Where's the "there's no evidence" crowd

Edited Date/Time 8/8/2024 11:47am

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

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Bro....the crowd you speak of is interested in that type of info ONLY if it pertains to Trump.

 

It's pretty clever how they denied the obvious years ago and would shield themselves with "you have no evidence" but eventually when it comes out they shield themselves with "that's old news and move on"...

Zero accountability ever.

 

Can't fix crazy

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ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

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ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save his white elephant building in NY while he was part of Trump's WH staff, but there is nothing to see there. What happened with the news Trump got 10 million from Egypt in 2016? 

We can all play the "they are corrupt" game because they are all corrupt.

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8/12/2024 8:57am
ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

avidchimp wrote:
Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save...

Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save his white elephant building in NY while he was part of Trump's WH staff, but there is nothing to see there. What happened with the news Trump got 10 million from Egypt in 2016? 

We can all play the "they are corrupt" game because they are all corrupt.

What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's son who got millions for not having any experience in doing what he was supposedly paid to be doing. Pretty sure that if someone recognized your successful work and offered you a job at 2X the going rate because they knew it would get done right, that's a much different event than paying Hunter that same 2x industry standard if you got sick and quit.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

Have you listened to Biden brag how he got the prosecutor fired? You know, the one investigating Bursima.

This is just too easy folks. Fish in a barrel.

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ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases, the Vice President. 

This is going to be brought up in a court room very near to you. 

So, I’ve gotta ask: are you saying there’s nothing here? That this is ok? 

Again…Your own government is now pursuing this…from a “tax” stand point. 

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enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

avidchimp wrote:
Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save...

Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save his white elephant building in NY while he was part of Trump's WH staff, but there is nothing to see there. What happened with the news Trump got 10 million from Egypt in 2016? 

We can all play the "they are corrupt" game because they are all corrupt.

ToolMaker wrote:
What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's...

What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's son who got millions for not having any experience in doing what he was supposedly paid to be doing. Pretty sure that if someone recognized your successful work and offered you a job at 2X the going rate because they knew it would get done right, that's a much different event than paying Hunter that same 2x industry standard if you got sick and quit.

TM

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

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avidchimp wrote:
Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save...

Look, I say string them all up as they are all dirty. I mean Jared Kushner got 2 billion dollars from the Saudi's to help save his white elephant building in NY while he was part of Trump's WH staff, but there is nothing to see there. What happened with the news Trump got 10 million from Egypt in 2016? 

We can all play the "they are corrupt" game because they are all corrupt.

ToolMaker wrote:
What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's...

What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's son who got millions for not having any experience in doing what he was supposedly paid to be doing. Pretty sure that if someone recognized your successful work and offered you a job at 2X the going rate because they knew it would get done right, that's a much different event than paying Hunter that same 2x industry standard if you got sick and quit.

TM

avidchimp wrote:
All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so...

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's...

What's interesting about your comment is that The Trumps were doing multimillion dollar deals long before Trump was president. So business as usual. Unlike a politician's son who got millions for not having any experience in doing what he was supposedly paid to be doing. Pretty sure that if someone recognized your successful work and offered you a job at 2X the going rate because they knew it would get done right, that's a much different event than paying Hunter that same 2x industry standard if you got sick and quit.

TM

avidchimp wrote:
All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so...

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

AZ35 wrote:
The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades...

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

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avidchimp wrote:
All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so...

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

AZ35 wrote:
The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades...

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Side note, is it accurate to say your tax liability increase is due to Lorena Gonzelez and AB5, and not due to Trump? 

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ToolMaker wrote:
"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’""Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner...

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies’"

"Special Counsel: Hunter Biden Accepted Money to ‘Influence U.S. Government Agencies "Hunter Biden accepted $3,101,258 from Romanian partner Gabriel Popoviciu to “influence U.S. government agencies” when President Joe Biden served as vice president, Special Counsel David Weiss said in a Wednesday court filing."

enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

TeamGreen wrote:
You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases...

