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Enough said.
Would you say that of a Doug Henry, for instance ?
Yet Pourcel's come back is every bit as awe-inspiring as Doug's were (in MX), and probably some more.
And Doug is a Legend, obviously.
Don't use a double standard because Christophe is French, that's disrespectful of what he has accomplished ; did you see the rehab video of him in that pool, skinnier than a top-model and unable to walk at the time ?
He still won more motos than Dungey last year, i.e 16 months later (and yes, Dungey is great and was the better man last year as he was crowned champion). You and I do not know what exactly happened in the Southwick moto 2. Pourcel does not say much about his weaknesses and that has to be respected too.
No I wouldnt say that about Henry, Henry never gave up like Pourcels did.
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It was all CP's doing.
With that said, CP was untouchable at unadilla. That was an old fashion whoopin and was very impressive.
That coming from a guy who has been around like you?
DV12 did.
Dungey actually didn't win the tittle CP gave it to him according to him. I feel Dungey won it straight up, but it seems DV and other overseas feel that Dungey should just give that title to CP.
Being the fastest doesn't always win you championships.
Would you rather win the battle or the war?
If it wasn't a team sport we'd send all the riders out and have them do everything by themselves.
Wrench the bike and ride.
Pourcels was faster, but faster doesn't always get you that championship bonus at the end of the day. What would you rather have Dungeys bonus check at the end of the year or CP's?
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If he didnt give up, then he floundered in 11 and Dungey being faster won the title that day.
Yes I do call him a quitter in that race.
Ready for a History lesson ?
- 1991;
- Important fact : the 250 Outdoor Nationals overlaps the SX championship for the first 3 races;
- Bayle's #1 goal is (openly) to get the SX title, a championship which he is controling when the Nationals start;
- Rd 1 Gainesville : JMB 1/2 ; Stanton 2/1; equal points, Jeff gets the overall;
- Rd 2 Hangtown : big storm, Dowd wins, JMB 2nd, other main factory guys DNF, second moto is cancelled, Bayle has a 22-point lead on Stanton;
- Rd 3 Mount Morris : last National before JMB becomes SX champ; he takes it way easy and gets 3/4; Stanton 2/1, wins; Bayle's lead is still 13 points;
- Rd 4 Buchanan : Bayle, now SX champ, is on a strong position to control the outdoors; he does 2/2, Stanton 1/3, Bradshaw 3/1, wins; Bayle's lead = 12 points;
- Rd 5 Axton : Bayle 1/3, Stanton 2/1, wins; points difference = 10;
- Rd 6 Troy : Bayle and Stanton both crash in moto 1 and Stanton again in the all-important moto 2 (his last big chance to stay in the run for the championship); JMB 5/1, Stanton 6/DNF; Chicken wins with 2/2; points difference = 36;
- Final Rd Southwick : Bayle needs to do 6th or better to clinch the title; he finishes 4th, clinches and still finishes 2nd in moto 2; Stanton 1/1, wins;
- Final standings : Bayle 277 points, Stanton 251 points (more than one moto difference) after 13 motos;
- Bayle won 3 out of those 13 motos; his worst results were one 5th and two 4th, otherwise, he podiumed every moto;
- Stanton won 6 motos, he finished only once out of the podium (6th) but had 2 DNF's (drowned an engine once and crashed once).
Recap : while playing it safe during almost half the 250 Outdoors seasons, Bayle found himself with a precious lead after he outsmarted the other Factory guys at Round 2 (Hangtown) by riding "enduro-style" thru the "river" that had developped on the track.
All he had to do, then, was to control the championship, race after race, instead of trying to win motos or finish ahead of Stanton; he actually clinched the title with one moto to go.
Back to your post :
1) Your facts are wrong : JMB DID win motos, just no OVERALLS.
Jeff may have been the faster rider but he finished ahead of JMB only 7 times, when Bayle finished ahead of him 5 times (not that big a difference).
2) Comparision with the CP/Dungey '09 championship is a stretch, for these reasons :
- Dungey won 7 motos and finished ahead of Pourcel on three more occasions (total 10 times), including Pourcel's mechanical DNF;
- Pourcel won 14 motos (twice as many) and finished ahead of Dungey on one other occasion (total 15 times);
- More importantly, while Bayle was controling the championship from the beginning, Ryan (who was trailing Christophe in the standings) HAD to try to beat CP at each round until round 21 (Pourcel's DNF@Southwick) and managed to do it 8 times, finishing behind CP 12 times; the final points difference is 11 (less than one moto difference), after 24 motos, and the title was decided only at the final moto.
You may also note than in the 500 Outdoor championship, Bayle won 7 motos out of 12 and finished ahead of Stanton at all but 3 motos (including the final one, while he had just clinched the championship) and Jeff actually did'nt win a single moto (nor an overall) in that championship.
Needless to say, Bayle won 8 SX races to Jeff's 3.
Conclusion : as far as who the "faster" rider was :
- in 1991, between Bayle and Stanton, the stats are overwhelming and point to Bayle, who happened to also be (triple) champion;
- in 2009, especially if you add the East-West SX shootout (which he won), Pourcel was probably "faster" than Dungey too, but got beat, when everything was done and said.
So, my opinion is that Bayle was the legitimate 1991 250 Outdoor National Champ, and so was Dungey last year.
Because it's not about pure speed, it's about winning a championship and putting your name on the record books.
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