Eye-Opening Observation at recent Amateur MX-Where's the future??

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6/29/2010 4:38pm
Ryno784 wrote:
OK, so I was away from racing in the District for a few years, 5 or 6 to be more precise. Coming back and racing the...
OK, so I was away from racing in the District for a few years, 5 or 6 to be more precise. Coming back and racing the past several weeks in the region one thing stands out.... the lack of youth riders....

What used to be our largest classes, the 50cc and 65cc, are now the smallest. There was once a time when we had to split the 65 class and the 50's were always full gates. Now they race for 3rd out of 3! And the +40 class was the biggest on the day!

Making it worse is Yamaha not producing the PW50, TTR50 or the Raptor 50 for 2011....Are the manufacturers throwing up their hands on moto? Who's coming in to become the next MC or Carmichael? Will there be less competition in the ranks thus making for less competitive riders....I don't have the answers, but I can say there's a storm on the horizon and those of us who hold this sport close to our heart may be in for some unfortunate changes.

I can understand the argument against the 4 strokes and the expenses of the bikes possibly pricing people out of the sport, but these are small 2 strokes that haven't increased in operating costs in years. So what happened and what's happening now? Will the market open up to Chinese products, will there be a rebound with the economy or is the sport ultimately doomed?

Comments, rants, sarcasm....all welcome.
Darling, they aren't building an 85cc, too many out there why compete for the market share when it's full ? they are skipping the 85's and hitting the 125cc bikes and I'll tell you that I am sure this industry can use a nice push like this to get those 2-strokes back and the prices down ! CA is on it's ass and now they are backing off on all the laws we passed a few years ago on banning this and that in the motorcycle world ...so look for a 125cc 2-stroke by Cobra to help them get out of trouble as well, I think it'll be a good seller !

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pie8man wrote:
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play...
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play on practice days. Really I just cannot afford to do it (racing the whole family) once they get onto 80's and up. I make a good living, not as good as a couple years ago, I live in a modest home and pay for everything cash...well except the house. I do not know how these other families pull it off.
I share a similar perspective. My boys are 6 and 8 and they are currently riding a PW50 and TTR50. They do a local pit bike series that has youth classes and the track is pretty low key.

My kids started racing BMX last fall and they are really having a good time with that. To me, some of the main advantages are the cost ($6/7 per race) and we are in and out in under 3 hours (including practice).

I have debated getting a racing 50, but I can't get past the $3300+ cost of a mini. Add in the high level of maintenance required for the racing 50's, and you're looking at upwards of $5K a season for just the bike.

I think the main thing for me though are the current types off tracks. I love MX, but I have told my wife numerous times that I am so glad the boys enjoy riding, but I hope they don't want to race anytime soon. The bikes are too fast and the tracks are more freestyle courses than race tracks. To be competitive, you have to jump what the other kids are jumping and we have all been blown away by some 9- or 10- year old hucking a 100' jump on a 65. Admittedly, its cool to see, but my heart would stop if it was one of my kids trying a jump like that. The price for a mistake is simply too high.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to cost for most people along with the increased level of potential injury (perceived or not). Hopefully, promoters will be able to address the decrease in attendance through creative methods and revised pricing structures.
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5 ktm"s in less than 1 1/2 years at a cost of $3400 .And the countless parts .The smart ones where the ones that jumped out of the 50 class and went to the 65,s . I would highly recomend to skip the class .

The sport is great but just costs way too much .If you look at the local races most of the top riders from any area dont race the local saturday night special races they just practice and go to the big events .
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For the record I heard that Cobra is building a 125 two stroke motorcycle...should be fun !

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Thats awesome .

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Can someone explain the D15 fiasco for me ? Just curious...I've never raced in Indiana.
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why invest in a sport where you lose money finishing 15th in the pro races?

doesnt seem a good invrstment for the future of the semi-above average youth. so now its an old guys hobby!
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6/29/2010 6:23pm
Ryno784 wrote:
OK, so I was away from racing in the District for a few years, 5 or 6 to be more precise. Coming back and racing the...
OK, so I was away from racing in the District for a few years, 5 or 6 to be more precise. Coming back and racing the past several weeks in the region one thing stands out.... the lack of youth riders....

