With the new age limits coming....

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Team403 wrote:
You might be too young to remember this but up until the early 2000s - 125s were half the SX night show and could damn near...

You might be too young to remember this but up until the early 2000s - 125s were half the SX night show and could damn near do every obstacle- hell they even had real whoops and dragons backs - back then…

jps256 wrote:

We’re talking about the futures class. They wouldn’t be factory modded 125s

I jumed half of the jumps, including the finish line jump, on a box stock RM125 with three laps of practice at A1 in 2001 at the cross over race. At the age of 34 with no SX experience. I am sure the future kids would be sending most everything if they rode 125's.

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1/10/2025 11:10am
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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1/10/2025 11:15am
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

GuyB wrote:

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

What riders are Honda developing at the amateur level? They don’t make race bikes for anyone younger than 15, unless you count that dinosaur POS 150.

 

1/10/2025 11:51am

Didn't they up the minimum age before back in 2011? And then go back to 16 after a while. Back then they  said it was for insurance, rental cars, contracts . 

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1/10/2025 11:57am
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

GuyB wrote:

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Hell half of them jump ship anyway 😂 would be genius marketing for Yamaha and save these poor parents a ton of money trying to keep a 250f in the mix.  

 

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1/10/2025 12:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/10/2025 8:09pm
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

GuyB wrote:

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Honda buys the MC125, Suzuki buys the TC125, and Kawasaki buys the 125SX in the PMG bankruptcy.

In 2 stroke fantasy world

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1/10/2025 12:25pm
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

GuyB wrote:

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

early wrote:

Honda buys the MC125, Suzuki buys the TC125, and Kawasaki buys the 125SX in the PMG bankruptcy.

In 2 stroke fantasy world

Feld 125s…. Don’t they own the monster trucks or something 

1/10/2025 12:32pm
Team403 wrote:

Put all futures kids on like YZ125s

 

GuyB wrote:

In a two-stoke fantasy world, that sounds great. 

Not sure that checks out with all the brands who invest in developing riders. 🤦🏻‍♂️

early wrote:

Honda buys the MC125, Suzuki buys the TC125, and Kawasaki buys the 125SX in the PMG bankruptcy.

In 2 stroke fantasy world

I could see Ducati or Triumph buying one of the brands and instantly having a  full line of off road bikes. They could use the MX bikes they have developed  and throw on some BNG and new plastic on the 50,65,85 and have a full line up. 

 

That would be wild to see Feld buy one of the brands.  How much did KTM pay for Gasgas when they got it?  Would Feld have the money to pull something like that off if they wanted?  It would be crazy to buy one of the brands and use it like they use Monster trucks. Not selling to anybody else. Seems like it would be a ton of money to do, when they could throw some black plastic onto some Yamaha's and buy them each year.

1/10/2025 12:35pm
jps256 wrote:

We’re talking about the futures class. They wouldn’t be factory modded 125s

You’re either 12 years old or trolling.

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1/10/2025 3:37pm
Team403 wrote:
You might be too young to remember this but up until the early 2000s - 125s were half the SX night show and could damn near...

You might be too young to remember this but up until the early 2000s - 125s were half the SX night show and could damn near do every obstacle- hell they even had real whoops and dragons backs - back then…

jps256 wrote:

We’re talking about the futures class. They wouldn’t be factory modded 125s

Fun fact, most private era who raced pro sx could get by with just pipe silencer and reeds. 

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I know I’ll get downvoted but don’t care much for futures. Get to see 3 factory supported guys 30 seconds out front and the rest struggling to get around the track. I know not going to happen but would prefer to see a 125 pro class open to anyone, would think it would show closer racing

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1/11/2025 5:53am
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Friendly reminder that this is what adam cianciarulo looked like at 16 years old in 2013 racing against full grown ass men in the 250 class...