You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases, the Vice President. 

This is going to be brought up in a court room very near to you. 

So, I’ve gotta ask: are you saying there’s nothing here? That this is ok? 

Again…Your own government is now pursuing this…from a “tax” stand point. 

I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. 

Why did the right wing media keep saying Joe got money for so long. Where was that evidence? 

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avidchimp wrote:
All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so...

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

AZ35 wrote:
The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades...

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Have you ever been in business for yourself? Most people don't go in business to fail. Most businesses fail because they run out of cash. Most people believe in their business so much they seek "angle money" rather than quit. So your upset the "angel money" came from overseas?

TM 

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avidchimp wrote:
All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so...

All things being equal, Jared Kushner is another silver spoon kid who got in way over his head with buying 666 5th Ave and was so underwater when it came time to pay the mortgage due that he was about to be ruined, but somehow he was bailed out by Qatar not long after he made an official visit to the country while part of Trump's cabinet.

Look man, we can point fingers at all of them for shady shit, it's the incessant finger pointing at Biden's side all the while ignoring the shit that went on when Trump was in the WH with his family. How about trademarkss Ivanka received while visiting China while on official business? 

"The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 election, according to a new book by Forbes'"

AZ35 wrote:
The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades...

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

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AZ35 wrote:
The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades...

The difference in your examples are that in the incidents related to Trump were for legitimate businesses. Kushers have been doing business in NY for decades, and Ivanka was getting patents and the products she has been selling for many years prior to Trump being POTUS.

In the Biden business dealings, the only "business" they were selling was access and connections to the WH. They had no actual business product or service other than the name and the doors that opened. 

avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Titan1 wrote:
Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s...

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

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avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Titan1 wrote:
Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s...

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a loan until you don't need the loan. So, businesses go to venture capitol. People who have lots of money and willing to take risk, big risk. But for that risk they take a huge chunk of your ownership and very high rates. Why? Because they like money. And sometimes, a very good business runs out of money just before they can make profit. So not being able to get a bank loan means nothing. You have no idea what the potential was/is 6 months after, 12 months after, 5 years after. A bank does not have the flexibility to loan money without a very high expectation they will get their payments plus a 10%ish return. While angel money expects 2x,3x,5x return. So Jared being Jared, pitches his business to an entity that has a lot of money and WANTS to invest it with proven winners. You ever hear of T. Boon Pickens? He used to buy up companies that were struggling and could not get financing. Then he'd sell off the company parts at a time and make more than he paid for the whole. Because some companies are actually worth more that their book value to the right investor.

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Titan1 wrote:
Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s...

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

ToolMaker wrote:
You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a...

You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a loan until you don't need the loan. So, businesses go to venture capitol. People who have lots of money and willing to take risk, big risk. But for that risk they take a huge chunk of your ownership and very high rates. Why? Because they like money. And sometimes, a very good business runs out of money just before they can make profit. So not being able to get a bank loan means nothing. You have no idea what the potential was/is 6 months after, 12 months after, 5 years after. A bank does not have the flexibility to loan money without a very high expectation they will get their payments plus a 10%ish return. While angel money expects 2x,3x,5x return. So Jared being Jared, pitches his business to an entity that has a lot of money and WANTS to invest it with proven winners. You ever hear of T. Boon Pickens? He used to buy up companies that were struggling and could not get financing. Then he'd sell off the company parts at a time and make more than he paid for the whole. Because some companies are actually worth more that their book value to the right investor.

TM

T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited their wealth. Apples to oranges.

One thing I've noticed is some people will go to any length possible to spin the Trump side as just being good business people (which they aren't), but yet every single person they don't agree with on "the other side" is a scammer and criminal no matter the context or relevancy.

I don't see too many people going to the mat to defend that entitled shit Hunter or Dementia Joe for that matter, but that's the difference i guess, some of us can just call a spade a spade no matter who it is.

