Which rookie SX season was more impressive?

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JerseyFresh 4/28/2010 3:44pm
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Tear it apart I don't give a f*ck, I think its funny as hell gettin all you nerds riled up. I think Dungey's a square and I don't care what anybody says. Biased opinion- hell yes. RV had some bad luck this year,like the dirt in his exhaust at ATL, but as I recall the momentum was swinging in RV's direction before he got hurt and I think he's faster than Dungey, straight up. So everyone go jump on his nuts since he won the title, it's typical.
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motowhore 4/28/2010 3:52pm
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I think Everybody forgets that RC did not even come close to winning SX titles in his first few years in the big boy class. Jeremy owned him.

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All are good riders. MC was the most impressive, then Dungey next. After A1-A2, Dungey was right on McGrath's pace.
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Craze wrote:
MC's 1993 championship....Hands down
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Yep!
Yep, yep!

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Mac Nac by a mile........................
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If RC, DV, Fonseca, MC and Ferry dropped out of the 2003 season Reedy would have won it about 6 races from the end!!!!

Just saying....
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Post 1 - make a statement that's obviously wrong and easy to disprove

Post 2 - say you don't give a f*ck that you're wrong

Post 3 - brag about your moto knowledge




Riesenberg448 4/28/2010 6:18pm
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I left A1 damn impressed by Dungey. I stayed damn impressed until he had a sizeable points gap and seemed to back it down, all while Villopoto started to get up to par. Had the season been reversed, and Dungey had ended the season the way he started it, he would've turned more heads. Had Villopoto not KO'd himself at St. Louis and the title went down to the wire and Dungey won, he'd have turned more heads.

Fact of that matter is, Dungey kicked ass this year. He deserved every bit of the title and wrapped it up with 2 races left. The top guys all were on the track at A1 (Grant out after practice if I recall) and Dungey came out on top. It isn't like he was riding around in 4th and 5th until everyone went out hurt. He had put himself ahead of everyone in the points before Stewart and Reed crashed out of Phoenix (they were back at the tail of the top 10 and RD was up front) and well before Shorty crashed out in the mud. Reed was already down 25 points and hadn't shown what it takes to run with Dungey yet this year. Dungey was already ahead of Villopoto in points and was proving to atleast take it down to the wire and it was 50/50 at best as to who was going to win... Dungey did have the points lead... So Stewart was the only one that really was going to be a fight for the title. Fact is, he got hurt and Dungey put the title away.

And I won't take anything away from Reed's season. It definitely impressed me. The way he dominated the end of the series was awesome for sure. I would say Dungey takes the cake in this one just because he had to deal with the championship pressure and came out on top. Reed was in a go for broke situation with nothing to lose.
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JerseyFresh 4/28/2010 7:02pm
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grover738 wrote:
Post 1 - make a statement that's obviously wrong and easy to disprove Post 2 - say you don't give a f*ck that you're wrong Post...
Post 1 - make a statement that's obviously wrong and easy to disprove

Post 2 - say you don't give a f*ck that you're wrong

Post 3 - brag about your moto knowledge




Of course the guy from MN has to chime in, obvoiusly wrong? look at the results there grover. When someone says "I think" in a sentence they're usually stating an opinion, which can't be wrong. 3rd I'm not bragging, just sayin i'm not some guido asshole from the city with gelled hair and a bad tan. I watch every race, I have since 97 I'm not blowin smoke, I just really think the kid RV had the momentum to win the title this year. I'm from south jersey, you really think I'm backin Dungey when I watched Lawrence grow up at E-town? to each their own, don't take it so seriously, and don't stereotype, that shit is old.
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grover738 4/28/2010 7:54pm
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So I'm defending the guy who won the championship, and you're telling me to look at the results? Am I missing something?

The statement you made that was obviously wrong was this one:

"I know exactly what I'm talkin' about pal, when 'Poto kept it on 2 wheels Dungey had nothin' for him."

Not bragging? What is this: "I'll put my moto-knowledge up against anyone under 30."

And it wasn't me throwing around the Jersey stuff.

I've got no problem with people not backing Dungey, if we all liked the same guys it would be really boring. But when you say Dungey had nothing for RV when he didn't crash.....

I am and will always be a fan of RV after seeing him flat out destroy everyone at the MXoN at Budd's in 2007. That may have been the single most dominant day for a rider ever. But Dungey beat him this year, no matter how you slice it.

I'm also pulling for Jlaw to get his sh*t together, he obviously has the talent, and the more guys at the top the better.
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JerseyFresh 4/28/2010 7:57pm
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Fair enough. I'm over it.
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JustMX wrote:
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles. He raced 3 supercrosses...
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles.

He raced 3 supercrosses the year before and his best finish was 5th.

He came out blasting the next year, winning 6 of the 10 races and the title.

He also did it on a stock bike that they usually gave away after the race.
I have to go with the above. I remember that. It was incredible. Plus the after race interview was never should I say "sugar coated"?
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JustMX wrote:
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles. He raced 3 supercrosses...
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles.

