who has he brought up recently besides Drew Adams who he was forced to? 

That’s why I said nearly Wink

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Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how...

Where are you getting this impression from?  I do know they are signing the checks but I’m guessing they give Mitch a budget to spend how he would like.

Pulpmx has given off the impression that Kawi has the final say, not PC.

Tyler D wrote:
Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached...

Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached (or run off by DEEGS) and doesn't count. 

Name a team that has a viable pipeline?

Yamaha - Justin Cooper is the only guy that has somewhat successfully moved up under there program

KTM / husky/ GG no one is a lock to be a 450 superstar under their tent

Honda - they probably don’t need a 450 rider for 2-3 years but is hymas or Shimoda a lock? 

Triumph - Forkner, Jordon smith are not exactly shoe ins. 
 

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Pulpmx has given off the impression that Kawi has the final say, not PC.

Tyler D wrote:
Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached...

Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached (or run off by DEEGS) and doesn't count. 

soggy wrote:
Name a team that has a viable pipeline?Yamaha - Justin Cooper is the only guy that has somewhat successfully moved up under there programKTM / husky/...

Name a team that has a viable pipeline?

Yamaha - Justin Cooper is the only guy that has somewhat successfully moved up under there program

KTM / husky/ GG no one is a lock to be a 450 superstar under their tent

Honda - they probably don’t need a 450 rider for 2-3 years but is hymas or Shimoda a lock? 

Triumph - Forkner, Jordon smith are not exactly shoe ins. 
 

That's fair but kawi has had a drought the longest and fallen the hardest. Could be some boring years ahead no doubt about it 

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Tyler D wrote:
Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached...

Kawi has to be pissed that they have ZERO pipeline of viable 450 prospects and it's been this way since even before crasharulo. Kitchens was poached (or run off by DEEGS) and doesn't count. 

soggy wrote:
Name a team that has a viable pipeline?Yamaha - Justin Cooper is the only guy that has somewhat successfully moved up under there programKTM / husky/...

Name a team that has a viable pipeline?

Yamaha - Justin Cooper is the only guy that has somewhat successfully moved up under there program

KTM / husky/ GG no one is a lock to be a 450 superstar under their tent

Honda - they probably don’t need a 450 rider for 2-3 years but is hymas or Shimoda a lock? 

Triumph - Forkner, Jordon smith are not exactly shoe ins. 
 

Tyler D wrote:

That's fair but kawi has had a drought the longest and fallen the hardest. Could be some boring years ahead no doubt about it 

I mean they won plenty with Tomac that wasn’t that long ago. Who cares if they didn’t have him in their amateur or 250 team. 

Kawi has as good a chance as anyone because they usually have one of the biggest teams.  But I think they need some organizational changes in how the PC team is run. 

There’s also a log jam in the 450’s.  Because so many guys are racing later into their 30’s there’s no spots to move guys up. 

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I know Kawi calls a lot of shots but Mitch also has a tendency to stay with riders for a long time. MacAdoo is a head scratcher. 

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