#16: MXGP of The Netherlands - August 17-18

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8/19/2024 3:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2024 3:27pm

I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own motos. De Wolf usually has enough speed to get to the front but Herlings usually cant catch Prado or Gajser unless it’s a sand track. They both get beat so bad off the line they are in last half way down the start straight 

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Talon wrote:
I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own...

I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own motos. De Wolf usually has enough speed to get to the front but Herlings usually cant catch Prado or Gajser unless it’s a sand track. They both get beat so bad off the line they are in last half way down the start straight 

Because then you have the least chance of an crash

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Talon wrote:
I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own...

I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own motos. De Wolf usually has enough speed to get to the front but Herlings usually cant catch Prado or Gajser unless it’s a sand track. They both get beat so bad off the line they are in last half way down the start straight 

mxxxeR1 wrote:

Because then you have the least chance of an crash

Uhhh. I kinda feel like most of their problems  are always in the first couple of corners 

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DeStouwer wrote:

If it wasn't for the sand, Arnhem would be the same as any parking lot track. Valkenswaard or Oss were way better venues.

The problem is those tracks are not available.  For sure there are better locations but there is no alternative in the netherlands at the moment with the combo of good track and a willing promoter. 

Of the issues Arnhem has i just dont see how they improve the logistics. The viewing can be improved with huge stands or a big hill at the backend, but not sure they will do. 

 

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DeStouwer wrote:

If it wasn't for the sand, Arnhem would be the same as any parking lot track. Valkenswaard or Oss were way better venues.

blueracer wrote:
I disagree. I have been to Valkenswaard twice, Oss once and Arnhem twice also. In my opinion, Valkenswaard was best for spectating but the track didn’t...

I disagree. I have been to Valkenswaard twice, Oss once and Arnhem twice also. In my opinion, Valkenswaard was best for spectating but the track didn’t offer the best racing (although this could have been because it was much colder/wetter and softer being in March). 

Arnhem has the best racing but you can only see one corner at a time of you don’t pay the extra 10 euros to be in the stands. However only watching one corner will still leave you amazed with how they ride so fast on such a rough/technical track. I watched 2 moto’s at the same corner (after the rollers) and I could have watched many more. Watching them go through that corner was something else with how technical it was. My opinion Arnhem has the the best racing with the track being so technical. 

Oss then sits exactly in the middle between these two tracks in terms of spectating and racing. 

Overall, I prefer Arnhem. The racing was incredible and watching Jeffrey blast around that track is something I will never forget. 

DeStouwer wrote:
Well, there we disagree, indeed.I've been going to Valkenswaard since 1996-ish, and I've never seen a boring race, not even when it was snowing or a...

Well, there we disagree, indeed.

I've been going to Valkenswaard since 1996-ish, and I've never seen a boring race, not even when it was snowing or a mudfest.

If you only can see one corner like you said, then how can it be a good track (spectator wise)? Even if the racing is good, it's still a poor track. And to charge the people an extra 10 euro for some stands that are not even meant for VIP's, is just a disgrace. That's like admitting "hey, we now you can't see shit here but we want you to pay extra on top of the 100 euro you already paid to enter the venue". And that's not counting the costs for camping or catering they made aswell.

I hope their contract won't get extended after next season.

The Netherlands has so many more beautiful sand tracks than Arnhem and Valkenswaard. But most courses belong to local associations and they can no longer financially support a GP. At the GP in Oss Evert Dollevoet was behind and in Arnhem Dik Wikeselaar. These are both wealthy entrepreneurs who are able to financially support and pre-finance such an event. There are plenty of examples of cross tracks that have almost gone under to organize an ONK, not even about a GP. Better tracks than Arnhem! of course Rheden, Lochem, Markelo, Lierop etc.

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alex69 wrote:
The Netherlands has so many more beautiful sand tracks than Arnhem and Valkenswaard. But most courses belong to local associations and they can no longer financially...

The Netherlands has so many more beautiful sand tracks than Arnhem and Valkenswaard. But most courses belong to local associations and they can no longer financially support a GP. At the GP in Oss Evert Dollevoet was behind and in Arnhem Dik Wikeselaar. These are both wealthy entrepreneurs who are able to financially support and pre-finance such an event. There are plenty of examples of cross tracks that have almost gone under to organize an ONK, not even about a GP. Better tracks than Arnhem! of course Rheden, Lochem, Markelo, Lierop etc.

Rhenen is by far the most beautiful track I've ever seen in The Netherlands.

8/20/2024 3:29am

Week-end full results 

MXGP overall 

1/1 = Jeffrey Herlings
2/2 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
4/3 = Tim Gajser 
3/4 = Glenn Coldenhoff 
5/5 = Romain Febvre 
6/6 = Jeremy Seewer
7/9 = Andrea Bonacorsi 
11/7 = Mattia Guadagnini 
8/10 = Kevin Horgmo 
9/11 = Alberto Forato 

Championship 

801 = Tim Gajser 
792 = Jorge Prado Garcia 
766 = Jeffrey Herlings 
550 = Calvin Vlaanderen 
547 = Jeremy Seewer 
495 = Glenn Coldenhoff 
492 = Romain Febvre 
359 = Kevin Horgmo 
306 = Valentin Guillod 
283 = Brian Bogers 

