Starts are too dangerous...

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Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 11:00pm
Trying to cram 20 riders into a corner that only fits 6 is just asking for trouble. Maybe that's something they can improve upon as well. How many times do you see riders going down on a start? Pretty much every race but they don't fix it. It's like they expect them to wreck.
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Ddavis 4/20/2010 7:55pm
4/20/2010 7:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2010 7:55pm
Ive always liked the starts that are short and go into a 180 degree turn,like A1 2009
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moscrop940 4/20/2010 7:58pm
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dude you gotta be kidding me.....

if we keep making all these so called "improvements" to the track, this shits gonna be boring to watch and race.

yeah they should have fixed that triple that took out RV, but widen the starts?

ill tell you what you should probably call nascar and tell them that their tracks arent wide enough......im sure no one would mind.....






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txmxer 4/20/2010 8:01pm
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from looking at older tape, the tracks and the start have all tightened up quite a bit.

They mandated more room around the tracks for the medical crew, I'm guessing that space has taken away from some of the room used in the past for making lanes wider.

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4/20/2010 8:02pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:17pm
Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you see on the start? It's so common and they don't do anything to fix it. Instead they put a jump on the straightaway instead going into first corner.


There is always room for improvement and still make the tracks fun and exciting and challenging. I think they do that because they want fucking people to wreck. HOW CAN YOU NOT? 20 riders into a corner at 40-50mph that fits 5 or 6 fucking riders is crazy.


Has there been 1 race in the last 5 years-heat or main where somebody has not went down on a start? You can still reward the riders who get a good start and not punish the guys in the middle with a huge pileup unless you like being run over by everybody.

Going from high speed to almost a dead stop with 20 riders is just asking for trouble and we see it every race.

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Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you...
Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you see on the start? It's so common and they don't do anything to fix it. Instead they put a jump on the straightaway instead going into first corner.


There is always room for improvement and still make the tracks fun and exciting and challenging. I think they do that because they want fucking people to wreck. HOW CAN YOU NOT? 20 riders into a corner at 40-50mph that fits 5 or 6 fucking riders is crazy.


Has there been 1 race in the last 5 years-heat or main where somebody has not went down on a start? You can still reward the riders who get a good start and not punish the guys in the middle with a huge pileup unless you like being run over by everybody.

Going from high speed to almost a dead stop with 20 riders is just asking for trouble and we see it every race.
Sounds like your solution moves the problem from the first corner to the second.
UpTiTe 4/20/2010 8:12pm
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People crash in the woop section every week, they should go ahead and level those too.
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Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you...
Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you see on the start? It's so common and they don't do anything to fix it. Instead they put a jump on the straightaway instead going into first corner.


There is always room for improvement and still make the tracks fun and exciting and challenging. I think they do that because they want fucking people to wreck. HOW CAN YOU NOT? 20 riders into a corner at 40-50mph that fits 5 or 6 fucking riders is crazy.


Has there been 1 race in the last 5 years-heat or main where somebody has not went down on a start? You can still reward the riders who get a good start and not punish the guys in the middle with a huge pileup unless you like being run over by everybody.

Going from high speed to almost a dead stop with 20 riders is just asking for trouble and we see it every race.
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Sounds like your solution moves the problem from the first corner to the second.
By then they have had time to space out somewhat. Start to first corner is balls out, adrenaline going, pushing and shoving to get through, and all riders cramming up. Just my honest opinion is the starts could be made safer-that's all.
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Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you...
Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you see on the start? It's so common and they don't do anything to fix it. Instead they put a jump on the straightaway instead going into first corner.


There is always room for improvement and still make the tracks fun and exciting and challenging. I think they do that because they want fucking people to wreck. HOW CAN YOU NOT? 20 riders into a corner at 40-50mph that fits 5 or 6 fucking riders is crazy.


Has there been 1 race in the last 5 years-heat or main where somebody has not went down on a start? You can still reward the riders who get a good start and not punish the guys in the middle with a huge pileup unless you like being run over by everybody.

Going from high speed to almost a dead stop with 20 riders is just asking for trouble and we see it every race.
Yes there have been many times no one has fallen.

The times there are a problem is when the first turn is a 90 degree turn instead of a dog leg like they had in St. Louis. I'm a big proponent of 22 rider fields like we used to have in the 125 class without any issues.

I'm all over the safety thing (chest protectors should be mandatory IMO) but the only thing they need to change with the starts is getting rid of 90 degree turns.....but wider woudn't hurt I'll give you that.
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CamP 4/20/2010 9:19pm
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Trying to cram 20 riders into a corner that only fits 6 is just asking for trouble. Maybe that's something they can improve upon as well...
Trying to cram 20 riders into a corner that only fits 6 is just asking for trouble. Maybe that's something they can improve upon as well. How many times do you see riders going down on a start? Pretty much every race but they don't fix it. It's like they expect them to wreck.
That's why DV12 posted that holeshot devices should go.
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worcsracer808 4/20/2010 9:28pm
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Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you...
Dude, what the hell is wrong with making a wider turn or consider other options for the first corner starts? Seriously, how many crashes do you see on the start? It's so common and they don't do anything to fix it. Instead they put a jump on the straightaway instead going into first corner.


There is always room for improvement and still make the tracks fun and exciting and challenging. I think they do that because they want fucking people to wreck. HOW CAN YOU NOT? 20 riders into a corner at 40-50mph that fits 5 or 6 fucking riders is crazy.


Has there been 1 race in the last 5 years-heat or main where somebody has not went down on a start? You can still reward the riders who get a good start and not punish the guys in the middle with a huge pileup unless you like being run over by everybody.

Going from high speed to almost a dead stop with 20 riders is just asking for trouble and we see it every race.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Sounds like your solution moves the problem from the first corner to the second.
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By then they have had time to space out somewhat. Start to first corner is balls out, adrenaline going, pushing and shoving to get through, and...
By then they have had time to space out somewhat. Start to first corner is balls out, adrenaline going, pushing and shoving to get through, and all riders cramming up. Just my honest opinion is the starts could be made safer-that's all.
I honestly thought you were just BS'ing because of all this track safety bs that's been all over the boards lately
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Devil1nNj 4/20/2010 9:38pm
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I honestly thought you were just BS'ing because of all this track safety bs that's been all over the boards lately
me too. what a disappointment.
This board gets so carried away sometimes.
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lostboy819 4/20/2010 9:39pm
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The start is one of the best parts of the race and one of the things that set it apart from other types of racing. Would you whiny ass cry babies quit bitching about everything just because there is some risk involved. If you dont like it then don't watch it, cover your eyes or make a trip to the ladies room and come back when its over. Now I know why level has a camel toe as is profile pic.........it fits.
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Anybody remember that Daytona used to put 40 on the gate back in the day? It was cool as hell to see 40 riders coming straight towards the grandstands from the edge of the pit lane. I'm just sayin'...
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Anybody remember that Daytona used to put 40 on the gate back in the day? It was cool as hell to see 40 riders coming straight...
Anybody remember that Daytona used to put 40 on the gate back in the day? It was cool as hell to see 40 riders coming straight towards the grandstands from the edge of the pit lane. I'm just sayin'...
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level 4/20/2010 10:32pm
4/20/2010 10:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:17pm
It's entertaining for sure but where is the line between entertainment and putting the riders in danger. Starts are brutal. Just see video below. It seems like it's almost impossible for everyone to get through a start clean. Just has become the nature of the sport and everybody accepts the fact that somebody is going to wreck and seems fine with it.






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