Broken back. Am I done?

Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 7:15pm
2 months ago I pulled some thing in my lower back and leg moving some furniture and soon the pain eased in my back but seemed to get worse in my leg. I was well enough to pop a few mild painkillers and golf one day in mild pain. A few days later my friend and I received these Helmet cams that we had been waiting forever for. I was not sure I was going to be able to ride with my leg pain but went anyway and actually loosened up quickly and was on pace. Well my bike broke on the largest jump on track and I cased it hard, bucking me onto my head and I laid there unable to move for a few seconds and then got helped to my feet. I honestly thought I was paralysed for a moment and then it all came back. I helped load the trailer and was really sore the next day and then worse the next and so on. I went to doctor and I requested MRI and x rays but he said x rays only and said I had a Hemi/pelvic sprain and possible dislocation. He sends me home with painkillers and a trip to therapy 3 times for 3 weeks . They stopped therapy because I was getting a lot worse and they were concerned. Well the pain is now worse than when I had shattered my feet and I went for MRI's. Turns out I have 2 bulging disks, 2 annular tears and my L3 has a horizontal crack all the way across along with lots of degeneration. The therapy was hurting me worse and my Ortho called me late from his home on a Saturday night to tell me no more therapy after he reviewed MRI and seemed worried. Very odd. Epidural and Cort. injections to come then surgery. The weird thing is I have very little pain in back but my left leg is killing me and is worse than anything I have felt and I have been through lots of injuries over the years. I can not stand or sit especially in a car only lie flat but for the first 2 weeks I could. Anyone have any experience with this scenario? I am 34 and am riding so well these days and planned on riding till the end of days. I was misdiagnosed at the start and hurt worse during physical therapy most likely.
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2/5/2008 1:40pm
Oh man, so sorry to hear this. I'm unfamiliar with your injury, and, even though we're chock full of ortho's here, listen to your doctors who don't have to rely upon Google and sleeping in Holiday Inn Express's. I hope things work out for you, and hopefully you're back on the bike soon.
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2/5/2008 1:48pm
Good luck!!! I hope you make a full and speedy recovery!!!!
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2/5/2008 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Maybe, maybe not...

First, bummer about the injury.
I have a bulging and degenerative disc and L5 and S1

Not that I know more than your ortho, but from all I have learned from others, doctors and online is that surgery on your back should be last resort. LAST resort. Unless your have persistent tingling, numbness or weakness, you should not be a surgical candidate.

Now, your ESI (Epidural Steroidal Injection) is a simple outpatient thing and is typically done in a series of three, a week or so apart. You will notice more and more relief after each procedure. These will really help.

Learn to work and strengthen your core muscles.

My back is still bad and some days are better than others.
The drugs help and I try to make a point of only "when needed"
For awhile I was taking a lot all the time, but the ESI eased that need as well as my fear of addiction.

Good luck
2/5/2008 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Hey I appreciate that. The crazy thing is I even drove 6+ hours and fished the first stop of the ESPN BASS tour a week or two afterwards but could not handle the pain and to be this much worse weeks later is scary. I can not even begin to sit in a car now, I have to lay in the suburban rear to get to doctor. Then in the waiting room I am a mess. Fusion may be my only answer. :shock:

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2/5/2008 2:02pm
One step at a time.
I was in pain, and I mean real pain, for a long time before I went to doctor, because I hate doctors.
So I understand.

But be careful.

I was told straight up by my doctors and others with back issues that if your ortho starts talking surgery right out of the box, RUN!
Run to another opinion.
No matter what, get a 2nd opinion.

The meds help you relax and dull pain and in time, that helps the whole mess.
Then the ESI will also help

I know the pain sucks, but don't rush it and don't expect overnight relief.
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2/5/2008 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Sorry about the injury. I went through the same thing in 04'. Herniated disc with tremendous leg pain. Tried the epidurals, three of them, and the physical therapy before having surgery. When I came out of surgery the doctor said he should have done the surgery first because the whole time I was going through the other crap, 6 months, my L4 disc was wedged between my sciatic nerve and tissue in my back. The sciatic nerve was causing all the leg pain and I was beginning to lose feeling in my foot.

