Apparently these chuckle heads really want us in WWIII

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Cool, but not the question I asked hence why everyone avoided answering it or tried to change the question into something they could blame democrats for.

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Also, I'm not 100% sure if this is the case here, but lots of times people talk about things the Democrats did back in the day...

Also, I'm not 100% sure if this is the case here, but lots of times people talk about things the Democrats did back in the day that were actually things the Republicans did.

Most people know that in 1964 the parties basically flip flopped, so anything the "Democrats" did before then was actually the Republicans.

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It seems the Democrats have been fighting poverty for decades, and the Republicans have been fighting big government for decades.

That's what their mouths say, but their actions say something else. 

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So now that the reality of the money spigot being slammed shut in a few weeks, the dwarf is willing to concede territory for NATO protection. 

Once again, as we've all been aware of, this was all about the $$$.

Both here, and over there.

(Remember nancy's little junket over there to ensure she, and her's, got their fair share ??)

 

And don't hold your breath thinking we're going to continue funding the majority of the NATO budget for much longer.

 

We've problems here within our own borders that need the funds we've been throwing away over there.

 

And go back and review your history.

Especially the agreements reached, with the Soviet's, when the Berlin wall came down.

Then go back and research who began the NATO/ukraine nonsense. 

And who's trying like hell to escalate things right now. 

 

#FJB 

And his handlers. 

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Wombodingly doing his usual liberal, deflection antics.Changing the script from the current democrat administration's fucked up mess, to past administration's messes. Hey boy, we're talking about the...

Wombodingly doing his usual liberal, deflection antics.

Changing the script from the current democrat administration's fucked up mess, to past administration's messes.

 

Hey boy, we're talking about the current bullshit in Ukraine. 

Which has nothing to do with any past administration.

"Hey boy, we're talking about the current bullshit in Ukraine. Which has nothing to do with any past administration."If you think what's going on in...

"Hey boy, we're talking about the current bullshit in Ukraine. Which has nothing to do with any past administration."

If you think what's going on in Ukraine has nothing to do with any past administrations you are hands down the least qualified person to ever talk about what's going on in Ukraine.

Sorry, boy.

You're not wrong ,this mess started back when Obama was meddling in Ukraines election process.

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Another Wombat meltdown? Meh, it’s about that betas time of the month, makes sense. 

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Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in comes Putin to murder people and illegally occupy territory, still illegally occupied today. Same old nonsense from a paranoid/scared little guy. 

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byke wrote:
Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in...

Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in comes Putin to murder people and illegally occupy territory, still illegally occupied today. Same old nonsense from a paranoid/scared little guy. 

Throw in a dash of evil too. 

Ya, fuck Putin.

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byke wrote:
Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in...

Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in comes Putin to murder people and illegally occupy territory, still illegally occupied today. Same old nonsense from a paranoid/scared little guy. 

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying to regime change it. The EU is now whining that the election this week was not fair and want another because the people spoke and don’t want membership. 
Also, your notion that Putin wants to rebuild the empire is kind of baseless. He’s had so many years to do it and yet has not. That’s a Kingols talking point. If anyone wants to expand their “empire” it’s the US/West/Nato through constant hegemony in the region. 
Listen to some Scott Horton among other great sources of insight on the subject. They break down crucial events leading up to where we are now. 
The scariest thing is that Trump has essentially put the same people in the white house that orchestrated all the mess going on now. 
 

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I suspect the EU\UN and NATO would be upset about a lot of elections in the region, if they were allowed to take place.

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byke wrote:
Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in...

Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in comes Putin to murder people and illegally occupy territory, still illegally occupied today. Same old nonsense from a paranoid/scared little guy. 

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying...

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying to regime change it. The EU is now whining that the election this week was not fair and want another because the people spoke and don’t want membership. 
Also, your notion that Putin wants to rebuild the empire is kind of baseless. He’s had so many years to do it and yet has not. That’s a Kingols talking point. If anyone wants to expand their “empire” it’s the US/West/Nato through constant hegemony in the region. 
Listen to some Scott Horton among other great sources of insight on the subject. They break down crucial events leading up to where we are now. 
The scariest thing is that Trump has essentially put the same people in the white house that orchestrated all the mess going on now. 
 