He raced 3 supercrosses the year before and his best finish was 5th.

He came out blasting the next year, winning 6 of the 10 races and the title.

He also did it on a stock bike that they usually gave away after the race.
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I have to go with the above. I remember that. It was incredible. Plus the after race interview was never should I say "sugar coated"?
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......Ermm
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JustMX wrote:
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles. He raced 3 supercrosses...
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles.

He raced 3 supercrosses the year before and his best finish was 5th.

He came out blasting the next year, winning 6 of the 10 races and the title.

He also did it on a stock bike that they usually gave away after the race.
Mr. G wrote:
I have to go with the above. I remember that. It was incredible. Plus the after race interview was never should I say "sugar coated"?
needs an asterisk, no bad brad lackey


obviously sarcasm
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JustMX 4/28/2010 8:30pm
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rmpilot wrote:
needs an asterisk, no bad brad lackey


obviously sarcasm
Yeah...Brad was SUCH a supercross specialist
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rmpilot 4/28/2010 8:31pm
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rmpilot wrote:
needs an asterisk, no bad brad lackey


obviously sarcasm
JustMX wrote:
Yeah...Brad was SUCH a supercross specialist
im just saying this with sarcasm against all those people who think a championship isnt one if a guy doesnt show up
kiki number 5 4/28/2010 8:44pm
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I really think that Reed besting the best of the time (RC) was more impressive.
Dungey won the title and that is all good, but the real competition he had was RV, who owned him most of the season. Bottom line though is RD won the #1 and it will always be in the books, but I really doubt that if he had not been so lucky this year with Reed, Stewart, Grant, and RV out he would not be in the #1. The big difference with Reeds rookie season is that RC was there the whole season, and Reed beat him several times. When RD beats the best (Reed, Stewart, and RV) then he gets the respect. My money says he will get owned come the outdoors with those three other guys and Grant on the line.
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JustMX wrote:
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles. He raced 3 supercrosses...
Hannah's 1977 season, Because it was his REAL Rookie season, not his first time in the "Supercross" class after multiple "lites" titles.

He raced 3 supercrosses the year before and his best finish was 5th.

He came out blasting the next year, winning 6 of the 10 races and the title.

He also did it on a stock bike that they usually gave away after the race.
Forgot about Bob, but I have to agree with you there. He's right up there or above any other rookie season by anyone.

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need love 4/28/2010 8:57pm
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Ernesto Fonseca, the kid came out of nowhere and dominated the east coast. who else just showed up like that.
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grover738 4/28/2010 10:00pm
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Cripes. Did you guys just watch the same season I did? WTF is this crap about RV owning RD, and about how RD coundn't beat RV unless RV crashed. So, let's review, round by round:

A1: RD - 2nd. RV - 5th. No crashes.
Phoenix: RD - 1st. RV - 2nd. No crashes.
A2: RD - 1st. RV - 7th. No crashes
SF: RD - 4th RV - 1st RD crashed - asterisk for RV.
SD: RD - 6th RV - 4th. Both crashed in the first turn. No asterisks.
A3: RD - 4th RV - 1st. RD crashed - another asterisk for RV.
Indy: RD - 2nd RV - 1st. No crashes.
Atlanta: RD - 1st RV - 20th. RV crashes, so Dungey gets the asterisk.
Daytona: RD - 2nd RV - 1st. No crashes
Toronto: RD - 2nd RV - 1st. No crashes
Dallas: RD - 1st RV - 4th. No crashes
Jacksonville: RD - 2nd RV - 1st. No crashes.
Houston: RD - 5th RV - 1st. RD stalls bike. Half an asterisk for RV.
St. Louis: RD - 1st. RV - 20th. RD crashes once. RV crashes twice. Asterisk for RD.

So there you have it. 5 wins for RD. 7 wins for RV. BUT, in the all important asterisk catergory, RD wins, 2.0 to 2.5. Did I just blow your mind, or what?

Dungey OUTSCORED Villopoto by 15 points in races where neither of them crashed. Asterisk lovers, read that again! When neither of them crashed, DUNGEY DID BETTER.

Should I point out that in three of the four asterisk free races where RV beat RD (Daytona, Toronto, Jacksonville) RD came into the race with a comfortable lead and had no reason to chase down RV once he got to 2nd? Yet Reed is getting credit for beating RC during his 2003 season, although 6 of his 8 wins came after RC didn't need to win anymore.

RD's worst finish when he didn't crash or stall his bike was 2nd. RV had a crash free 4th, a 5th, and a 7th.

RD was ahead of Reed in points when Reed's season ended.
RD was ahead of Stewart in points when Stewart's season ended.
RD was ahead of Villopoto when Villopoto's season ended.

So can we put this crap to bed now?