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avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

ToolMaker wrote:
You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a...

You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a loan until you don't need the loan. So, businesses go to venture capitol. People who have lots of money and willing to take risk, big risk. But for that risk they take a huge chunk of your ownership and very high rates. Why? Because they like money. And sometimes, a very good business runs out of money just before they can make profit. So not being able to get a bank loan means nothing. You have no idea what the potential was/is 6 months after, 12 months after, 5 years after. A bank does not have the flexibility to loan money without a very high expectation they will get their payments plus a 10%ish return. While angel money expects 2x,3x,5x return. So Jared being Jared, pitches his business to an entity that has a lot of money and WANTS to invest it with proven winners. You ever hear of T. Boon Pickens? He used to buy up companies that were struggling and could not get financing. Then he'd sell off the company parts at a time and make more than he paid for the whole. Because some companies are actually worth more that their book value to the right investor.

TM

avidchimp wrote:
T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited...

T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited their wealth. Apples to oranges.

One thing I've noticed is some people will go to any length possible to spin the Trump side as just being good business people (which they aren't), but yet every single person they don't agree with on "the other side" is a scammer and criminal no matter the context or relevancy.

I don't see too many people going to the mat to defend that entitled shit Hunter or Dementia Joe for that matter, but that's the difference i guess, some of us can just call a spade a spade no matter who it is.

Again, you're making the argument against yourself. I don't know anything about Jared, That he's good or bad. What I'm saying is you cannot connect that Jared got the deal because Trump was President. Jared was already in a high stakes business. It's funny how the left likes to claim Russia owned Trump because he already had deals with these dubious countries. And then claim he only got deals with these dubious countries because he was president. Which is it? He already had ties or he didn't? The story keeps changing as the wind blows. Banks loan money based on P&Ls rich people invest money based on your reputation.

TM

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avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

ToolMaker wrote:
You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a...

You see how you're making the argument against yourself here right? Most businesses will not qualify for a loan because the banks won't give you a loan until you don't need the loan. So, businesses go to venture capitol. People who have lots of money and willing to take risk, big risk. But for that risk they take a huge chunk of your ownership and very high rates. Why? Because they like money. And sometimes, a very good business runs out of money just before they can make profit. So not being able to get a bank loan means nothing. You have no idea what the potential was/is 6 months after, 12 months after, 5 years after. A bank does not have the flexibility to loan money without a very high expectation they will get their payments plus a 10%ish return. While angel money expects 2x,3x,5x return. So Jared being Jared, pitches his business to an entity that has a lot of money and WANTS to invest it with proven winners. You ever hear of T. Boon Pickens? He used to buy up companies that were struggling and could not get financing. Then he'd sell off the company parts at a time and make more than he paid for the whole. Because some companies are actually worth more that their book value to the right investor.

TM

avidchimp wrote:
T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited...

T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited their wealth. Apples to oranges.

One thing I've noticed is some people will go to any length possible to spin the Trump side as just being good business people (which they aren't), but yet every single person they don't agree with on "the other side" is a scammer and criminal no matter the context or relevancy.

I don't see too many people going to the mat to defend that entitled shit Hunter or Dementia Joe for that matter, but that's the difference i guess, some of us can just call a spade a spade no matter who it is.

Also, the example wasn't the person, it was the business model. Turning it into the person seems diversionary.

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enketchum wrote:
ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change...

ooh, ooh, that's me you're talking about. 

When are they going to tell us which government agencies he influenced ? What did the department of state change after being influenced ? 

TeamGreen wrote:
You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases...

You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases, the Vice President. 

This is going to be brought up in a court room very near to you. 

So, I’ve gotta ask: are you saying there’s nothing here? That this is ok? 

Again…Your own government is now pursuing this…from a “tax” stand point. 

enketchum wrote:
I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. Why did the right wing media keep...

I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. 

Why did the right wing media keep saying Joe got money for so long. Where was that evidence? 