I'll do some reading, but just popping here to say thanks for a subject related response. 

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OldTech wrote:

I suspect the EU\UN and NATO would be upset about a lot of elections in the region, if they were allowed to take place.

This might be true and I'm guessing Brexit is in mind, but Brexit doesn't seem to be helping. So far all it's done is add cost and bureaucracy. Having freedom includes the freedom to make mistakes. 

"If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand" 

(i.e. united we stand, divided we fall) 

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12/1/2024 11:37am
byke wrote:
Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in...

Occam's Razor, Putin just wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. It was the same situation in Georgia, as soon as there was a pro-NATO/west leader, in comes Putin to murder people and illegally occupy territory, still illegally occupied today. Same old nonsense from a paranoid/scared little guy. 

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying...

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying to regime change it. The EU is now whining that the election this week was not fair and want another because the people spoke and don’t want membership. 
Also, your notion that Putin wants to rebuild the empire is kind of baseless. He’s had so many years to do it and yet has not. That’s a Kingols talking point. If anyone wants to expand their “empire” it’s the US/West/Nato through constant hegemony in the region. 
Listen to some Scott Horton among other great sources of insight on the subject. They break down crucial events leading up to where we are now. 
The scariest thing is that Trump has essentially put the same people in the white house that orchestrated all the mess going on now. 
 

byke wrote:

I'll do some reading, but just popping here to say thanks for a subject related response. 

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I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying...

I sense you have a very superficial understanding on what happened in Georgia and what is currently happening. The US did, and still actively is trying to regime change it. The EU is now whining that the election this week was not fair and want another because the people spoke and don’t want membership. 
Also, your notion that Putin wants to rebuild the empire is kind of baseless. He’s had so many years to do it and yet has not. That’s a Kingols talking point. If anyone wants to expand their “empire” it’s the US/West/Nato through constant hegemony in the region. 
Listen to some Scott Horton among other great sources of insight on the subject. They break down crucial events leading up to where we are now. 
The scariest thing is that Trump has essentially put the same people in the white house that orchestrated all the mess going on now. 
 

byke wrote:

I'll do some reading, but just popping here to say thanks for a subject related response. 

That link required a login, so I found it on Youtube (presumably) and will link it below for anyone that wants to listen or watch it. Didn't particularly care for it. They don't stay on topic very well and I wouldn't say it's rich with information, but I'm guessing that's just because they're friends as they mention at the beginning and that's fine. I found one I liked much better for being a lot more content rich, but you'll have to ignore the avocado toast vibes. I'll link that one at the very bottom. It's also much shorter. And I come to the same conclusion, that ultimately the very legit reasons and failings and provocation, just don't justify crossing borders and committing murder. 

I understand the frustration that comes with people's inability to acknowledge those failings and provocation, but ultimately that's just not going to get me to stop opposing crossing borders and committing murder. I'd also question whether or not the people that think "fuck Ukraine" have a long history of supporting the hippie diplomacy that they now are. Frankly I'm concerned that these newfound hippie positions are just a matter of "because papa said so" and they'll just change their minds whimsically as big papa tells them to. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pN8TnZjf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxNI_OByVc

 

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byke wrote:

I'll do some reading, but just popping here to say thanks for a subject related response. 

byke wrote:
That link required a login, so I found it on Youtube (presumably) and will link it below for anyone that wants to listen or watch it...

That link required a login, so I found it on Youtube (presumably) and will link it below for anyone that wants to listen or watch it. Didn't particularly care for it. They don't stay on topic very well and I wouldn't say it's rich with information, but I'm guessing that's just because they're friends as they mention at the beginning and that's fine. I found one I liked much better for being a lot more content rich, but you'll have to ignore the avocado toast vibes. I'll link that one at the very bottom. It's also much shorter. And I come to the same conclusion, that ultimately the very legit reasons and failings and provocation, just don't justify crossing borders and committing murder. 