What used to be our largest classes, the 50cc and 65cc, are now the smallest. There was once a time when we had to split the 65 class and the 50's were always full gates. Now they race for 3rd out of 3! And the +40 class was the biggest on the day!

Making it worse is Yamaha not producing the PW50, TTR50 or the Raptor 50 for 2011....Are the manufacturers throwing up their hands on moto? Who's coming in to become the next MC or Carmichael? Will there be less competition in the ranks thus making for less competitive riders....I don't have the answers, but I can say there's a storm on the horizon and those of us who hold this sport close to our heart may be in for some unfortunate changes.

I can understand the argument against the 4 strokes and the expenses of the bikes possibly pricing people out of the sport, but these are small 2 strokes that haven't increased in operating costs in years. So what happened and what's happening now? Will the market open up to Chinese products, will there be a rebound with the economy or is the sport ultimately doomed?

Comments, rants, sarcasm....all welcome.
VEGAS711 wrote:
They aren't making 50cc bikes in 2011 because they are introducing 85cc four strokes in 50cc chassis for the 4-6 and 7-8 year olds.Woohoo
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6/29/2010 6:32pm
pie8man wrote:
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play...
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play on practice days. Really I just cannot afford to do it (racing the whole family) once they get onto 80's and up. I make a good living, not as good as a couple years ago, I live in a modest home and pay for everything cash...well except the house. I do not know how these other families pull it off.
You are a smart man and a good dad. My kid who is now doing really well racing off-road had more fun on his 110 play riding than he ever did racing 50's.
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pie8man wrote:
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play...
I do not think I will ever take my sons 50cc racing. I would rather just take them camping and go trail riding and go play on practice days. Really I just cannot afford to do it (racing the whole family) once they get onto 80's and up. I make a good living, not as good as a couple years ago, I live in a modest home and pay for everything cash...well except the house. I do not know how these other families pull it off.
I share a similar perspective. My boys are 6 and 8 and they are currently riding a PW50 and TTR50. They do a local pit bike...
I share a similar perspective. My boys are 6 and 8 and they are currently riding a PW50 and TTR50. They do a local pit bike series that has youth classes and the track is pretty low key.

My kids started racing BMX last fall and they are really having a good time with that. To me, some of the main advantages are the cost ($6/7 per race) and we are in and out in under 3 hours (including practice).

I have debated getting a racing 50, but I can't get past the $3300+ cost of a mini. Add in the high level of maintenance required for the racing 50's, and you're looking at upwards of $5K a season for just the bike.

I think the main thing for me though are the current types off tracks. I love MX, but I have told my wife numerous times that I am so glad the boys enjoy riding, but I hope they don't want to race anytime soon. The bikes are too fast and the tracks are more freestyle courses than race tracks. To be competitive, you have to jump what the other kids are jumping and we have all been blown away by some 9- or 10- year old hucking a 100' jump on a 65. Admittedly, its cool to see, but my heart would stop if it was one of my kids trying a jump like that. The price for a mistake is simply too high.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to cost for most people along with the increased level of potential injury (perceived or not). Hopefully, promoters will be able to address the decrease in attendance through creative methods and revised pricing structures.
I started to have my kids race bmx lately instead of moto. With three kids racing and it's just too expensive. Good bikes in bmx of $400-600 and up if build it up yourself. But most kids run $400-600.
No gate fee and only $10 race. All three kids racing are still cheaper than just one at an mx race. Lots of local tracks that I don't have to drive far to get to. Maintenance is really cheap.
I love motocross and raced for many years but this is the next best thing at 1/8 the cost.
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Dirtnut129 wrote:
5 ktm"s in less than 1 1/2 years at a cost of $3400 .And the countless parts .The smart ones where the ones that jumped out...
5 ktm"s in less than 1 1/2 years at a cost of $3400 .And the countless parts .The smart ones where the ones that jumped out of the 50 class and went to the 65,s . I would highly recomend to skip the class .