MX2 overall 

2/1 = Lucas Coenen 
1/4 = Kay De Wolf 
4/2 = Andrea Adamo 
5/3 = Camden Mc Lellan
3/7 = Liam Everts 
6/5 = Rick Elzinga 
10/6 = Sacha Coenen
8/9 = Mikkel Haarup 
9/10 = Simon Laengenfelder 
11/11 = Cas Valk 

Championship 

777 = Kay De Wolf 
733 = Lucas Coenen 
676 = Simon Laengenfelder 
636 = Liam Everts 
545 = Andrea Adamo 
542 = Mikkel Haarup 
492 = Rick Elzinga 
444 = Sacha Coenen
315 = Camden Mc Lellan 
290 = Ferruccio Zanchi 

EMX125 overall 

1/1 = Gyan Doensen
6/2 = Simone Mancini
2/6 = Noel Zanocz 
5/3 = Dani Heitink 
7/5 = Maximilian Ernecker
3/11 = Nicolo Alvisi
10/4 = Jakubs Kubulins 
8/7 = Cole McCullough 
9/8 = Dean Gregoire
11/9 = Douwe Van Mechgelen 

Championship 

322 = Noel Zanocz 
317 = Gyan Doensen 
283 = Simone Mancini 
231 = Francesco Bellei
213 = Salvador Perez
204 = Dani Heitink
185 = Mano Faure 
170 = Aron Katona
159 = Maximilian Ernecker 
148= Markuss Ozolins 

WMX overall 

1/1 = Lotte Van Drunen 
2/2 = Courntey Duncan 
3/4 = Lynn Valk
5/3 = Daniela Guillen
4/5 = Sara Andersen 
7/6 = Kiara Fontanesi 
8/8 = Larissa Papenmeier 
11/7 = Danee Gelissen 
9/9 = Malou Jakobsen 
10/10 = Amandine Verstappen 

Championship 

248 = Lotte Van Drunen
231 = Daniela Guillen
204 = Lynn Valk
192 = Kiara Fontanesi 
164 = Larissa Papenmeier 
162 = Sara Andersen 
152 = Courtney Duncan 
120 = Malou Jakobsen 
117 = Danee Gelissen 
94 = April Franzoni 







 

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Talon wrote:
I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own...

I’ll never understand why guys like Herlings and De Wolf choose to start on the very inside gate. They aren’t good starters and ruin there own motos. De Wolf usually has enough speed to get to the front but Herlings usually cant catch Prado or Gajser unless it’s a sand track. They both get beat so bad off the line they are in last half way down the start straight 

mxxxeR1 wrote:

Because then you have the least chance of an crash

Herlings is doing this for years already. Because he is no great starter, this way he can often turn really tight on the inside where most guys are running wide by the high speed. This way he often gains several positions again. I think it’s simply some kind of damage control.

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Mavetism wrote:
Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams...

Coenen brothers and de Wolf would be the future of MXGP. I'm really interested to see if they actually move to the US or if teams make sure to throw whatever money they have to keep them in europe..

ML512 wrote:

2026 in the USA for the Coenens, already locked in.

crusty_xx wrote:
Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US...

Any insight on Lucas' possible move to MXGP in 2025?
If he somehow ends up with the title he can't drop down to 250s in the US. Same as Prado

I heard Lucas will go 450 next year. Will both go the USA in 2026 on a red bike. 

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DeStouwer wrote:

Rhenen is by far the most beautiful track I've ever seen in The Netherlands.

I've been lucky enough to go a few of the tracks in NL (my favorite is Heerde), but the one commonality I see is that while the tracks i have visited  are great, there is not much parking or pit space at a lot of them.  

  Arnhem for example, is so tight that the riders paddock is ridiculously packed to the point where big rigs are parked sideways on the sand berms, and private racers have to park way away from the track.

I think more than a few tracks in Holland would be great alternate choices for MXGP, but they would have to figure out logistics first.  

 The only place with adequate parking seems to be Zwarte Cross - crazy idea, but I wonder if anyone ever thought to run a MXGP during that festival? No shortage of fans for sure...

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Brent wrote:
I've been lucky enough to go a few of the tracks in NL (my favorite is Heerde), but the one commonality I see is that while...

I've been lucky enough to go a few of the tracks in NL (my favorite is Heerde), but the one commonality I see is that while the tracks i have visited  are great, there is not much parking or pit space at a lot of them.  

  Arnhem for example, is so tight that the riders paddock is ridiculously packed to the point where big rigs are parked sideways on the sand berms, and private racers have to park way away from the track.

I think more than a few tracks in Holland would be great alternate choices for MXGP, but they would have to figure out logistics first.  

 The only place with adequate parking seems to be Zwarte Cross - crazy idea, but I wonder if anyone ever thought to run a MXGP during that festival? No shortage of fans for sure...

Valkenswaard has a LOT of space for the paddock, so I think they are still the best option. Lierop has a lot of space, but permits are the main issue. Arnhem has a lot of financial strength but lacks space. I agree that they have to work even more to make sure that people can see more of the track. They did create some more stands, but imo it was ridiculous to charge everyone 10 EUR more to be able to sit there. Just raise your entry price with 5 EUR and everyone will be able to attend if he wants to. Other than this, I think they improved a lot with their Logistics, camping, track, setup compared to last year.

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8/21/2024 12:02am

Just imagine if Arnhem would draw spectator numbers similar to Germany or France. It would be total chaos.

Teutschenthals announced 27.000. This weekend Arnhem published an interview in which they said last year had 7.000 .... 

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