Josh Grants hit on RV was.....

What other option did he have? He had to grab a handful of throttle to get up and over that jump. His other option would have been to stop and go around the jump and then everyone on here would be calling him a cheater.

grant said he did it on purpose so he hopefully wouldn't have to deal with rv in the nats.

I posted this in the ocscottie thread but what the heck.....

OK armchair racers....

I was sitting in the industry seats about 5 rows up from that very spot.
RV ran into the back of another guy in his heat and crashed exactly the same way.
In the main he did the same thing, rushed up the wall and slammed the guy ahead of him.
Grant came throught the sand and was on him immediately.

I was also in the FC pits after the race when Grant was asking if anybody knew how RV was.
It was not intentional, it was a racing incident.

Untwist your panties girls and pick another reason to bitch.

Watch it, jndmx.... They will call you stupid if you don't agree with them.

[quote="tlw109":10z0xz3h]Grant went between bike and rider and Villopoto was still hanging onto the bars.[/quote:10z0xz3h]

Well if RV was still holding on....then there is no "between bike and rider"
he simply choose to try knock his arms loose. (ie. run into him)

only person I am calling stupid is you and your logic.

Call me stupid all you want. I saw what I saw and gave my account.

[quote:9ptnxoim]I was sitting in the industry seats about [/quote:9ptnxoim]

oohhhhhh..,.indusrty seating. that settles it you must be right.

[quote="tlw109":2lcxyvya]What other option did he have? He had to grab a handful of throttle to get up and over that jump. His other option would have been to stop and go around the jump and then everyone on here would be calling him a cheater.[/quote:2lcxyvya]

He had time to slow down. He's looking right at RV when he visibly accelerates right into him.

I know in the heat of the moment he was just trying to win a supercross race, but it should never be so important that you don't mind ramming through someone with your motorcycle to get there.

[quote="BobbyM":1gpv7nsk][quote:1gpv7nsk]I was sitting in the industry seats about [/quote:1gpv7nsk]

oohhhhhh..,.indusrty seating. that settles it you must be right.[/quote:1gpv7nsk]

No it means I was sitting right where it happened.
[quote:1gpv7nsk]I was sitting in the industry seats [b:1gpv7nsk]about 5 rows up from that very spot[/b:1gpv7nsk].
[/quote:1gpv7nsk]

If you're going to quote me quote the whole sentence.
I know it isn't as much fun but it is more accurate.

It looked like a real bad decision on JG's part. I'm sure PC and RV's family was real happy with Josh's decision that could've ended RV's career.

[quote="BobbyM":2a508272][quote:2a508272]Not saying he did or didn't, I am not forming an opinion at all, [/quote:2a508272]


well form one dave.[/quote:2a508272]

LOL.

God forbid there be a dirt obstacle on the track...WTF were they thinking???

I wonder if Grant has ever used the brakes before? Even in a last blip of a second, he could of tried hard to use the brakes, so much that you could see him using them......didn't look like he even pulled the lever! He has plenty of time. IMO

I hope it wasn't intentional but I was sitting right there at the landing of the triple one corner over from the finish line corner and at first thought it looked intentional to me. I am not passing judgement and saying it was for sure but from my angle it looked like it could've been. Looked like he was accelerating right into RV and my first reaction was that he was trying to hurt him. I hope I was wrong!

That was a straight up wall, if he braked he would have been down just like poto. It looks to me like he tried to squeeze in between poto and his bike but his arm was still in the way. If you have a split second to make a decision I'm sure your instinks would tell you to pin it to avoid crashing.

[quote="2-smoke":o44wh4ce][quote="tlw109":o44wh4ce]How many of you guys saying it was an intentional hit were actually at the race??? The jump Villopoto feel on was a straight up wall that the guys had to hit pretty hard to get up and over. He fell directly in front of Grant in the main line that everyone was taking. Grant had no choice. It was either hit Villopoto's bike or go where he went and hope Villopoto rolled out of his way. It didn't quite work out. Grant flipped over the other side of the jump. Calling that intentional is a liitle much.[/quote:o44wh4ce]

We have a winner

Blame the AMA for the bonehead move to put a wall up in the middle of a SX track. It almost took the premier rider out of each class. Way to go AMA. I thought the AMA was trying to promote safety.[/quote:o44wh4ce]
Didn't JBS design the track?

I just rewatched the video again. I just don't think Grant is the sharpest tool in the shed. I really think he's on the level of a rock. I think he just reacted to get through. I don't think it was malicious at all but based on his previous antics I have read about, I don't thinks he is very bright or has any common sense. I think he saw light and "Went for it!" . Serious, after watching it again a few times, I don't think he thought of any of the consequences of his actions. Reminds me of Staten.

Again, video is going to make the race slower than it is. As EID said, angles will make a difference. Its easy to jump to conclusions.

[quote="BobbyM":36xgocmk]fuck yea it was intentional...duh. grant is a pussy, he knows it and we know it. skullfucking grant comes to mind real easy.[/quote:36xgocmk]
Bobby, that's way over the top, and I've booted people for a lot less.