Friendly reminder that this is what adam cianciarulo looked like at 16 years old in 2013 racing against full grown ass men in the 250 class when he turned pro. No shit when he crashed he got hurt… 

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Here he is 2 years later in 2015. Still not the dude we know today and still looks very young but def doesnt look like an 8 yr old anymore

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I think this rule is a good change. On the title 24 podcast RV said he went from superminis at lorettas to big bikes for 8 months before he went pro. RC said it was the same for him too. Thats not enough time. How many of these amateur phenoms go pro and get hurt and never pan out? A lot. 2-3 years of riding big bikes instead of a couple months will have these kids much more dialed and ready to go. Plus theyre going to be going to canada to race or europe for emx plus supercross futures. We should be getting a better product when these kids finally enter the pro class. I think its a good change. In most pro sports the kids have to be 18 and most do a few years in college so enter the draft around 20. In the nba players have to be 19 now in order to be elegible for the draft. I’m glad to see this change in mx/sx, a 16 yr old kid racing vs a jordon smith or rj hampshire just has no shot unless theyre a generational talent. I want to see guys ready to go and stay around a while.

jaun wrote:

All that will happen if they raise the pro age to 18 is all the young amateurs will go to Europe and race.

The age is going up in europe too. If youre talking about emx, that would be a good thing in my opinion. Wed be getting much more well rounded mx racers with more life experience as well. 

1/11/2025 6:21am

For every James Stewart there are dozens of examples of kids not making it, not being emotionally, physically, or technically ready to race as a Pro, then they get shuffled around for a bit before dropping off the radar for good. The fact that some of them can ride a dirt bike fast doesn't mean that they are prepared otherwise for all that being a Pro entails. We need to think about the long term development of the literal kids in our sport, instead of just saying if they are fast enough, well, let em off the chain. The difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old is night and day as anyone who has kids will tell you, or if some of us can reach back in our own history objectively enough to acknowledge that as dudes we were much more idiotic as 16 year old KIDS, than we were at 18 (and still pretty dumb). I believe this to be an overwhelmingly positive step for our sport and considering the immense risk we sign up for, it is only prudent as well. Let these young guys actually grow up enough to recognize what they are signing up for and whether or not they want to do it. Give them the time to get an education. Give them time to grow up a little so they can face the inevitable stresses that come with potentially being a professional athlete and all that it requires. I don't understand what the rush is-if the industry could finally have some real patience in their development we would be much better off. Guys racing into their 30's should be much more of the norm than the exception, although that has gotten better.

The above is in part why I am pulling hard for Jett Reynolds. This young man has been through it and has seemingly survived being a child phenom to come out to the other side. I'm also a huge fan of Club MX for supporting him and giving him a shot. Shout out to those guys-some humanity in our sport which is a rarity.

I will also say that I am extremely uncomfortable with kids riding 65 cc bikes and hucking stuff that they have no business jumping, even though they can. There is nothing remotely rational about putting kids that young in that position. Let's ratchet that down a piece.

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1/11/2025 8:33am
bents wrote:
For every James Stewart there are dozens of examples of kids not making it, not being emotionally, physically, or technically ready to race as a Pro...

For every James Stewart there are dozens of examples of kids not making it, not being emotionally, physically, or technically ready to race as a Pro, then they get shuffled around for a bit before dropping off the radar for good. The fact that some of them can ride a dirt bike fast doesn't mean that they are prepared otherwise for all that being a Pro entails. We need to think about the long term development of the literal kids in our sport, instead of just saying if they are fast enough, well, let em off the chain. The difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old is night and day as anyone who has kids will tell you, or if some of us can reach back in our own history objectively enough to acknowledge that as dudes we were much more idiotic as 16 year old KIDS, than we were at 18 (and still pretty dumb). I believe this to be an overwhelmingly positive step for our sport and considering the immense risk we sign up for, it is only prudent as well. Let these young guys actually grow up enough to recognize what they are signing up for and whether or not they want to do it. Give them the time to get an education. Give them time to grow up a little so they can face the inevitable stresses that come with potentially being a professional athlete and all that it requires. I don't understand what the rush is-if the industry could finally have some real patience in their development we would be much better off. Guys racing into their 30's should be much more of the norm than the exception, although that has gotten better.