The sport is great but just costs way too much .If you look at the local races most of the top riders from any area dont race the local saturday night special races they just practice and go to the big events .
I just jumped my son up to a 65. My daughter took over his ktm 50 jr and is riding that. It is ridiculous the cost to buy and maintain a race 50. Add in the cost to go racing and its just not affordable for most. Because of this we may race 4-5x this season, but they ride almost every day at our track.

Another observation. A local 13 yr old kid who goes pretty good locally just went to Pleasure Valley regional. He rode senior mini and schoolboy. On the line for the first moto, his dad went up and down and checked out everyone's bike. He told me that he is pretty sure that his sons bike was the only stock bike on the line. Its a mod class, but this family does not have the money to compete at this level. I find that a very sad story and a really bad indicator of what is happening to our sport.

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6/29/2010 6:50pm Edited Date/Time 6/29/2010 6:51pm
what i don't understand is why all of you are complaining about 50's, there are two reasons all of the your 50's are breaking. 1 you aren't maintaining them good, we went two years in the same clutch on a cobra 50, it was my brothers and he made it to lorretas. 2. your kid isn't holding the throttle on he/she is going brap.....brap....brap....... that will fry the clutch!!!!!!!!!!! and much more!!!
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Are injuries playing a bigger part in people leaving the sport?

Dad gets hurt...jr starts playing stick and ball sports?
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NP301 wrote:
what i don't understand is why all of you are complaining about 50's, there are two reasons all of the your 50's are breaking. 1 you...
what i don't understand is why all of you are complaining about 50's, there are two reasons all of the your 50's are breaking. 1 you aren't maintaining them good, we went two years in the same clutch on a cobra 50, it was my brothers and he made it to lorretas. 2. your kid isn't holding the throttle on he/she is going brap.....brap....brap....... that will fry the clutch!!!!!!!!!!! and much more!!!
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I did maintain the ktm 50s i had .I would restack the clutch according to what type of track we raced .The frames would brake .Hubs , pipes and many other small stuff .Its just too much for such a short period ( age of kid) .And just for the record my son was under 50lbs soaking wet so it wasnt his size.
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Gardner37 wrote:
Can someone explain the D15 fiasco for me ? Just curious...I've never raced in Indiana.
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base)
There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana. They have 3-4 races per weekend, rotating locations each week. Great idea if you like riding the same tracks with little to no changes or competition. I have seen them prep the tracks properly from time to time, but for the most part, not so good.

While it is true, this does give you a place to ride each weekend, but......and I mean a big butt , it is mostly like racing a fair race. And as I tell my racing buddies, there is nothing fair about a "fair race". I have seen rules overlooked if it benefits one of "their riders".

I will drive past their tracks to race at RedBud or Motoland. There are some good tracks in Indiana (Wildcat Creek-Wabash-Badlands). Central Indiana does not have a MX track and that may be what is needed to grow the sport in Indiana.
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Gardner37 wrote:
Can someone explain the D15 fiasco for me ? Just curious...I've never raced in Indiana.
REFEREE wrote:
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base) There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana...
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base)
There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana. They have 3-4 races per weekend, rotating locations each week. Great idea if you like riding the same tracks with little to no changes or competition. I have seen them prep the tracks properly from time to time, but for the most part, not so good.

While it is true, this does give you a place to ride each weekend, but......and I mean a big butt , it is mostly like racing a fair race. And as I tell my racing buddies, there is nothing fair about a "fair race". I have seen rules overlooked if it benefits one of "their riders".