Bring your A game, please...not your Z game.

All I have to say after watching that is I wonder how anyone calling themself a 'professional motorcycle racer' could, at the same time, claim not to have enough throttle control to avoid that collision. Grant *could* have avoided it if he wanted to. He didn't want to. Not saying he was deliberately trying to hurt anybody. Just saying he made a decision not to stop and wait for the way to clear. Could've been simply trying to head to the front, too.

It was a poor decision IMHO on Grants part.I'm sure he didn't want to hurt RV on purpose.He just didn't think.Looked like there was time to stop or slow considerably to change lines to me.That being said,a quick trip to RV's pit after the race by Grant to apologise and check on the guy would most likely settle the whole thing to everyones satisfaction. Hopefully he did.We don't know for sure.I know that Grant came up on me on the drop off blind downhill at Glen Helen right before the National last year.He passed me as we dropped over the hill and whipped his bike over in front of me and into me.We are in 3rd gear dropping blind and he hits my front tire with his rear wheel for no reason.I got really sketchy but somehow saved it and got absolutely no "sorry wave" or anything.He could have taken himself out for the National by whipping it over before he was clear. Poor decisions will catch up to you eventually, I'm afraid.

Just another take on the situation... but...

It would appear that he was trying to get between the bike & rider. It was the line he was in at the time.. and when you're racing you make quick decisions.

He could've thought that RV was going to be getting out of the way instead of holding onto his bike and blocking half the track (as he was blocking a large part of track) and figured he'd just ride between the two. RV didn't let go and by that time it was too late.

I know I've had a few calls where someone eats shit in front of me and I've had nowhere to go but in between them & their bike. Had they reached for their bike - would've been the same outcome as here...

[quote="guyb":2migild2][quote="BobbyM":2migild2]fuck yea it was intentional...duh. grant is a pussy, he knows it and we know it. skullfucking grant comes to mind real easy.[/quote:2migild2]
Bobby, that's way over the top, and I've booted people for a lot less.

Bring your A game, please...not your Z game.[/quote:2migild2]

BL never said nothing this bad, not saying boot Booby, just sayin. FREE LENNY!

More pussification of MX/SX . RV shouldn't have been out there if he wasn't ready.

[quote="ktm boy 137":2n7baxrw]Just another take on the situation... but...

It would appear that he was trying to get between the bike & rider. It was the line he was in at the time.. and when you're racing you make quick decisions.

He could've thought that RV was going to be getting out of the way instead of holding onto his bike and blocking half the track (as he was blocking a large part of track) and figured he'd just ride between the two. RV didn't let go and by that time it was too late.

I know I've had a few calls where someone eats shit in front of me and I've had nowhere to go but in between them & their bike. Had they reached for their bike - would've been the same outcome as here...[/quote:2n7baxrw]

[img:2n7baxrw]http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/crash82/wham.jpg[/img:2n7baxrw]

LOL, ya right, Josh is looking right at him, there's no room, he pulls the trigger, should have just used a gun, this is one time i agree with Bobby.

[quote="Crash82":sndro3lz][quote="ktm boy 137":sndro3lz]Just another take on the situation... but...

It would appear that he was trying to get between the bike & rider. It was the line he was in at the time.. and when you're racing you make quick decisions.

He could've thought that RV was going to be getting out of the way instead of holding onto his bike and blocking half the track (as he was blocking a large part of track) and figured he'd just ride between the two. RV didn't let go and by that time it was too late.

I know I've had a few calls where someone eats shit in front of me and I've had nowhere to go but in between them & their bike. Had they reached for their bike - would've been the same outcome as here...[/quote:sndro3lz]

[img:sndro3lz]http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/crash82/wham.jpg[/img:sndro3lz]

LOL, ya right, Josh is looking right at him, there's no room, he pulls the trigger, should have just used a gun, this is one time i agree with Bobby.[/quote:sndro3lz]
From that angle, you cannot accurately judge the distance from Josh's front wheel to RV's rear wheel.
You have a forced perspective because RV's bike is vertical while JG is horizontal.

no racer ever hits someone intentionaly....

Watching that clip and that picture does not give you any idea just how steep that jump was. There was one main rut coming from the turn up and over that "wall". Had Grant braked to avoid, he would not have been able to climb the "wall". TV is not doing justice on just how steep that thing was.

[quote:f69zxd00]Though he did not remount and finish, Villopoto text messaged TWMX on Sunday, indicating that he was uninjured and good to go for Indy next weekend. [/quote:f69zxd00]

From Transworld
[url:f69zxd00]http://www.transworldmotocross.com/gallery.jsp?ID=1000016898&imageNbr=1…]

when you fall on a MX track you become a traction enhancer,it can enhance it better or worse,depends on the skill of the rider that is running over you.

Grant did what RV woulda done,gassed it and tried to win,deal with it bitches.

RV has a voodoo curse on him for going to africa and killing animals that are endangered,his year is shot.