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need love wrote:
Ernesto Fonseca, the kid came out of nowhere and dominated the east coast. who else just showed up like that.
Who else? Reed 2002. In his only "lites" season he won 6 of 7. I think he went last to 2nd in the race he didn't win. Just missing first and a perfect season.
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JustMX wrote:
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......Ermm
I was over this thread but ok. I hope when I'm your age I won't be snoopin around on message boards anymore. Most grown men I know that actually ride are out in the garage working on their and their kid's bikes with their free time, not snoopin around on the computer. Come to think of it, most of the Old heads I know of that go on-line are damn creepy. have fun guys, think I'm officially over it. I'll actually be riding my bike instead of arguing with a bunch of over the hill squids that most likely sit in their shiny new trailer and talk trash and take up space instead of rip laps. See you at the track, but most likely not. later spodes.
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need love wrote:
Ernesto Fonseca, the kid came out of nowhere and dominated the east coast. who else just showed up like that.
toroP wrote:
Who else? Reed 2002. In his only "lites" season he won 6 of 7. I think he went last to 2nd in the race he didn't...
Who else? Reed 2002. In his only "lites" season he won 6 of 7. I think he went last to 2nd in the race he didn't win. Just missing first and a perfect season.
Didnt Pourcel also come out of nowhere?
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Mcgrath's by far, he had to beat Stanton and all them. Unfortunately I was to young to remember how gnarly the MC era was. Dungey won...
Mcgrath's by far, he had to beat Stanton and all them. Unfortunately I was to young to remember how gnarly the MC era was.

Dungey won it fair and square, in order to win a championship you need to put yourself in a position to win it. Villopoto, Grant, Reed, Stewart, and Short did not do so.

Reed almost beat RC in SX right after Ricky went 24-0 outdoors. That's gnarly! Chad Reed isn't given enough credit, but hell! He dont care, he know's his accomplishments. He doesnt need a bunch of vital nerds to approve.
Pastrana lead the big bike class in points one season for quite some time till RC stuffed him (i think in indy??) and kinda took the wind out of his sails... RC was a winner for sure, but he didn't dominate indoors anywhere close to what he did outdoors....

So compare RC's rookie year to Dungeys.... not even close.... compare Bubbas first year in the big bike class..... at least Bubba had the pace of the front runners...

oh and ya..... MC's rookie season was still the most impressive thus far....
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You know who I feel is going to have a fantasticular "rookie" season? Trey Canard. How many n***** come out and have 5/6 podium finishes their first go-'rounds in the heavy class?? It's gotta be some kinda record; too bad nobody really keeps track of the pre-rookie season stats.....
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iudi2006 wrote:
Didnt Pourcel also come out of nowhere?
No he won a 250cc world title before coming to the US then got very badly injured the following season. Was in rehab for almost a year, semi paralysed and still has health issues from his injuries.
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When McGrath hit the scene he CRUSHED everyone. He wasn't just competitve and then stole a couple wins.....it was like a meteor landed on the SX series. Some people have such short memories.
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JustMX wrote:
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......Ermm
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I was over this thread but ok. I hope when I'm your age I won't be snoopin around on message boards anymore. Most grown men I...
I was over this thread but ok. I hope when I'm your age I won't be snoopin around on message boards anymore. Most grown men I know that actually ride are out in the garage working on their and their kid's bikes with their free time, not snoopin around on the computer. Come to think of it, most of the Old heads I know of that go on-line are damn creepy. have fun guys, think I'm officially over it. I'll actually be riding my bike instead of arguing with a bunch of over the hill squids that most likely sit in their shiny new trailer and talk trash and take up space instead of rip laps. See you at the track, but most likely not. later spodes.
Yeah, uh huh...now go pull your flat billed hat over your ears, and go crash your brains out trying to imitate Ryan Dungey.

And I kind like this "shiny new trailer" I'm living in here in Redmond, WA, down the road from Microsoft...Whistling
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Mutt wrote:
McGrath's.
easily
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JustMX wrote:
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......
And it is a good thing that we aren't "under 30" or we would have to argue this viewpoint with a non-guido from Jersey......Ermm
JerseyFresh wrote:
I was over this thread but ok. I hope when I'm your age I won't be snoopin around on message boards anymore. Most grown men I...
I was over this thread but ok. I hope when I'm your age I won't be snoopin around on message boards anymore. Most grown men I know that actually ride are out in the garage working on their and their kid's bikes with their free time, not snoopin around on the computer. Come to think of it, most of the Old heads I know of that go on-line are damn creepy. have fun guys, think I'm officially over it. I'll actually be riding my bike instead of arguing with a bunch of over the hill squids that most likely sit in their shiny new trailer and talk trash and take up space instead of rip laps. See you at the track, but most likely not. later spodes.
"a bunch of over the hill squids that most likely sit in their shiny new trailer and talk trash and take up space instead of rip laps. See you at the track, but most likely not"

From the guy who complains about stereotyping.

BTW - I'm racing at Millville this weekend.

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