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I find it disrespectful for someone to join our community to covertly advertise a bogus product.
Based on the answers I received in this thread about the App, I think this app would add confusion for suspension adjustment. At the very least it's not as good as any OEM service manual.
Was my tire example any different than the clicker app?
I think people underestimate the potential risks of any download.
As a word of caution for anyone that might not know, when you download an App there is a risk that you are also downloading malware or that the app has potential to harvest your information (Location, log ins, social media friends, camera, etc.).
Going to try this out!! I never mess with my clickers but know I'm missing out by not doing so, so the less confusing the better.
I have a bunch of buddies who have no clue what does what, don't give a fuck figuring it out and don't even bother opening the book their austrian gem comes with -and which has a rather detailed suspension chapter. If it's not good, they send their forks and shock to a renowned tuner and put them back on without even doing the preload, basta. In the end, they write "WP really is crap" on a forum. NOTHING can help these dudes, lol...
I think he was giving him a hard time because this is blatantly spam.
Dude has no history on the forum and is only here to promote some App while trying to act like he isn't part of it and just a fan of it.
If dude would just be honest and say "Hey check out my app" he might not get the dick comments that a spammer deserves.
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Yes, downloading obvious spam is a bad idea.
ok, so you can start a forum/topic for sole purpose of saling your used YZ 250 two-stroke, in exchange for money, but I cannot start a forum/topic to talk suspension and get people to know a free app which will make their lives easier and, most importantly, safer. Got it.
Disrispectful is to call the app a "bogus" product, when I am replying all questions and issues you raised. Why are you so pissed off? A product is something which is offered into the marketplace. Clickers MX App is a gift to the Motocross Community, out of love. Honestly.
And just so everyone knows, there is no malware coming from the Google Play store or the Apple Store. That is crazy, to say the least.
With your comment with the tire app, you are just trying to ridiculize an effort to help the motocross community. I believe my replies have showcased the struggles that riders come accross with suspension testing. At least, you have not provided a reply to prove me wrong.
Okay, now you are dictating the words that must be written for anybody who wants to have a forum where people can talk suspension easily by way of using a Free App. Keep going.
Blatant spam you say. I couldn't disagree more. I would use your line "Hey check out my app" if it was offered for use under payment, BUT AGAIN is freaking FREE. With nearly 600 users just in the USA, I thought I would ask if anybody "with history on the forum"
like you would say is using it. It is a way to communicate and help users if they so need.
It is my right to start a topic/forum. And you are just not a nice person to call anybody a spammer.
ok, so you can start a forum/topic for sole purpose of saling your used YZ 250 two-stroke, in exchange for money, but I cannot start a forum/topic to talk suspension and get people to know a free app which will make their lives easier and, most importantly, safer. Got it.
There is a For Sale forum specifically for selling your product or items. You're more than welcome to start a discussion. Unfortunately for you this discussion proved your product offers no benefit.
Disrispectful is to call the app a "bogus" product, when I am replying all questions and issues you raised. Why are you so pissed off? A product is something which is offered into the marketplace. Clickers MX App is a gift to the Motocross Community, out of love. Honestly.
The fact that you replied does not mean your answers were of any value. Just like if an app exists doesn't mean it does anything of value.
And just so everyone knows, there is no malware coming from the Google Play store or the Apple Store. That is crazy, to say the least.
There are several App Scams out there. Based on the screenshot you shared the information is wrong (clicker all the way turned in is NOT the standard setting for any legitimate MX bike). Why risk the download when your app doesn't have anything useful?
With your comment with the tire app, you are just trying to ridiculize an effort to help the motocross community.
I summarized all your comments and changed "Clickers" to "Tires", glad we agree on something (that it is ridiculous).
I believe my replies have showcased the struggles that riders come accross with suspension testing. At least, you have not provided a reply to prove me wrong.
I'd be impressed if you had showcased a solution, as promised by your claims.
Hope this clears things up! Good luck with your programming career and thanks for visiting the Vitards.
There are a lot of great resources for suspension adjustment, the OEM service manuals and Race Tech are excellent places to start.
I can understand that side of it. But at least he’s here discussing why he feels the app is beneficial to the moto community. He didn’t just advertise a product then disappear. Plus it’s a free app. I guess if he wants to beat the guy down at least attack him from the spam aspect of it. He does legitimately seem like he’s put some time and thought into the app, which in my opinion deserves credit.
Waiting to hear the reply to this question. The app calculates nonlinear rates of change based solely on the number of clicks?
There’s ways to use this forum for your product correctly, and ways that are incorrect. You did the latter entirely. Are there guys being a little more rude than is absolutely needed? Sure but in their defense you jumped in here pretending like you just discovered this great app that you also just so happened to create, and then you argued with people that gave valid criticisms of the app instead of taking their feedback and saying “at the moment the app is designed to cater to more basic users, but in the future we hope to integrate more of these expert features.” You also name dropped the mod of this forum as while advertising your product without paying the advertising fee that supports this site.