I will drive past their tracks to race at RedBud or Motoland. There are some good tracks in Indiana (Wildcat Creek-Wabash-Badlands). Central Indiana does not have a MX track and that may be what is needed to grow the sport in Indiana.
G-Man called for directions to this series!
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Gardner37 wrote:
Can someone explain the D15 fiasco for me ? Just curious...I've never raced in Indiana.
REFEREE wrote:
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base) There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana...
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base)
There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana. They have 3-4 races per weekend, rotating locations each week. Great idea if you like riding the same tracks with little to no changes or competition. I have seen them prep the tracks properly from time to time, but for the most part, not so good.

While it is true, this does give you a place to ride each weekend, but......and I mean a big butt , it is mostly like racing a fair race. And as I tell my racing buddies, there is nothing fair about a "fair race". I have seen rules overlooked if it benefits one of "their riders".

I will drive past their tracks to race at RedBud or Motoland. There are some good tracks in Indiana (Wildcat Creek-Wabash-Badlands). Central Indiana does not have a MX track and that may be what is needed to grow the sport in Indiana.
I think you're on to what Roc was mentioning. I was on the D15 board years ago and pushed through a rule that created a sliding scale for points in the district. So if a guy in northern Indiana raced and got 3rd out of 3, he no longer got the same points as the guy racing in southern Indiana getting 3rd out of 30. (You'd have a guy get last place every weekend and still win the points championship, ya know.)This created a bit of friction between these promoters and myself, of course, because they ran every weekend and had smaller turnouts.

However, I was fortunate enough to work with these same folks on the AX series and have much respect for them all. They try and live a dream many of us have, running a track and making a living out of it. But it's not always a dream and with turnouts low they're suffering as much as anyone.

So the sliding scale fixed the disparity in the district, but there also used to be a rule limiting the number of races and the proximity of those tracks and I'm not sure if that still exists. We used to have 300 plus bikes on a weekend event, now if they get 150 they're thrilled.

Referee, we also lost Bakersfield, Midway and pretty much Podium One which were all extremely popular venues. Man I loved those days....
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Gardner37 wrote:
Can someone explain the D15 fiasco for me ? Just curious...I've never raced in Indiana.
REFEREE wrote:
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base) There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana...
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base)
There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana. They have 3-4 races per weekend, rotating locations each week. Great idea if you like riding the same tracks with little to no changes or competition. I have seen them prep the tracks properly from time to time, but for the most part, not so good.

While it is true, this does give you a place to ride each weekend, but......and I mean a big butt , it is mostly like racing a fair race. And as I tell my racing buddies, there is nothing fair about a "fair race". I have seen rules overlooked if it benefits one of "their riders".

I will drive past their tracks to race at RedBud or Motoland. There are some good tracks in Indiana (Wildcat Creek-Wabash-Badlands). Central Indiana does not have a MX track and that may be what is needed to grow the sport in Indiana.
Ryno784 wrote:
I think you're on to what Roc was mentioning. I was on the D15 board years ago and pushed through a rule that created a sliding...
I think you're on to what Roc was mentioning. I was on the D15 board years ago and pushed through a rule that created a sliding scale for points in the district. So if a guy in northern Indiana raced and got 3rd out of 3, he no longer got the same points as the guy racing in southern Indiana getting 3rd out of 30. (You'd have a guy get last place every weekend and still win the points championship, ya know.)This created a bit of friction between these promoters and myself, of course, because they ran every weekend and had smaller turnouts.

However, I was fortunate enough to work with these same folks on the AX series and have much respect for them all. They try and live a dream many of us have, running a track and making a living out of it. But it's not always a dream and with turnouts low they're suffering as much as anyone.

So the sliding scale fixed the disparity in the district, but there also used to be a rule limiting the number of races and the proximity of those tracks and I'm not sure if that still exists. We used to have 300 plus bikes on a weekend event, now if they get 150 they're thrilled.

Referee, we also lost Bakersfield, Midway and pretty much Podium One which were all extremely popular venues. Man I loved those days....
You can add IRP, Knobby Hill, Greenfield, Brazil, Winchester, Terre Haute x2, Marion County Fairgrounds, Portland and I'm sure there are a few that I cannot remember that have closed over the years.

