Do GP riders expect to lose at Glen Helen like their fans think ?

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For a bunch of people who think GP's are the best they sure backed off fast when this GP was announced.
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THE mx addict 4/6/2010 10:37am
4/6/2010 10:37am
On US soil, GP riders will have no chance to win. Against the big names of the US scene, I mean ...
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jamma10 4/6/2010 10:40am
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Im sure they're just as realistic as we are, but they will also be up for the challenge.
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GuyB 4/6/2010 10:49am
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One thing I can say for sure...the GP guys are not scared of fast.
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jaeckle 4/6/2010 11:02am
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I think it is the same thought process for the USA riders. Yet to hear of a single AMA rider who thinks they can win the USGP and earn the respect of the world wide mx audience. Someone will step up and announce their participation. At least then we will have a bench mark of the talent/speed difference between the two series. Glen Helen is actually more GP than any other US track. Wicked fast, major elevation changes, ungroomed, rough and rutted. Can't wait for the race!

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jaeckle 4/6/2010 11:03am
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Who and when was the last AMA mx rider to win a GP overall on non US soil?
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Donny Schimdt (RIP) 94 GP season
THE mx addict 4/6/2010 11:09am
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jaeckle wrote:
Who and when was the last AMA mx rider to win a GP overall on non US soil?
Osborne last year in Turkey (MX2).
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Bigfoot 4/6/2010 11:09am
4/6/2010 11:09am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:56pm
Could the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Probably.


WILL the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Hard to say. Someone who's in the points standings may back off and take the points. Why get into a potentially dangerous battle with someone who won't be doing the rest of the rounds?


But overall I think that the US fans are going to be surprised to see the speed of the Euros, US-soil or not.
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joe101uk 4/6/2010 11:37am
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500guy wrote:
For a bunch of people who think GP's are the best they sure backed off fast when this GP was announced.
We'll see how many AMA riders think they have the minerals before we start this talk.

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i didn't know this was a team race, 500 Guy.
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joe101uk 4/6/2010 11:46am
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Bigfoot wrote:
Could the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Probably. WILL the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Hard...
Could the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Probably.


WILL the top GP riders go head-to-head with the top US riders? Hard to say. Someone who's in the points standings may back off and take the points. Why get into a potentially dangerous battle with someone who won't be doing the rest of the rounds?


But overall I think that the US fans are going to be surprised to see the speed of the Euros, US-soil or not.
Desalle used his own money to go and race Washougal last year and he was in a battle for third place in the championship so using an excuse like " I'm in the points lead after 1 round so i won't be racing the USGP " just seems silly.
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MXR 4/6/2010 12:02pm
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GuyB wrote:
One thing I can say for sure...the GP guys are not scared of fast.
What about scary fast ?
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I'm most scared, the gp-riders get ill from the American food. It wouldn't be the first ... . It happend a lot before.
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I'd like to see some of our riders line up. How does it all work with the FIM and all? Would the US teams need to spend a lot of money in order to race or would it just be like an extra round of the Nationals for them?
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IceMan446 4/6/2010 12:17pm
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Why? Motocross is motocross, doesn't matter the track or the country it is the same every where. You get on your dirtbike and try to be the fastest on the track, simple as that. I am tired of these damn different country, different time zone, american style track/euro style track BS excuses. The fastest guy will more then likely win. No excuses about what damn country or what style track it is.
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IceMan446 4/6/2010 12:21pm
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Jef wrote:
I'm most scared, the gp-riders get ill from the American food. It wouldn't be the first ... . It happend a lot before.
Another BS excuse. You act like they can't find a place to eat that's close to what they eat over there. And all of the GP guys travel to different countries every year so they should be used to eating different foods from different countries, nothing new.
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IceMan446 4/6/2010 12:51pm
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Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
THE mx addict 4/6/2010 12:59pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps...
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
GH is nothing but US rider's practice track ...

And you call it a "normal" track ???

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IceMan446 4/6/2010 1:07pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps...
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
THE mx addict wrote:
GH is nothing but US rider's practice track ...

And you call it a "normal" track ???

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Its still a mx track and as far as I know everyone that will be racing there races mx. My point is, it doesn't matter who rides where or how many times a year they ride the track. The fastest guy will win euro or american, no excuse. Same goes for the MXoN, none of this its on US soil so they have an advantage which is a lame excuse.
THE mx addict 4/6/2010 1:10pm
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Just remember 2007 MXoN in Budds Creek.
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Jef 4/6/2010 1:20pm
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I really don't know. Actually I really don't care. We all have to wait a couple off weeks. There's nobody who knows who or what?
I'm not in that usa vs euro stuff at all.

