WP Xact spring conversion kit.

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So I found a spring conversion kit for my FC 350. It comes with a WP 1.0nm spring. Can someone tell me how heavy that spring is and what weight it would be good for. 

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220lbs rider + gear

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rjg wrote:

220lbs rider + gear

Thanks I found it on the RT site. Bit to heavy for me 175 lbs. 

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make sure to get one with the external adjustable spring preload. It makes a big difference in getting comfortable setting up the bike for yourself. 

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10/21/2024 12:52pm

I’ve got 50 hours on my AER… Was going to do a refresh and revalve

FC pitched me a spring conversion instead of be about the same price

Do you guys find it drastically better?

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10/21/2024 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 10/31/2024 5:34pm

Just one guy's opinion - a Vet B rider - and for ref: my experience is with KYB SSS forks on Yamahas, KYB A-kit forks on Hondas and Yamahas (both spring and air PSF1s), SHOWA forks on Hondas, and stock AER + AER with KYB insert forks on KTMs --- here is my feedback relative to AER-based forks:

(1) AER forks are quite polarizing but it's hard for me to tell if people have spent the 30m you need to trial-and-error with them to use them correctly. They are super easy to set up if you learn them I've found. I honestly like them and haven't given up. It's hard not to get drawn into the hype - and I did - and I had KYB-converted AER forks before I even rode my KTMs. I wouldn't do this again, I jumped the gun.

(2) KYB-converted AER forks are quite nice, better feel than stock AER forks so far for me, but "different" = a key descriptor. I'll need more time to articulate "different" and to see if revalved AER forks can be as good.

(3) KYB forks on Yamahas are my favorite --- the chassis/fork combo is a real thing (i.e. just dropping KYBs onto a KTM doesn't make it a Yamaha) ---> KYB forks on a KTM are nice, but not as developed/evolved as a KYB forks on a Yamaha --- there's just no replacement for the oodles of development/testing/tailoring Yamaha has done to get to the point they are --- it's a HUGE advantage. Summary: Keep your expectations in check.

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Gotta run, will finish these thoughts ^^^ later, but for now:
A spring conversion with adjustable spring preload sounds like an awesome setup to me --- this is where I would probably start if I was starting over on KTM forks.
 

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10/22/2024 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 10/31/2024 5:27pm

FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:
(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs
(2) AER forks with KYB inserts + billet lugs + billet spring tubes set up by Enzo Racing (2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 21.2 lbs --- surprising!
(3) Stock KYB SSS forks (2023 YZ450F) = 19.4 lbs

*** SUMMARY = 4.6 lbs difference between stock AER forks and AER w/ KYB conversion = VERY NOTICEABLE - AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY FOR MY RIDING STYLE & BIKE FEEL PREFERENCE (OTHERS HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES, SEE BELOW) ***

For the ~ 5 pound weight penalty that comes with the KYB inserts/billet lugs, I think I want to make the AER forks work REALLY well w/ a revalve ---> The lightweight aspect is one of the reasons I wanted to try 19-22 KTMs --- and the extra weight on forks is not great for me/my setup preferences, especially on singletrack.

I'm now going to try Dialed Mfg's spring conversion kit that uses KYB cartridges/springs but doesn't use billet lugs to see if I can find a happier middle ground. More to come on this experiment whenever I can fit it in.

Either way, I am splitting hairs here - so be honest with yourself and stay out of your head or it will get very costly for MINIMAL gain - and a lot more weight if you're generally satisfied with stock AER forks. Obviously your mileage may vary ...

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10/23/2024 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 10/23/2024 12:30pm
Rider 5280 wrote:
FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs(2)...

FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:
(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs
(2) AER forks with KYB inserts + billet lugs + billet spring tubes set up by Enzo Racing (2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 21.2 lbs --- surprising!
(3) Stock KYB SSS forks (2023 YZ450F) = 19.4 lbs

*** SUMMARY = 4.6 lbs difference between stock AER forks and AER w/ KYB conversion = VERY NOTICEABLE - AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY FOR MY RIDING STYLE & BIKE FEEL PREFERENCE (OTHERS HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES, SEE BELOW) ***

For the ~ 5 pound weight penalty that comes with the KYB inserts/billet lugs, I think I want to make the AER forks work REALLY well w/ a revalve ---> The lightweight aspect is one of the reasons I wanted to try 19-22 KTMs --- and the extra weight on forks is not great for me/my setup preferences, especially on singletrack.