I also respect these folks for trying to make a living, but I also know it effects all of the other tracks as well in Indiana when they race every weekend. It must be tough during todays economy.

Were you at Wildcat last week?
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For the record I heard that Cobra is building a 125 two stroke motorcycle...should be fun !

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This would be a good move and to be honest, they have to be hurting due to the Lead Law. They have to produce something for kids over 12 or they get caught in the law. Yamaha said cya, they have enough to do defending the Rhino. Cobra can grow up with the same kids that started on the bikes, smart move.

I think the manufs. need to realize that not only MX riders got started on the little 50's and 70's. Ask most of the Harley riders and baby boomers who are now spending their retirement money buying metric streetbikes with decent margins and they'll tell you about the Dirt Squirt, Honda Mini Trail or Yamaha MX 80 that they used to rip it up on.

They need to think 10 and 20 years down the road, something HD didn't do and is now paying for dearly. And I know I have to work at least another 20 dang years and I want it to be in this industry.
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I've been out of the district for about 6-7 years also but I have some good friends still up there. Non of them really race anymore because there is no where to go in central IN. I think district 15 has been a dying area for a while. I don't think the guys in north central IN had much to do with it, I just think the tracks in central and south central Indiana closing had something to do with it. Or maybe all of the full gate 12-15 riders of 6-7 years ago realized they needed to go to college? It's a sad situation in IN but these are tough economic times! I remember when my yz80's could be had for $2900 OTD.

Midway was one of my favorites and Knobby was my home! How long ago did Mitchell close down?
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One thing the MX promoters may want to consider is the idea of "Track Bucks" that are used in BMX. At the tracks around here, entry is usually either $7 for points only or $9 for either a trophy or Track Bucks. Your finish in the Main determines how many Track Bucks you get ($5 for 1st, $4 for 2nd, etc.). The track bucks can then be used for entry fees, at the concession stand, etc. and since they are tied to your NBL license, can be used at other facilities.

Of course, this would require the AMA to be involved (or some other enterprising organization) since you would need to attach the bucks to an account.

It's a fairly simple system that helps defray the costs of racing and provides an immediate return for doing well.
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REFEREE wrote:
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base) There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana...
In a nutshell (chim in rocrac & 784 if I'm off base)
There is a family that promotes AMA races at 5 tracks in northern Indiana. They have 3-4 races per weekend, rotating locations each week. Great idea if you like riding the same tracks with little to no changes or competition. I have seen them prep the tracks properly from time to time, but for the most part, not so good.

While it is true, this does give you a place to ride each weekend, but......and I mean a big butt , it is mostly like racing a fair race. And as I tell my racing buddies, there is nothing fair about a "fair race". I have seen rules overlooked if it benefits one of "their riders".

I will drive past their tracks to race at RedBud or Motoland. There are some good tracks in Indiana (Wildcat Creek-Wabash-Badlands). Central Indiana does not have a MX track and that may be what is needed to grow the sport in Indiana.
Ryno784 wrote:
I think you're on to what Roc was mentioning. I was on the D15 board years ago and pushed through a rule that created a sliding...
I think you're on to what Roc was mentioning. I was on the D15 board years ago and pushed through a rule that created a sliding scale for points in the district. So if a guy in northern Indiana raced and got 3rd out of 3, he no longer got the same points as the guy racing in southern Indiana getting 3rd out of 30. (You'd have a guy get last place every weekend and still win the points championship, ya know.)This created a bit of friction between these promoters and myself, of course, because they ran every weekend and had smaller turnouts.

However, I was fortunate enough to work with these same folks on the AX series and have much respect for them all. They try and live a dream many of us have, running a track and making a living out of it. But it's not always a dream and with turnouts low they're suffering as much as anyone.

So the sliding scale fixed the disparity in the district, but there also used to be a rule limiting the number of races and the proximity of those tracks and I'm not sure if that still exists. We used to have 300 plus bikes on a weekend event, now if they get 150 they're thrilled.