The above is in part why I am pulling hard for Jett Reynolds. This young man has been through it and has seemingly survived being a child phenom to come out to the other side. I'm also a huge fan of Club MX for supporting him and giving him a shot. Shout out to those guys-some humanity in our sport which is a rarity.

I will also say that I am extremely uncomfortable with kids riding 65 cc bikes and hucking stuff that they have no business jumping, even though they can. There is nothing remotely rational about putting kids that young in that position. Let's ratchet that down a piece.

Seriously, the fact that guys are now riding into their mid 30’s just shows even more that this is a good thing and good timing. The top guys all say you only get a 10 year window to make your mark on the sport. Id much rather see riders having a prime of 18-28 than 16-26. These dudes shouldnt be getting spit out of a sport they put their whole life into in their mid 20’s. Also our top talents shouldnt be retiring in their mid 20s either. Having a prime of 18-28 then a few more years of diminished talent and retiring at 30, 31, 32 is a much more healthy system. I’m glad to see its already been trending in this direction and this should push it even more. 

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1/11/2025 8:43am
bents wrote:
For every James Stewart there are dozens of examples of kids not making it, not being emotionally, physically, or technically ready to race as a Pro...

For every James Stewart there are dozens of examples of kids not making it, not being emotionally, physically, or technically ready to race as a Pro, then they get shuffled around for a bit before dropping off the radar for good. The fact that some of them can ride a dirt bike fast doesn't mean that they are prepared otherwise for all that being a Pro entails. We need to think about the long term development of the literal kids in our sport, instead of just saying if they are fast enough, well, let em off the chain. The difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old is night and day as anyone who has kids will tell you, or if some of us can reach back in our own history objectively enough to acknowledge that as dudes we were much more idiotic as 16 year old KIDS, than we were at 18 (and still pretty dumb). I believe this to be an overwhelmingly positive step for our sport and considering the immense risk we sign up for, it is only prudent as well. Let these young guys actually grow up enough to recognize what they are signing up for and whether or not they want to do it. Give them the time to get an education. Give them time to grow up a little so they can face the inevitable stresses that come with potentially being a professional athlete and all that it requires. I don't understand what the rush is-if the industry could finally have some real patience in their development we would be much better off. Guys racing into their 30's should be much more of the norm than the exception, although that has gotten better.

The above is in part why I am pulling hard for Jett Reynolds. This young man has been through it and has seemingly survived being a child phenom to come out to the other side. I'm also a huge fan of Club MX for supporting him and giving him a shot. Shout out to those guys-some humanity in our sport which is a rarity.

I will also say that I am extremely uncomfortable with kids riding 65 cc bikes and hucking stuff that they have no business jumping, even though they can. There is nothing remotely rational about putting kids that young in that position. Let's ratchet that down a piece.

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Seriously, the fact that guys are now riding into their mid 30’s just shows even more that this is a good thing and good timing. The...

Seriously, the fact that guys are now riding into their mid 30’s just shows even more that this is a good thing and good timing. The top guys all say you only get a 10 year window to make your mark on the sport. Id much rather see riders having a prime of 18-28 than 16-26. These dudes shouldnt be getting spit out of a sport they put their whole life into in their mid 20’s. Also our top talents shouldnt be retiring in their mid 20s either. Having a prime of 18-28 then a few more years of diminished talent and retiring at 30, 31, 32 is a much more healthy system. I’m glad to see its already been trending in this direction and this should push it even more. 

I’d take the other side of the argument. If someone thinks they are ready at 16 who is anyone to tell them no?  It’s up to that rider/team/parents to make the correct decision. This whole we need to save these riders from themselves is bad business.  We are lucky this rule came about after Jett and Haiden went pro. No one would have wanted to watch Haiden race another year of futures and outdoor combines. If you have the skill and speed at 16/17 you should be able to race. 

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1/11/2025 8:43am

For arguments sake - if 125s where a stepping stone would it produce better race craft?  I think it would.  

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