I'm now going to try Dialed Mfg's spring conversion kit that uses KYB cartridges/springs but doesn't use billet lugs to see if I can find a happier middle ground. More to come on this experiment whenever I can fit it in.

Either way, I am splitting hairs here - so be honest with yourself and stay out of your head or it will get very costly for MINIMAL gain - and a lot more weight if you're generally satisfied with stock AER forks. Obviously your mileage may vary ...

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Why don't you give MX-tech a call? I'm sure they'd be happy to discuss the weight of a set of Raven carts inside Xact legs. That would be my pick.

Heck, they might even know what the competition weighs (6500 kit, Dal Saggio, WP single-sided spring kit, KYB in various configs, etc). 

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Rider 5280 wrote:
FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs(2)...

FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:
(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs
(2) AER forks with KYB inserts + billet lugs + billet spring tubes set up by Enzo Racing (2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 21.2 lbs --- surprising!
(3) Stock KYB SSS forks (2023 YZ450F) = 19.4 lbs

*** SUMMARY = 4.6 lbs difference between stock AER forks and AER w/ KYB conversion = VERY NOTICEABLE - AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY FOR MY RIDING STYLE & BIKE FEEL PREFERENCE (OTHERS HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES, SEE BELOW) ***

For the ~ 5 pound weight penalty that comes with the KYB inserts/billet lugs, I think I want to make the AER forks work REALLY well w/ a revalve ---> The lightweight aspect is one of the reasons I wanted to try 19-22 KTMs --- and the extra weight on forks is not great for me/my setup preferences, especially on singletrack.

I'm now going to try Dialed Mfg's spring conversion kit that uses KYB cartridges/springs but doesn't use billet lugs to see if I can find a happier middle ground. More to come on this experiment whenever I can fit it in.

Either way, I am splitting hairs here - so be honest with yourself and stay out of your head or it will get very costly for MINIMAL gain - and a lot more weight if you're generally satisfied with stock AER forks. Obviously your mileage may vary ...

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It's not a negative. I prefer the extra weight, bike is better balanced in the air and traction and corner entry feels much better. 

The WP single sided spring kit almost became to heavy when I tested it a few years ago, but not the dual spring. 

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10/23/2024 1:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/23/2024 3:02pm
Rider 5280 wrote:
FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs(2)...

FWIW - here's another aspect to consider regarding KTM forks - weight:
(1) Stock AER forks revalved by AEO (stock 2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 16.6 lbs
(2) AER forks with KYB inserts + billet lugs + billet spring tubes set up by Enzo Racing (2022 KTM 350 SX-F) = 21.2 lbs --- surprising!
(3) Stock KYB SSS forks (2023 YZ450F) = 19.4 lbs

*** SUMMARY = 4.6 lbs difference between stock AER forks and AER w/ KYB conversion = VERY NOTICEABLE - AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY FOR MY RIDING STYLE & BIKE FEEL PREFERENCE (OTHERS HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES, SEE BELOW) ***

For the ~ 5 pound weight penalty that comes with the KYB inserts/billet lugs, I think I want to make the AER forks work REALLY well w/ a revalve ---> The lightweight aspect is one of the reasons I wanted to try 19-22 KTMs --- and the extra weight on forks is not great for me/my setup preferences, especially on singletrack.

I'm now going to try Dialed Mfg's spring conversion kit that uses KYB cartridges/springs but doesn't use billet lugs to see if I can find a happier middle ground. More to come on this experiment whenever I can fit it in.

Either way, I am splitting hairs here - so be honest with yourself and stay out of your head or it will get very costly for MINIMAL gain - and a lot more weight if you're generally satisfied with stock AER forks. Obviously your mileage may vary ...

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aees wrote:
It's not a negative. I prefer the extra weight, bike is better balanced in the air and traction and corner entry feels much better. The WP single...

It's not a negative. I prefer the extra weight, bike is better balanced in the air and traction and corner entry feels much better. 

The WP single sided spring kit almost became to heavy when I tested it a few years ago, but not the dual spring. 

Awesome point - riding style / bike feel preferences play a major role here.

Hopefully the weight comparisons get you guys down your preferred paths.

* I added a few comments above to clarify who did my forks for comparison to Race Tech, etc. Also edited verbiage around bike preferences to de-bias my comments (I'm trying 19-22 KTMs primarily for weight reduction).

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I got a K Tec spring conversion including spring for $ 300.00

 

I'm pretty happy I found it with basically.43 mm spring. 

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