Referee, we also lost Bakersfield, Midway and pretty much Podium One which were all extremely popular venues. Man I loved those days....
REFEREE wrote:
You can add IRP, Knobby Hill, Greenfield, Brazil, Winchester, Terre Haute x2, Marion County Fairgrounds, Portland and I'm sure there are a few that I cannot...
You can add IRP, Knobby Hill, Greenfield, Brazil, Winchester, Terre Haute x2, Marion County Fairgrounds, Portland and I'm sure there are a few that I cannot remember that have closed over the years.

I also respect these folks for trying to make a living, but I also know it effects all of the other tracks as well in Indiana when they race every weekend. It must be tough during todays economy.

Were you at Wildcat last week?
We ran D&D the week before and couldn't make Wildcat. We'll likely do Kingsbury or Hangtime next weekend, I like Hangtime but would like to see this track in Kingsbury.

And wow, you show your age knowing about Winchester man....lol Vet racer are we? That track was great, and an atty moved in next to Knobby which ultimately shut that track down. Marion County was drawing some great turnouts and crowds, not sure what happened to that.
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One thing the MX promoters may want to consider is the idea of "Track Bucks" that are used in BMX. At the tracks around here, entry...
One thing the MX promoters may want to consider is the idea of "Track Bucks" that are used in BMX. At the tracks around here, entry is usually either $7 for points only or $9 for either a trophy or Track Bucks. Your finish in the Main determines how many Track Bucks you get ($5 for 1st, $4 for 2nd, etc.). The track bucks can then be used for entry fees, at the concession stand, etc. and since they are tied to your NBL license, can be used at other facilities.

Of course, this would require the AMA to be involved (or some other enterprising organization) since you would need to attach the bucks to an account.

It's a fairly simple system that helps defray the costs of racing and provides an immediate return for doing well.
This is actually a pretty good idea but with many different promoters battling for every dollar to be redeemed at their track, I could see a problem off the bat. If you defray the cost of the trophy and instead give a winner track bucks to spend on things that have a markup, you'd win. But to share with other promoters, not Indiana promoters at least...
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yz763 wrote:
I've been out of the district for about 6-7 years also but I have some good friends still up there. Non of them really race anymore...
I've been out of the district for about 6-7 years also but I have some good friends still up there. Non of them really race anymore because there is no where to go in central IN. I think district 15 has been a dying area for a while. I don't think the guys in north central IN had much to do with it, I just think the tracks in central and south central Indiana closing had something to do with it. Or maybe all of the full gate 12-15 riders of 6-7 years ago realized they needed to go to college? It's a sad situation in IN but these are tough economic times! I remember when my yz80's could be had for $2900 OTD.

Midway was one of my favorites and Knobby was my home! How long ago did Mitchell close down?
Those classes were full and I think it does have to do with all the tracks going under. I worked with Danny at Midway on my Midwest Amat Championship race I created years ago. Danny just let the place go, it was a goldmine. He runs a couple HS every year now since it involves no prepping and watering. Man I was there for regionals paring RV's at 4am....it was crazy and so muc fun. I won there often. Knobby was great but broke a lot of bones. That program was complete by 3pm with 300 bikes though, we got home before dark!
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6/29/2010 8:26pm
You could say I have been around Indiana racing for a while. Fun Club Kawasaki (Indianapolis Raceway Park) was my first race back in 1974 OUCH......

Still good times with my kids and I throw a leg over the seat every once in a while. We will be at Motoland in Kingsbury for the Outlaw National the weekend after REEEEEDDDDD BUUUUUUUUUUUUD. The track is all sand and it gets a smidgen rough LOL.
Digger437
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Wisconsin Rapids, WI, USA
6/29/2010 8:28pm
My son and I raced a D16 race this weekend in Northern WI. One of the biggest classes was mini jr and sr on the 80's which was good to see. The 50cc class had 9 entries in Peewee sr and 6 entries in Peewee jr. Out of the 15 bikes, my son was the only Yamaha and only four stroke. The almighty TTR50. He went 6-5 for 5th in PWSR. class. I was pretty stoked because all the bikes were either Cobras or Ktms. All the other dads looked at us like we were aliens. haha