But i'm pretty sure we all are going to see a beautifull mx race, with no doubt .... a winner!!!!
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zooyork 4/6/2010 1:22pm
4/6/2010 1:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:56pm
Yeah blah blah, here we go again!


Besides the big hitters Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey I do not see which American racer has more speed than the top Euro boys. Anyway, I hope they all decide to race and then we will now what it looks like.


Besides if we decide motocross world order on one race: I would say Herlings should have won the lites supercross crown this year as Weimer couldn't catch Herlings in his qualifying heat in Franciacorta last year haha. See how dumb it is to compare both series on incidental races as the real truth would only be known if there was only one series with all the best riders in it duking it out for a season.


Just enjoy the show and hope for the best racing possible.


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IceMan446 wrote:
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps...
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
It isnt JUST Motocross at this level. As Lo2Rider says these races are often won and lost on small margins and years of experience of riding Glen Helen along with pages of data on engine and suspension settings are bound to give US based riders a competitive edge. Its not an excuse, its just fact. The same as GP teams would have an advantage at Lommel for example.
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IceMan446 wrote:
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps...
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
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It isnt JUST Motocross at this level. As Lo2Rider says these races are often won and lost on small margins and years of experience of riding...
It isnt JUST Motocross at this level. As Lo2Rider says these races are often won and lost on small margins and years of experience of riding Glen Helen along with pages of data on engine and suspension settings are bound to give US based riders a competitive edge. Its not an excuse, its just fact. The same as GP teams would have an advantage at Lommel for example.
Well, except for Vromans, it sure did'nt look that way at the 1981 MXDN !

Just sayin'.
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SH_105 4/6/2010 1:50pm
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MxAddict, if you knew anything about GH then you would understand that when its race time versus practice that track is undeniably different... No way shape or form is that track near the same from when we practice there to when they hold the National or in your case the GP!! That place is dry hard and dusty on practice days, race days its deep rutted and beat up from the feet up!!


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500guy 4/6/2010 1:53pm
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SH_105 wrote:
MxAddict, if you knew anything about GH then you would understand that when its race time versus practice that track is undeniably different... No way shape...
MxAddict, if you knew anything about GH then you would understand that when its race time versus practice that track is undeniably different... No way shape or form is that track near the same from when we practice there to when they hold the National or in your case the GP!! That place is dry hard and dusty on practice days, race days its deep rutted and beat up from the feet up!!


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You left out Flat on Practice and extremely steep for the race too
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jamma10 4/6/2010 1:58pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps...
Its a normal mx track, not a sand track or a mudder of a race and there will be changes made. I am sure the jumps will be made a little smaller for this event. But the MXoN with bubba and everts had some big jumps and was fast so its nothing they aren't used to.
jamma10 wrote:
It isnt JUST Motocross at this level. As Lo2Rider says these races are often won and lost on small margins and years of experience of riding...
It isnt JUST Motocross at this level. As Lo2Rider says these races are often won and lost on small margins and years of experience of riding Glen Helen along with pages of data on engine and suspension settings are bound to give US based riders a competitive edge. Its not an excuse, its just fact. The same as GP teams would have an advantage at Lommel for example.
Xavier wrote:
Well, except for Vromans, it sure did'nt look that way at the 1981 MXDN !

Just sayin'.
But back then it was closer to Motocross in its purist form.

Im pretty sure they didn't have fuel injection or $30,000+ suspension set ups in 1981 did they? Smile
THE mx addict 4/6/2010 1:59pm
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SH_105 wrote:
MxAddict, if you knew anything about GH then you would understand that when its race time versus practice that track is undeniably different... No way shape...
MxAddict, if you knew anything about GH then you would understand that when its race time versus practice that track is undeniably different... No way shape or form is that track near the same from when we practice there to when they hold the National or in your case the GP!! That place is dry hard and dusty on practice days, race days its deep rutted and beat up from the feet up!!


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OK, but ...

US riders know GH track (practice or race) and GPs riders don't.

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FastEddy 4/6/2010 2:03pm
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Will we see a Tony vs James battle? Smile
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FastEddy wrote:
Will we see a Tony vs James battle? Smile
Tony Cairoli or Tony Alessi ?

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