I’m not trying to be rude because this app in its current state could be useful for the significantly more novice users who may have not have the bikes owners manual and definitely don’t write down their settings on their fork sticker or in a book. But there’s absolutely valid criticisms here that you’re just brushing off/arguing against instead of taking that as feedback for future iterations or even maybe a paid “pro version.”
Not off to a good start, in many ways…
Was curious so I downloaded the app but all I get is a white screen after signing up
I am curious as well about the clicker to percentage and how that was calculated for non linear spring rate and would like to see it if I can get in…
The updated app is coming Friday...
Hello there,
Thank you for your side interpretation of the facts, and I thank you for your will not to be rude. However, IMO your are sentencing way off. You are dictating how things must be done, assuming you're some sort of know-it-all master of Idon'tknowwhat. Not trying to be rude either, goes without saying.
That being said, I will say that I did not "jump in here". You sound like you own the freaking site and that I started a topic unlawfully. Are you reading yourself? Thought America was the land of the free.
Secondly, you're putting in words which I did not write. I never said "Oh, I just discovered this app". That is a false statement, and seemingly in bad faith.
As I said, you're dictating your own interpretation of the facts, claiming that I am not taking "valid criticism" of the app, where they are not coming from actual use, but they are directly criticising its nature and/or intended purpose. If you consider that valid criticism, allow me to argue that you're totally wrong.
Just like when you say the app is no good because you can write down your settings on a sticker or on a book, do you realize the millions of things apps do but you can still do as if it was 1979? You don't need google maps mate, simply get a paper map and enjoy the journey.
Saying that you don't have to use a free app because you can write down your base settings on your forks... please explain how that is valid criticism.
Come think of it, what would be the correct way, in your own terms, to start a Forum to find out if someone here is using the app?
INTRO.- Hi Guys, anyone using the Clickers MX App? (perhaps I should have given myself credit for making it? - how about "Hi Guys, anyone using MY Clickers MX App"? Would have that made you happy?
SUMMARY OF WHAT IT DOES.-
1. CONVERSION TOOL
it converts clicks into percentages, which helps understand the settings you have in your suspension. For example, instead of talking about 15 clicks out, the app tells you that your fork is at 60% of its compression force, or rebound speed, whatever it is.
What would you have written?
2. KEEPS YOUR BASE SETTINGS SAFE AND TELLS YOU HOW TO GET BACK TO THEM
Best of all, it takes you back to your base settings when you need them, and tells you the number of clicks/quarters of a turn and the direction (clockwise/counterclockwise) to go back to them. Easy as pie.
What would you have written?
3. HELPS YOU TO CHECK THE BALANCE
It also allows you to check the balance between the front and the rear suspension.
It is pretty basic but defenitely a solid foundation for a better understanding of how to find your best settings. And it is free. Save seconds a lap without spending a buck.
What would you have written?
In all honesty, I believe myself to be nobody to dictate people how they should express themselves, and in consequence of that, I don't think anyone is entitled to reproch on fellow riders how they start a topic/forum, or their non-seniority in the site.
Last, but not less, about the payment of an advertisement fee, this site feeds on advertisement. If I get people to interact, the site benefits from that, obvioulsy. How can I pay to adversite an app that is free and has no banners with ads and all that? IT IS MY GIFT TO THE MOTOCROSS COMMUNITY.
I do hope that we can talk suspension instead of trash on people trying to help the motocross community.
The app does not do nor calculate the adjustment, the rider or the suspension tech do that.
The app simply helps you have your base settings secure, as well as your current settings. When you do an adjustment, you can use the app to update your current settings, so you always know what your settings are when you go out riding. Non-linear rates, you still have to write down the setting you are using.
You can use the free app or, as some criticise here, use a pen and a piece of paper instead. That is everyone's choice, of course.
It's main purpose is to raise awareness about suspension settings, so that they know where they are using. I have come across riders who had 0 clicks on the fork rebound, and they totally understood the situation when the app showed them they had 0% of rebound speed. Everybody understands the language of percentages. For example, when someone sells a bike and claims that tires are at 80%, that gives you an estimate. Now imagine that same info in terms of usable knobbies.
Hope I replied your question.
Hi Brocster,
I can help you, please send me a screenshot at info@clickersapp.com
I just replied the non-linear question already a moment ago.
No the Clickers MX App, no updates in sight
Wait, I am lost here. How is a certified app "obvious spam"?
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I don’t see how this is helpful at all honestly. All you’ve done is create a way to track suspension adjustments. I can do the same thing in the moto slacker app or in my notepad. I can do very simple math if I want to convert the clicks into percentages. As far as the balance figures unless you can enter the shim stacks and spring rates it’s going to do nothing to tell you how your balance is.
you would have had a better response of your first post was ‘hey guys I made this app, tell me what you think?’ It feels like you are being disingenuous.