I had microdiscectomy surgery and haven't had any pain since unless I do something stupid with my back, like lifting heavy items without using my legs. I couldn't sit in a chair at work or ride in a car the pain was so bad. Slept on a heating pad so much it left a mark on back. After surgery I did six weeks of rehab and started riding again shortly after with no pain. Don't wait long because permanent damage to the sciatic nerve starts around six months and you will always have the leg pain after that.

Here is a link with some good information that really helped me.

[url:1k8u1shg]http://www.spine-health.com/topics/surg/overview/lumbar/lumb03.html[/ur…]
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2/5/2008 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="flarider":3v81yg9b]Maybe, maybe not...

First, bummer about the injury.
I have a bulging and degenerative disc and L5 and S1

Not that I know more than your ortho, but from all I have learned from others, doctors and online is that surgery on your back should be last resort. LAST resort. Unless your have persistent tingling, numbness or weakness, you should not be a surgical candidate.

Now, your ESI (Epidural Steroidal Injection) is a simple outpatient thing and is typically done in a series of three, a week or so apart. You will notice more and more relief after each procedure. These will really help.

Learn to work and strengthen your core muscles.

My back is still bad and some days are better than others.
The drugs help and I try to make a point of only "when needed"
For awhile I was taking a lot all the time, but the ESI eased that need as well as my fear of addiction.

Good luck[/quote:3v81yg9b]X2.What Dave said.I have the same deal.And the Epidurals will sometimes work for 5 months to a year for me.Of course they are merely a bandaid but I've been getting them for 4 years and I'm 45.I'm holding off on surgery as long as possible,hoping that with each year they gain more knowledge and technology.PT is very helpful.Keeping my core strong and stretching has helped me a lot along with ice after riding or strenuous workouts.Your situation sounds worse than mine of course.I have good days and bad but warming up properly and cooling down really helps.Good luck.
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2/5/2008 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Oh,and Blue Thumper too.Good advice.Every back and disc injury is different.MRI's are amazing,and I won't do anything without one.I've had so many that when I walk by the fridge,the magnets stick to me. <img class= " title="Laughing">
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2/5/2008 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
I did something similar in '02. I got ejected exiting a whoop section headed toward the "Stairway to Heaven" at Monster Mountain. I landed on my head and shoulder. I felt something between my shoulder blades pop but thought it was a rib. I laid there until the Medic Mule got there, sat up and took a ride back to the ambulance. I ended up driving most of the way back to Birmingham, about 2 1/2 hours, before I had to give in and let someone else drive me. When we got to the ER they did x-rays and found two broken vertebrae at T-5 and T-6. Doc said it wasn't real bad but I needed to take it easy a while. Six weeks later I still was waking up with cramps between my shoulder blades and I always felt like I needed to burp during the day, but couldn't.

I gave the bones enough time to heal then went to a good chiropractor. I went about two times a week for three months. After the first visit I felt relief and magically got back my ability to burp. What a relief. Anyway, by the time I was going to the chiro I had already started riding some and quickly started back racing. I don't have much trouble from it now days at all.

Give it proper time to heal and make sure everything is straight and relieved and you'll be back on a bike in no time.
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2/5/2008 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="Friday":22wqh17q]Oh,and Blue Thumper too.Good advice.Every back and disc injury is different.MRI's are amazing,and I won't do anything without one.I've had so many that when I walk by the fridge,the magnets stick to me. <img class= " title="Laughing">[/quote:22wqh17q]
Agreed

The big red flags are tingling, numbness and weakness
2/5/2008 2:38pm
Dang. Maybe you guys do know what you're talking about. I stand corrected.
2/5/2008 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="BlueThumper":3n1emxot]Sorry about the injury. I went through the same thing in 04'. Herniated disc with tremendous leg pain. Tried the epidurals, three of them, and the physical therapy before having surgery. When I came out of surgery the doctor said he should have done the surgery first because the whole time I was going through the other crap, 6 months, my L4 disc was wedged between my sciatic nerve and tissue in my back. The sciatic nerve was causing all the leg pain and I was beginning to lose feeling in my foot.

