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It also takes time to retire, you have to apply for it and have it approved. His retirement date was over a month before his unit was informed they'd be going.
I do find it funny that Vance draws the line at "being in a combat zone" and not "being in combat" for service to be legitimate, because Vance never fought either.
IMO, a Vet is a Vet, anyone who joins up to defend their country deserves the respect that comes with it. Why are we splitting hairs here?
Bro, he gave 24 years. If that’s not enough we’ll need your DD-214.
Bro, I freely admit, I didn’t choose to serve. I was stupid and selfish enough I wanted to stick around and race. Yes, I was one of those that thought I could go pro, but didn’t have the talent. I apologize if that offends you.
I can guarantee you this, though. If I had, I wouldn’t have sucked a check off the country for 24 years and then bailed when there was work to do, and made up stories about carrying a weapon into war.
And again, I’m not your down vote.
No one gives two shits you chose racing over serving but to state that you – a person who was never in the military – knows that you would be a better serviceman than the guy who gave a quarter of a century to service is absolutely pathetic.
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Not offended at all by you not serving. If that were the case, I’d be pissed at 96% of the country!
However, stating how you would behave after 24 years in a job you never held is a reach. Military service is like no other profession, in both good and bad ways. I’d be a fool to say I could have gone pro as a racer when I never attempted to ride at that level. Same logic applies to Walz.
It's not the 24 years. It's that he claimed being in war to garner more respect and credibility for him and his cause.
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Evidently he did, he asked to see my DD-214.
And all I said was I’d finish the job I started. And I would have.
I do know that I’ve never sucked up the gravy and then left when things got tough.
This must be some of that weird Republican shit everyone is talking...
Gworm: I chose to race, not to serve, but I know I'd serve better than the guy who did it for 24 years.
LoudLove: Prove it.
Gworm: I can't because I never did it, but I know I could do it better. I wouldn't quit when things got tough.
LoudLove: Prove it.
Gworm: I can't. I know though I'd be better.
The fact that you guys can't just be thankful that someone dedicated 24 years of their lives to serving in the military and have to go weeding through the smallest of shit to avoiding thanking him shows you how utterly pathetic you've all become. But blah blah blah he retired around 40 years old after 24 years doing the fucking job and didn't go shoot his gun in the absolute dumb shit cluster fuck war, blah fucking blah.
You can show me where I said I’d do better?
You need to grow up and stop adding things to what was said.
I think you need to change your Timpon
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Nice to see you got the Dem talking points… weird.
Perhaps that is true. But to claim how you would behave when you never held the honor of serving is disingenuous at best and somewhat insulting to those who did raise their right hand.
Let’s admit that these are political arguments. Walz’ record would be defended with vigor if he were Trump’s running mate. Most on this board feel that Walz bailed when the going got tough. I have almost no insight into those circumstances, but if you’re gonna chastise a man, it’s best to have some level of experience.
You can show me where I said I’d do better?
"I do know that I’ve never sucked up the gravy and then left when things got tough."
I think you need to change your Timpon
And I think you need to show those who have served some fucking respect.
So you can see what I actually said several posts ago…
I agree on respecting their service.
What I was getting at is he is on tape talking about how the same weapons he carried into war shouldn’t be in the hands of us common folk.
He was never on a war zone.
He also has lied about his rank when he retired, and even though he was eligible, he never completed the paperwork for a promotion, and was supposedly downgraded when he retired early
You can show me where I said I’d do better?
"I do know that I’ve never sucked up the gravy and then left when things got tough."
I didn’t ask to show me where I said I’d finish the job.
I know how I behave when things get tough. Been there a lot in my life.
Tell the troops he abandoned what is more insulting.
Neither was Cadet Bone spur who denigrated "loser" soldiers who died in conflict, all the while pulling every string in the book to get out of serving his country in a time of need, but ya'll just over here eating up everything the dude says.
You can't make this shit up.
"Unlike that quitter Tim I'd (do better) and finish the job".
But me Gworm know I do better! I better than Tim! Call Wombat Tampon, call wombat Tampon! Sad state of affairs when the so called patriots that roam the halls of non-moto (particularly the ones that chose dream chasing over service) have the nerve to not only avoid showing any respect for someone that served for 24 years but go out of their way to claim they could do what said person couldn't do.
Now do that using only my words.
And since I was asked by LL, and you denigrated me for not serving, let’s see your DD-214.
I promise I will thank you for your service.
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Show me where I denigrated you for not serving.
Your posts about Walz’ service inferred that you had “been there, done that”, hence the DD-214 reference. I did not know if you were a veteran, but you spoke as if you were. The request was not meant to denigrate you.
I’ll take you at your word that you saw an inference that I served, I reread my posts and didn’t see it, but that’s not to say that it didn’t come across that way.
But I have “been there, done that” and finished the tough job a lot of times in my life. As have most of us.
And I also didn’t mean to imply that you denigrated me for that. But I do think anyone who read all the posts could infer that AKW was denigrating me, even though he didn’t use my name and is trying to imply he didn’t. Although maybe not.
Reads like a Kamala word salad speech.
Wouldn't worry about it much, It's kind of a SOP. But if you help the homeless, you could be a good person too.
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And modest, too!
Show me where I denigrated you.
Bro....you absolutely haven't "been there and done that" in regards to military service....unless you've been in the military.
Bro,
I respect those who have served. I’m guessing you must be one. But there are a lot of other things in life that are tough.
Edit:
Also, I didn’t say I had been there and done that in regards to the military.
In all fairness, I don't think that Marla and Melania overlapped. I could be wrong, but it seemed like there was a gap between those two.
Apparently this seems to be the statement that got everyone's panties in a wad.
"I can guarantee you this, though. If I had, I wouldn’t have sucked a check off the country for 24 years and then bailed when there was work to do, and made up stories about carrying a weapon into war. "
Firstly, I don't think anyone is claiming their life is equal to that of a military service. However, because someone didn't serve in the military does not mean that they didn't face adversity in their own life that defines their character. One can have a character that takes on responsibility vs lets others take on the responsibility. I don't know Gworm personally, I don't know his struggles. But his statement also has a qualifier which many of you choose to ignore. He did write that he wouldn't bail and then make up stories like he was there. I believe the bigger problem is that Walz lied about it after the fact to gain respect he was not entitled to for him and his cause. The same as LungButter wrote with one change.
Actual quote "Bro....you absolutely haven't "been there and done that" in regards to military service....unless you've been in the military."
Modified quote "Bro....you absolutely haven't "been there and done that" in regards to war....unless you've been in the war."
I don't think anyone disputes that someone who's actually experienced war has a unique experience that cannot be acquired doing anything else.
I also don't think experiencing war is the only way to acquire character.
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