Single vs Double ring piston

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6/13/2024 2:14pm
Bruce372 wrote:
A friend of mine dynoed 1 vs 2 ring pistons on a ktm150. After all the claims about friction and all that, you'd be surprised which...
A friend of mine dynoed 1 vs 2 ring pistons on a ktm150.

After all the claims about friction and all that, you'd be surprised which one made more power Smile

I would imagine a 2 ring does make more power because theoretically it should have more compression.

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6/13/2024 3:15pm
Rickyisms wrote:
Getting ready to tear my 125 down and do the bottom end, new crank, and I'm sending the cylinder to millennium. I have always ran double...
Getting ready to tear my 125 down and do the bottom end, new crank, and I'm sending the cylinder to millennium. I have always ran double rings, since that's what my dad always recommended. Never had a failure, just wondering if anyone could give me some input on the pros and cons of each. To my knowledge double ringed pistons are less likely to have a catastrophic failure, but rev slower due to extra drag/weight. I rarely race anymore so I'm not looking for huge performance benefits to where it effects the reliability of the engine, was just curious on hearing everyone's opinions.

I ,don't think that has to do with cat failure.

I like single cause it revs faster/easier? Kind of YZ85 vs KX85.

Think I liked better on the YZ was when my kid couldn't start it after 2 kicks I knew it was rebuild time, KX was different

Seemed  all the specialty race pistons were made with single rings for some reason.

6/13/2024 3:49pm

FWIW I’m still running double ring Vertex/OEM KTM pistons 3 years later with no failures. 125s still ripping. 

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6/13/2024 4:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2024 4:18pm

Back in the early 80 I raced a 125 and 250 as a local pro. Pro circuit did my porting and I ran there pipes. I tried both 2 ring and single pistons rings on my bikes. I could not tell the difference between two. I would be willing to bet that there are only a couple of riders in the world that could tell the difference if were not told which bike had a single or double ring piston. 
An interesting fact, Most riders will do the fastest average lap times over a moto with a fairly stock bike vers a full race high hp 2 Stroke my self included back in the day. The only reason I had my bikes made to be as fast as possible was for the start. The easiest way to pass 39 riders is to get the hole shot! 

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6/13/2024 8:11pm

Also if you've the possibility, use ceramic bearings. They don't wear as fast, and they come faster up to their speed. 

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6/13/2024 10:34pm

Between this and the set up thread, Vital going hard as fuck tonight lol

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