I had microdiscectomy surgery and haven't had any pain since unless I do something stupid with my back, like lifting heavy items without using my legs. I couldn't sit in a chair at work or ride in a car the pain was so bad. Slept on a heating pad so much it left a mark on back. After surgery I did six weeks of rehab and started riding again shortly after with no pain. Don't wait long because permanent damage to the sciatic nerve starts around six months and you will always have the leg pain after that.

Here is a link with some good information that really helped me.

[url:3n1emxot]http://www.spine-health.com/topics/surg/overview/lumbar/lumb03.html[/ur…]



This was my experience also. While I agree that one should not "jump" into surgery, nothing helped my symptoms until I had surgery on L4/5, L5/S1. I wish I had done it sooner, as my back and leg pain were immediately better, though I do have some permanent nerve damage in my left leg. Get MRI's done. Get a discogram done. Get a second opinion.
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2/5/2008 2:43pm
Like was said above, every back injury (or any injury for that matter) is different. But, I'm recovering from T-11 and T-12 fractures sustained on 1-13-08. The Dr. at Tallahassee Orthopedic Clinic, says I'll be fine to ride again in another 6 weeks or so. I know your injury is different, but there is hope. Whatever you do, listen to the docs and rehab properly!!

Good luck and heal up quick!
2/5/2008 3:01pm
No your not done if it was cought in time you will be fine.
Your annular tears and your L3 will heal up quik its the herniated and/or bulging discs you have to worry about. If its not yet degenerative you will be fine in no time. Surgery should be your very very very very last option, only 20% of all back surgerys are successfull after 2 years before the pain returns. surgery is not appropriate in cases where disc degeneration may not be the cause of pain. Alot of advances have been made over the past few years. The biggest being spinal decompression therapy. Its new so ask your Dr. about it and go online and do your reseach yourself. If you want I could IM you an online site that has a video explaining the whole procedure and the benefits of it. Its expensive and some Insurance co. wont cover it but it beats surgery and ESIs.

Another thing, it sounds like voodoo medicine but yoga does wonders for a bad back. It stregthens the midsection and the muscles around the spine.
Next time I tell you clowns I am a ortho, dont roast me.
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2/5/2008 3:04pm
So was the Holiday Inn Express nice last night?
Did they offer breakfast?
2/5/2008 3:10pm
Buffet it was tasty had some scrambled eggs and bacon. Over ate a bit but I tend to do that at a buffet.
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2/5/2008 3:29pm
after 35 yrs. of riding I broke my back 1yr. ago , they fused me back togeather L1 , L2 ,3 and 4 to T12 also major nerve damage . was told I was lucky not to be the chair , im a true moto head and want to ride again but I think I might be done
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2/5/2008 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Sciatica nerve, check this out it's not a back problem .Just a nerve
http://www.losethebackpain.com/sciatica_article.html
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cyber ... iatica.htm
http://www.spine-health.com/topics/cons ... rview.html
Exercises ,stretching ,stretching is what will remove the pain
if you have Sciactica nerve you can not sit .just stretching to remove the presser from the nerve. is about all you can do ...
2/5/2008 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Thanks for the information guys. I am going to keep positive but I never thought I would say I was looking forward to the epidural. It was strange to me at first that the pain was so minimal in my back and ridiculously bad in my hip and hamstring that I was convinced it was a tendon/muscle tear and not related to nerve damage or a fracture which the MRI pointed out in the end along with the rest of the injuries.

I think Dave built these jumps back in the day, this could not have anything to do with back pain, could it? LOL <img class= " title="Wink">

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2/5/2008 4:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/5/2008 4:30pm
My dad got his back fused it took him 4 months to recover and get back to normal daily activities such as walking, showers, etc. A nurse had to come to the house often to take care of him. You basically have to quit you job and put your life, marriage and family on hold to recover. It was a long recovery in bed for what seemed like an eternity but now he has no complaints about his back.
2/5/2008 4:25pm
Thats good to hear Trick. Thanks for sharing.