We were underpowered and underdogs but he was happy to be riding and spending a camping/racing weekend with dad and the results didn't matter. It's about time together and having fun and being core to moto.
sharkey
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Marysville, WA, USA
6/29/2010 8:42pm
Larry wrote:
Having the 50 classes disapear would be the best thing to happen to moto since Rodger DeCoster showed up in the States.
bt260 wrote:
no way, without the 50 class there's no moto milfs
cdm806 wrote:
without six different 50cc motos, the day ends 3 hours quicker! now if they could do something about the 4 classes (8 motos) of minis, we'd...
without six different 50cc motos, the day ends 3 hours quicker! now if they could do something about the 4 classes (8 motos) of minis, we'd be onto something. There are WAY too many mini classes at most tracks IMO. Here are the mini classes ran last weekend at a D3 race at MotoMasters.

-50cc Jr Stock 4-6
-50cc Oil Injected 4-8
-50cc Sr Stock 7-8
-65cc 7-11
-85cc 12-15
-Jr Mini 9-11
-Open Mini 10-16

I'm not in favor of doing away with the 50's or minis, but how about having one 50cc class and one mini (65-85, and 150F) class? There, we just went from 14 motos to 4. Now we're looking at four hours earlier I can leave the track and get home.
most places have 3 classes for the most part 4-6 50cc, 7-8 50cc and 50 open
mxjef
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Fountain Valley, CA, USA
6/29/2010 8:53pm
I posted this on another board but it seems to fit here too...

http://www.proride.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=56298.0

Seems to me the sport was a lot more "healthy" in the late 70's early 80's.
Before all of the Amateur Nationals came about the local races were thriving. Kids would race locally every weekend without the "fear" of being moved up a class, now it's all about staying in a lower class to bring home the titles and contingencies.
Is there a racing scene anymore here in So. Cal.?... Or am I just missing it?
karnivool
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6/29/2010 9:23pm
NO 50's? I saw James Stewart on a 50 years ago, and Robbie Reynard, Kevin Windham, Jonathon Schimp,and a bunch of others, without that experience, they wouldn't have been hucking triples on their kx65's the next year...this sport needs all levels...

the BAN is killer...probably what ur seeing...
6/29/2010 9:34pm
The economy, the destruction of riding areas, the sue-happy mentality of our country, the cost of today's bikes/bling mentality, the ever increasing number of other activities, the lazy mentality of today's kids, the overprotective mentality of their parents, and more all contribute to the lack of kids on dirtbikes today. Like it or not, MX is not where it's at- it never has been. Without plain old dirtbike riders, there will be no MX.

My son started a quad at 3, Pro Jr at 5 1/2, RM65 at 7 1/2, and now at 11 is more than ready for an 85. All playriding and practicing, no racing whatsoever. He wants to race, but between the cost involved and the time required, it's simply not a priority. Yes, our other activity (Judo) takes up time too. Even if I could afford to maintain a practice bike for every other day motos, where's he going to ride it? Any open space "public" land has been declared "verboten" by local government, and land owners are scared to death that if he gets hurt they'll be sued by someone (health insurance, DA, crazy parents, etc).

Sucks, but it is what it is.
racin mason
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6/29/2010 9:39pm
In my opinion the lack of a bike to fill the gap between 85 and the 250f has really hurt the sport.Its just to big of a jump,both in cost and size.When I was a kid ,I could earn enough money in the summer to buy a bike and have enough money to ride and race till summer came around again.In my junior year of high school I bought a new bike in the spring, then another new one the start of my senior year. I dont think a kid could do that these days.
There needs to be an entry level motorcycle for teenagers ,What would you think if the big 5 made brand new replicas of their 1990 125s with a price tag of around 4 grand?
I bet there would be a bunch of kids with moto boners again,

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