CR85R Trouble Shooting - Hard to Start

YZed250
Posts
1365
Joined
11/9/2014
Location
Costa Mesa, CA, USA

Had this 2002 CR85 for a while and been trying to get it going properly for my son. 

It starts in the first 3-5 kicks and once it's warm, its slow in the low-end lags in the mid and finally starts to rev properly in the top-end. 

It gets harder to start when hot, like it can't be started by kick start and takes 5-10 hard tries to get it to bump start. Kinda backfires sometimes before it wants to go. Spooges quite a lot. 

Started by replacing the plug, right side crank seal, piston and rings, top-end gaskets, inspected the reeds. Cleaned the carb and noted 120m, 48pj, clip on the top slot, AS 2 turns out. 

I'm thinking of giving it a run without the silencer to see if a repack is all that's holding it back. 

After that, possibly starting with trouble-shooting the main electrical components like the stator and coil?

Does anyone else have any suggestions? Would love to breath some life back into this old bike as my 13yo has almost outgrown it while I've been figuring it out and will eventually need to sell it (ideally in good running condition). 

 

|
Factor E
Posts
977
Joined
9/22/2011
Location
So Cal, CA, USA
11/1/2024 7:24pm Edited Date/Time 11/1/2024 7:24pm
Stator or coil. Pull boot off coil wire and cut back to fresh wires
2
11/1/2024 7:43pm

It may be a leak between the crankcases, sucking oil and air from the gearbox.

1
MxAddic
Posts
5308
Joined
11/24/2022
Location
USA
11/4/2024 5:01pm

That jetting looks lean.Backfire can be lean or coil.

I would try a coil. If it's misfiring that can make it rich when the jetting is not.

1
RGaede
Posts
209
Joined
1/10/2014
Location
Albuquerque, NM, USA
11/6/2024 5:48pm

What's the compression at? 

The Shop

YZed250
Posts
1365
Joined
11/9/2014
Location
Costa Mesa, CA, USA
11/7/2024 9:13am
RGaede wrote:

What's the compression at? 

I don't have a good gauge at the moment but I've been kicking bikes for 40 years and this thing feels great after I repaced the piston and rings in the last 2hrs of run time. thx.

1
28hall
Posts
309
Joined
4/16/2019
Location
AU
11/7/2024 4:42pm

I’m no expert but I think your pilot is way too rich, try a 42. I had hard starting, spooge etc with my sons 50 and leaning the pilot fixed it. Airscrew should be close to 1.5 and put the needle back to middle clip. I think the main is probably too lean as well but start at the pilot and work from there 

MOTO557556
Posts
89
Joined
7/21/2014
Location
Burtrum, MN, USA
11/9/2024 3:43pm
image 703
MOTO557556
Posts
89
Joined
7/21/2014
Location
Burtrum, MN, USA
11/10/2024 4:53am

STD and Pro Circuit Jetting:

image 705
MOTO557556
Posts
89
Joined
7/21/2014
Location
Burtrum, MN, USA
11/10/2024 5:02am

Here is what Pro Circuit says about their jetting specifications:

image 707

Obviously, what is interesting is the use of C12 with the STD jetting but a clip move to the 2nd position. It might be good to start with Standard jetting and work from there. The assumption here that this would be the stock round slide carburetor.

MxAddic
Posts
5308
Joined
11/24/2022
Location
USA
11/10/2024 5:54am

In my experience C12 is a couple jets leaner than pump gas.across the board. I can't see him being rich on the jetting. If your pilot is lean it won't start for shit. 

MOTO557556
Posts
89
Joined
7/21/2014
Location
Burtrum, MN, USA
11/10/2024 6:41am Edited Date/Time 11/10/2024 10:23am

Addic, Don't disagree on C12 and the pilot being too lean. My point is to put it back to stock and baseline. I'm troubled by the clip position at the top.

The Pro Circuit chart was posted for reference both STD and their settings with C12, Altitude, Temp, and oil/ratio.

Post a reply to: CR85R Trouble Shooting - Hard to Start

The Latest