The evidence is in the federal governments case. As for what other “after the fact” evidence that you want? 
It seems you want proof that anything actually was influenced? How about the simple primise that he’s selling said influence from the onset? Is that lost on you?

It’s like your saying it didn’t happen…at all…? 

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8/13/2024 9:28am
avidchimp wrote:
T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited...

T. Boone Pickens, that's a good one. One is a self-made man who built his own empire, and then you have Jared, like Donald, who inherited their wealth. Apples to oranges.

One thing I've noticed is some people will go to any length possible to spin the Trump side as just being good business people (which they aren't), but yet every single person they don't agree with on "the other side" is a scammer and criminal no matter the context or relevancy.

I don't see too many people going to the mat to defend that entitled shit Hunter or Dementia Joe for that matter, but that's the difference i guess, some of us can just call a spade a spade no matter who it is.

"but that's the difference i guess, some of us can just call a spade a spade no matter who it is."

Around here, we just call it a fucking shovel. 

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8/13/2024 10:29am
TeamGreen wrote:
You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases...

You have him on the record accepting money from foreign entities for the sake of being the guy sitting next to the President…amd in some cases, the Vice President. 

This is going to be brought up in a court room very near to you. 

So, I’ve gotta ask: are you saying there’s nothing here? That this is ok? 

Again…Your own government is now pursuing this…from a “tax” stand point. 

enketchum wrote:
I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. Why did the right wing media keep...

I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. 

Why did the right wing media keep saying Joe got money for so long. Where was that evidence? 

TeamGreen wrote:
The evidence is in the federal governments case. As for what other “after the fact” evidence that you want? It seems you want proof that anything actually...

The evidence is in the federal governments case. As for what other “after the fact” evidence that you want? 
It seems you want proof that anything actually was influenced? How about the simple primise that he’s selling said influence from the onset? Is that lost on you?

It’s like your saying it didn’t happen…at all…? 

It's a whataboutism from me, but this shit happens constantly, every day in the government and Hunter isn't even an elected official nor did he work for the government. Why are they only going after Hunter about this? 

Also, when did he pay Joe? Fox News wouldn't shut up about that for a long time. i'm just sick of it

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8/13/2024 10:36am
avidchimp wrote:
And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle...

And Jared's business in NY got him over his head with no way out other than to lose the building, then one trip to the middle east when he is the Presidents Son in Law and boom, he gets funding to save the building. If you don't think access to Trump was a quid pro quo for both Ivanka and Jared during his time in the W.H. then I don't know what to say.

Biden's are just as guilty. String em all up.

Titan1 wrote:
Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s...

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

You honestly can't see that Hunter was selling nothing but access to the VPOTUS...and Jared was offering an investment in an actual business, with real property as collateral?  you think that's the same thing? 

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enketchum wrote:
I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. Why did the right wing media keep...

I don't simp for Hunter. I'm interested what he did after getting the money. I don't believe he influenced anything. 

Why did the right wing media keep saying Joe got money for so long. Where was that evidence? 

TeamGreen wrote:
The evidence is in the federal governments case. As for what other “after the fact” evidence that you want? It seems you want proof that anything actually...

The evidence is in the federal governments case. As for what other “after the fact” evidence that you want? 
It seems you want proof that anything actually was influenced? How about the simple primise that he’s selling said influence from the onset? Is that lost on you?

It’s like your saying it didn’t happen…at all…? 

enketchum wrote:
It's a whataboutism from me, but this shit happens constantly, every day in the government and Hunter isn't even an elected official nor did he work...

It's a whataboutism from me, but this shit happens constantly, every day in the government and Hunter isn't even an elected official nor did he work for the government. Why are they only going after Hunter about this? 

Also, when did he pay Joe? Fox News wouldn't shut up about that for a long time. i'm just sick of it

I’m wondering if you’re serious…? 

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Titan1 wrote:
Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s...