I wish you luck.
I miss Motodrive.
Correct it’s just another platform to enter data in a different way but It is 100% no different than keeping a log on a pen and paper as I have done for the last 30 years. Numbers are numbers and can be related to each other or anything you want. There is nothing special there with his % since it’s not a true percentage that has been calculated out with the proper variables included to give you correct “balance”. Apps are where it’s at I guess. Given the first hiccup and what it can actually do for me, I am going to pass.
Downloaded. I'll try it out after I recover from injury. Thank you
You mentioned % of comp. But did you base that on a dyno plot? Or did you say 50% because you are 10 out of 20 clicks for example. It doesnt work the latter.
Hi man, thanks for your message.
Yes, it is an app for keeping track of the adjustments you make to your bike's suspension. But also a 'pocket notebook' where you can keep your base settings secure and at your disposal. Plus, it tells you how the adjustments must be made so all you have to do is follow the indications. It also haves a database with motocross tracks worldwide.
But there is people out there on a dirt bike who have no clue what settings they have on their suspension. I knew that if I made an complex app it would deter the people who need it the most from using it.
I honestly feel I am being bashed for no reason other than I made something wishing it helped the motocross community - obvioulsy not the expert tunners, shimstacks gurus, and so on. I just wanted to know if anyone was using it as a starting point of the topic, which is the app itself. Guess that's offensive to some.
Thanks again.
Hi Phillip,
the app converts clicks and quarters of a turn into percentages, which everyone will understand.
In my experience, most people don't understand how clicks work, and some are misled by indications like "+ REB" which can be understood as "morerebound" when in reality is quite the opposite - less rebound speed. So the app's intention is that nobody gets hurt, to beging with.
Actually, in the logo you will find indications such as how to apply more or less rebound speed (less speed, turn adjuster clockwise - more speed, turn adjuster counterclockwise):
Of course, this may seem ridiculous to some. But this is an effort trying to help the majority of riders, like people who buy used bikes. They have to check its settings before riding the thing. They could find out that the rear suspension is way off rebound-wise if compared to the front suspension, for instance.
The fact that damping has an efect on compression which is opposite to the efect it does on rebound is, per se, something that must not be taken lightly. A pen and a notebook, like some suggest, will not help you avoid a fatal mistake like assuming that more clicks on rebound have the same effect as more clicks on compression, when it is quite the opposite. Safety first, people!
In practice, the percentages help riders to be clear on this. The same clicks will increase the rebound speed %, but will lower the compression force %. If riders can keep track of their rebound speed, they will notice without a doubt if it is at 20%, for instance - which is not ideal, to say the least.
Therefore, if compression force is shown at 60%, riders will understand perfectly what that means. They just have to lower or raise that percentage, and the app will tell them the number of clicks you have to adjust and the direction of the adjustment using graphic user interfaces, thus eliminating any risk of doing the opposite of what they intended to do. Same goes for the High Speed Compression and the rebound.
So no dynos involved. Just like no tire pressure, Triple Clamps friction, Air pressure with ramping heat, etc. Let's take baby steps first. As I said, this is for people who need help, not for the riders who are killing it on the track with the best settings.
Let me know if I can be of any more assistance!
Hi man,
Wish you a speedy recovery. And I hope the injury was not related to having a bad setting on your suspension. Arm pump, for instance, is connected to having the wrong settings in your suspension. It is a multi-factor deal, but settings-related many times.
Bear in mind that the base settings you will keep are the settings you were hittin the track harder (if that was the case, of course) when you hit the deck. So you might want to back it off a little, reducing the % of your compression, as a starting point.
Let me know if I can be of further assistance!
Hi Brocster,
The app is not for suspension experts, never said that. Is for the people who don't know how to use the adjusters in their suspension, so they can start using them without getting hurt. So if you see more and more riders riding smoother and faster on the track, well...
surely sucks for you, but hey, think of the greater good! let's make our sport safer and good things will follow after.
Still waiting for the screenshot of the hiccup. If you want.
Cheers.
Act one: post a message explaining how great your app is, in a way that lets readers believe you're an user who discovered a great product.
Act two: answer every remark from both camps so that your topic stays on top of the page. Which will probably get you more haters posting "You suck" messages, that will only help you stay on top of the page. Kind of what I'm doing right now.
In all honesty, I first thought it was an OK idea for geeks and noobs (I'm an old sod that uses a pencil on paper and of course, I noted what my base settings were, a chimp probably could figure that out by himself), then the tire pressure app gave me a good laugh and made me think "Yeah, right, that thing is a bit overkill", then your rant about your fight for "suspension tuning awareness" made me laugh a little more, and by now I'm just plain bored.
Enjoy yourselves, fellas!
Oh wait, I missed that great marketing BS reply.
"And I hope the injury was not related to having a bad setting on your suspension."
Now I'm laughing again.
This is starting to feel like a hell of a troll job. Suspension tuning awareness 2024!
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