I understand the frustration that comes with people's inability to acknowledge those failings and provocation, but ultimately that's just not going to get me to stop opposing crossing borders and committing murder. I'd also question whether or not the people that think "fuck Ukraine" have a long history of supporting the hippie diplomacy that they now are. Frankly I'm concerned that these newfound hippie positions are just a matter of "because papa said so" and they'll just change their minds whimsically as big papa tells them to. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pN8TnZjf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxNI_OByVc

 

Let’s be VERY CLEAR…

Vlad’s INVASION of The Ukraine…dating back to February of 2014…lest we forget…all of Vlad’s assaults on Europe and the death and destruction that is his “Scorched Earth” mandate…all of that…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

Meanwhile, the outright ignorance, deliberate failure to DIRECTLY intercede, allowing the taking of Crimea and The Donbas…all of the “Western Worlds Culpability” in all of this….?

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

The way My Country has INSTIGATED THIS MODERN WAR IN EUROPE & thrown weapons  and money at it as if they are motivated to just “keep it going”…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

The ignorance of the populous as they go along and cheer this war on in the name of “Democracy” or NATO expansion is what is the absolutely most…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

You can not make this shit up. 

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byke wrote:
That link required a login, so I found it on Youtube (presumably) and will link it below for anyone that wants to listen or watch it...

That link required a login, so I found it on Youtube (presumably) and will link it below for anyone that wants to listen or watch it. Didn't particularly care for it. They don't stay on topic very well and I wouldn't say it's rich with information, but I'm guessing that's just because they're friends as they mention at the beginning and that's fine. I found one I liked much better for being a lot more content rich, but you'll have to ignore the avocado toast vibes. I'll link that one at the very bottom. It's also much shorter. And I come to the same conclusion, that ultimately the very legit reasons and failings and provocation, just don't justify crossing borders and committing murder. 

I understand the frustration that comes with people's inability to acknowledge those failings and provocation, but ultimately that's just not going to get me to stop opposing crossing borders and committing murder. I'd also question whether or not the people that think "fuck Ukraine" have a long history of supporting the hippie diplomacy that they now are. Frankly I'm concerned that these newfound hippie positions are just a matter of "because papa said so" and they'll just change their minds whimsically as big papa tells them to. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pN8TnZjf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxNI_OByVc

 

TeamGreen wrote:
Let’s be VERY CLEAR…Vlad’s INVASION of The Ukraine…dating back to February of 2014…lest we forget…all of Vlad’s assaults on Europe and the death and destruction that...

Let’s be VERY CLEAR…

Vlad’s INVASION of The Ukraine…dating back to February of 2014…lest we forget…all of Vlad’s assaults on Europe and the death and destruction that is his “Scorched Earth” mandate…all of that…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

Meanwhile, the outright ignorance, deliberate failure to DIRECTLY intercede, allowing the taking of Crimea and The Donbas…all of the “Western Worlds Culpability” in all of this….?

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

The way My Country has INSTIGATED THIS MODERN WAR IN EUROPE & thrown weapons  and money at it as if they are motivated to just “keep it going”…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

The ignorance of the populous as they go along and cheer this war on in the name of “Democracy” or NATO expansion is what is the absolutely most…

FUCKING UNFORGIVABLE

You can not make this shit up. 

Is there nuance with unforgivable? Murder and provocation for said murder, can't actually be peers...can they? But let's flow with them all being roughly peers in the category of unforgivable for a moment. I definitely haven't seen the issues from that list spoken about here with anywhere near similar frequency, nor similar passion. If all of these things are truly peers in the unforgivable category, why does "fuck Ukraine" come to the forefront? 

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byke wrote:
Is there nuance with unforgivable? Murder and provocation for said murder, can't actually be peers...can they? But let's flow with them all being roughly peers in...

Is there nuance with unforgivable? Murder and provocation for said murder, can't actually be peers...can they? But let's flow with them all being roughly peers in the category of unforgivable for a moment. I definitely haven't seen the issues from that list spoken about here with anywhere near similar frequency, nor similar passion. If all of these things are truly peers in the unforgivable category, why does "fuck Ukraine" come to the forefront? 

You make a word salad worse than Kamala.

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