Business is all about who you know…every notable public figure and their relatives leverage their name.  If they are leveraging for a legit business purpose, that’s different than leveraging it for money in exchange for access to the VPOTUS and nothing else.

avidchimp wrote:
In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on...

In a normal world, yes, but Jared couldn't get one bank world wide to bite on his loan proposal because he was so upside down on 666 5'th ave, but as soon as Trump becomes POTUS Jared goes to Qatar on official business of the WH and comes home with almost 2b in financing. Yeah, that sounds super legit.

Look, the only problem with Hunter was he was too stupid to do it on the low like everyone else who came before him.

Titan1 wrote:
You honestly can't see that Hunter was selling nothing but access to the VPOTUS...and Jared was offering an investment in an actual business, with real property...

You honestly can't see that Hunter was selling nothing but access to the VPOTUS...and Jared was offering an investment in an actual business, with real property as collateral?  you think that's the same thing? 

Perhaps for the 5th Ave. issue, but Kushner wasn't offering an investment with property as collateral for the $2B he got from the Saudi PIF.  

He was given around $2B to invest, with hefty 'management fees', but hasn't invested much of it at all.  And Kushner had pretty much no experience running a private equity fund, so there's that similarity to the Hunter Biden story.........

 

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Do we need evidence?

Sleepy Joe has never had a job in his life and is somehow worth MILLIONS.....ya'll think he got that off a measly Elected Officials salary? 

Give me a fucking break.  Dudes as greasy as anyone walking the planet but the brainless followers still wanna act like Trump is the bad guy cause he's rich, at least Trump got rich the old fashioned way and not just from being a crooked politician.

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LungButter wrote:
Do we need evidence?Sleepy Joe has never had a job in his life and is somehow worth MILLIONS.....ya'll think he got that off a measly Elected...

Do we need evidence?

Sleepy Joe has never had a job in his life and is somehow worth MILLIONS.....ya'll think he got that off a measly Elected Officials salary? 

Give me a fucking break.  Dudes as greasy as anyone walking the planet but the brainless followers still wanna act like Trump is the bad guy cause he's rich, at least Trump got rich the old fashioned way and not just from being a crooked politician.

If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he is both, but he somehow cobbled enough braincells together to make hay while the sun was shining.

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If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he...

If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he is both, but he somehow cobbled enough braincells together to make hay while the sun was shining.

I'm sure you're right and it's all legit....no sneaky underhanded dealings at all.

I'm sure you also believe that Kumswallow got to where she is on accomplishments and merit as well?

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8/13/2024 1:02pm
If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he...

If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he is both, but he somehow cobbled enough braincells together to make hay while the sun was shining.

LungButter wrote:
I'm sure you're right and it's all legit....no sneaky underhanded dealings at all.I'm sure you also believe that Kumswallow got to where she is on accomplishments...

I'm sure you're right and it's all legit....no sneaky underhanded dealings at all.

I'm sure you also believe that Kumswallow got to where she is on accomplishments and merit as well?

I don't know if all his income is legit. I do know he had multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs.

And it is pronounced Kamabla.

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8/13/2024 1:04pm
LungButter wrote:
Do we need evidence?Sleepy Joe has never had a job in his life and is somehow worth MILLIONS.....ya'll think he got that off a measly Elected...

Do we need evidence?

Sleepy Joe has never had a job in his life and is somehow worth MILLIONS.....ya'll think he got that off a measly Elected Officials salary? 

Give me a fucking break.  Dudes as greasy as anyone walking the planet but the brainless followers still wanna act like Trump is the bad guy cause he's rich, at least Trump got rich the old fashioned way and not just from being a crooked politician.

If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he...

If you aren't a millionaire after scoring multimillion dollar book deals and speaking gigs, you'd have to be some sort of retard. In Biden's case, he is both, but he somehow cobbled enough braincells together to make hay while the sun was shining.

40 years in the highest elected offices in the US and he's only worth 10 million? Holy shit, he is a loser. The poorest Senator is worth 20 mil. 

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