Smacker, how is your pain now compared to before? Hope you are feeling better and everything works out.
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2/5/2008 4:29pm
Not me, that was Greg
Same guy who makes Seminole
2/5/2008 4:36pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
Thats right you just sat on the loader trackside and yelled at everyone through the bull horn or mic. <img class= " title="Wink">
Yea Greg has helped me out dozens of times at the track, good guy.
2/5/2008 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="Flmxer":1208y92b]Thats good to hear Trick. Thanks for sharing.

Smacker, how is your pain now compared to before? Hope you are feeling better and everything works out.[/quote:1208y92b]


I wanted to add my dad was living with back pain for years before he finally broke down and got the surgury. I think he was like Dave living with the pain and skeptical about all thats said about back surguries. Then after he retired the nerve got pinched to the point he was in alot of pain and could hardly walk normally and thats when he said its time. He was older, didn't have the responsibility to take care of the family anymore, lots of free time to recover, etc.

I am happy he got the surgury because my family has had to live with his complaining and moaning for years. I know I sound like an ass for saying that but it takes it toll on the family after awhile. My mom won't ever admit to it but I think she really pushed him to get it done so they could both move on.
2/5/2008 4:51pm
I understand Trick and thanks again for sharing that, I am sure I have not been the happiest guy around here lately but will try to be more thankful for my families help.
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2/5/2008 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="Flmxer":2zpn756m]Thats right you just sat on the loader trackside and yelled at everyone through the bull horn or mic. <img class= " title="Wink">
Yea Greg has helped me out dozens of times at the track, good guy.[/quote:2zpn756m]
Excuse me, it's "Race Announcer Extraordinaire," Sir
2/5/2008 5:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="uptite":1rl71mle]
Another thing, it sounds like voodoo medicine but yoga does wonders for a bad back. It stregthens the midsection and the muscles around the spine.
[/quote:1rl71mle]

+1

It has helped me immensely. Laying around and "babying" your back just makes it ache more. Strengthening and stretching is where it's at.


And a question...

Does anyone out there know anyone with an artificial disc, that is still riding?
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2/5/2008 7:50pm
well 1 yr later im feeling much better but it was a long year . the first 4 month's where torture and not having much feeling in the right leg was'nt good . with 2 rods up and down my spine and eight screws I really want to ride but don't want to push my luck .
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2/5/2008 8:41pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
i wadded 3 or 4 years ago.......(looped out over a pretty fast jump).dont ask how...... but i hurt my back. could not move feet for a lil bit ,, seemed like forever.but ended up being a very short time....long story short.shot me to podunk hospital in the meat wagon.......then i was knocked out and flown to a real hospital.......woke up a few days later. had "endoscopic spinal surgery " they deflated my left lung .poked a few holes. and bolted in some hardware........ been awesome ever since.... (its amazing what they can do through a few holes.......
still ride. broke a femur a few years later......(that sort of sucked , broke the neck off the end where it fits into hip) .then i broke my arm a few years later above the elbow.(no hardware....sucked.untill that one healed)

all i know...the older you get.......more it hurts when you slam the ground <img class= " title="Smile"> dirt naps suck

here is a back hardware photo.(its upside down)

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2/5/2008 9:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:08pm
[quote="Flmxer":2npfr3ts]... I was misdiagnosed at the start and hurt worse during physical therapy most likely.[/quote:2npfr3ts]

You should go to France and see DV12's dr.

After hanging around a few of the more-well-known SCI injured riders, the R2R people, and doing some note-taking, I would say for sure......

Bad advice and bad test readings are very common, and advice is often very pessimistic and wrong. Only you can know for sure, so keep looking and don't listen to the first thing someone says. DV doesn't listen to the drs here for a good reason.

BTW, I think Jeff Alessi may have a vertebrae replaced, not sure.

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